Remember me?
I was the self-described, far Left Wing, bleeding heart, radical, socialist Liberal progressive.
A strange thing has happened to me. I have become “grown-up” in my political views and understandings. I find that I am more moderate than I would ever have expected, or maybe it is “reality based.” I am still apparently on the far reaches of the Left on social issues than most, but I am down right conservative or moderate on most issues. . .please take “moderate or conservative” in their true definitions and not the Far Right’s misapplied and ridiculous meanings.
What am I talking about? Well, let’s look at war. I am not for war ever. Peace is never won through war. I am not against defending ourselves when defense is called for, but I will never be FOR war. I am very much a conservative when it comes to how we spend the Tax Dollars and balancing budgets. We need lots of oversight where money and spending is concerned. OTH I am very much for a distribution of Taxes in a more equitable way. For instance, 5% of what a poor person has as income is far more painful for them to pay than the small percentages the ubber wealthy pay. However, I am for economic leveling of the playing field in a responsible way. More incentives, more helping hand policies, but no Handouts for able bodies; give them help up with a living wage and opportunities for training so they can really support themselves and their families. I am for EVERYONE having a place to live, not be dumped out onto the streets. No one can really live on the streets and in homeless shelters. Where people need help we should help them, but that does not mean unending handouts. There are some really reasonable ways this can be done. Also, END EARMARKS FOREVER. We can do better than throwing $47.8 Billion dollars away on mostly nonsense “vote buying.” There are thousands of inventive, creative ways we can help communities, earmarks is not the way.
Here’s my most radical “moderate” view: Take politics out of doing the people’s business. There are NO Republican issues and NO Democrat’s issues, there are only the People’s issues. Democracies are supposed to reflect the majority’s views. Yes that means that some on the outlying edges of any particular issue will be disappointed. Which means I will, for the most part, be wanting more on social issues than will be agreed upon by the majority. We change by taking one step at a time. It has traditionally been painfully slow to make changes in people’s thinking, but if we don’t take the steps, always heading in the direction of progress, we will never get there. I think it will come much more quickly now that we are able to implement change. The atmosphere of the planet and the people everywhere is changing, we should be willing to be the leaders in that change.
No matter how much I would like to have my way on many things, what I know is that dealing with others, in any relationship of any kind, requires compromise. By that I mean “reasonable” compromise, and I am aware that many of us will disagree on what “reasonable” means. Some things cannot be compromised on because they are so inherently the “right way” to go, ie. . .civil liberties, equality in opportunities, adherence to the constitution, etc. It was a long and difficult process for me to learn the art of compromise. It came during my over 20 years of active participation in Unions as an Advocate and local, state and regional Union officer for Postal Workers. It was tough, but I learned. Being right about any particular issue does not necessarily mean that you cannot or will not compromise, depending upon what the compromise is.
Those of us who have lived for 12 years with the outrages we have felt at how “OUR business” has been run by the politicians in Congress and the Senate often feel this is a time of “pay back” and retribution. That is not a mature, reasoned and productive thought process. (And I am absolutely for accountability for everyone in every office everywhere) There has to be some listening on both sides, some reasonable compromises that will allow supposedly mature, thoughtful lawmakers to work together instead of constantly fighting with each other. Attempting to divide this nation through slimy, deceitful, partisan bickering is the worst possible way to bring about a consensus on anything. We have many, one could say a majority, in this country who want this juvenile behavior to stop. We should honor that.
None of this means that we should not go forward with the issues we feel are vitally important. This does not mean we should not call bullshit wherever we see it or hear it. We must be vigilant! But it is quite important that our elected representatives do so with a moderate tone of reconciliation and the importance of doing the People’s Business. I would like to hear the new majority remind their fellow congress persons and senators that the people have a right to expect them to work out the issues THEY (the people) feel are of importance to them.
If we act just like the Republicans have acted these past 12 years, then we are no better than they have been and the American People will hand us our hats in 2 years time.
I feel we must hold ALL of the representatives of the people accountable. And I sure as heck don’t care what party they are in. Those of us who have held and do hold strong political views that align us with one party or another really need to stop and take a breath and realize that the VAST MAJORITY of our fellow citizens do not consider themselves easily described by one party or the other. Most Americans see themselves as INDEPENDENT from party affiliation. There are no “Democrats for Reagan” there are no Republicans for Barak Obama (or fill in your favorite), there are only Americans that want you to do the best things for ALL of the Americans. People will support the candidate that can best present their views to them. . .people are NOT members of political parties, and that is the vast majority of people. People are hungry for representatives that will listen to them and then will actually represent them.
So, as we enjoy our feelings of elation over finally being able to speak, or at least our representatives have an opportunity to speak and offer oversight, I hope we will consider that we are a part of an amazing Republic that offers us the chance to experience a real democracy. That means compromise on my part, and on many other’s part. We need to stop yelling at each other and engage in reasoned conversations. We need to support and honor the 1st amendment right of free speech that we so often rage about. That means differing views do not mean that the person we disagree with is an idiot, or not entitled to offer their opinion. It is a discussion, not a yelling match that will move us in the direction we most wish to go.
These are just my post-election thoughts. You may find them totally out of sync with your own views, and I honor that. There are many ways we can find an acceptable common ground on many issues. . .if we work at it.
Hugs
Shirl
How could I forget your welcome to bmt and your wonderful diaries?
Please, dear heart, beware of compromise. I’ve found that it’s a poor substitute for collaboration and often leads one party or the other to feel cheated. It’s OK to be gracious to those we disagee with but the world needs us in all our radical glory to play the part we’re meant to.
I understand your caution, and I wish I had presented my own more clearly. I am hoping for a moderation of the way we present some things. I am not looking for caving in.
Thanks and hugs,
Shirl
Of course I remember you. So nice to see you.
It is always nice to see you Omir. . .I have a special soft spot for Storytellers.
Hugs
Shirl
Welcome back! So glad to see (well, read) you again!
Thanks mlr701. . .I think pretty much to read me is to see me. . .[grins]
Hugs
Shirl
Hi Shirl. It’s always a pleasure to see and read you.
Thank you and that couldn’t be more reciprocol.
Hugs guy,
Shirl
And what, prey tell, is the matter with those sentiments? Seriously, its good to have you here š
Thanks for the chuckle. Nothing at all wrong with those sentiments and on many, many issues I am still all of those things. It is just that I surprised myself to see that on many other issues I am quite moderate. Perhaps I always was and I just didn’t consider it as such.
It is good to be here.
Hugs,
Shirl
or “moderation in all things,” that is found in the Nicomachean Ethics seems to be your position — the middle ground between excess and deficiency.
It does not mean (yet is frequently misinterpreted and misunderstood to mean) that a person can take all things (particularly in re health) with moderation; therefore reasoning that a moderate amount of a bad thing can be indulged. Wrong!
Instead, we should understand, for example, that in the face of danger, courage is the happy median between the excess of foolhardiness and the deficiency of cowardice.
So, in our approach to social issues, legal, and moral ones, we should take the courageous, step, action, or position, but never either extreme.
Caveat: Sometimes only a person with a bleeding heart has sufficient courage to do what the rest of us shy away from doing. And in times when governments adhere to wretched excesses of corruption and imperialism, the courageous position is misrepresented by that government and painted as the radical one. Always remember this, that in a democracy we must never make the mistake of accepting even a moderate amount of bad governance.
Brava! Thank you for your remarks. I am hardly one that many would think of as moderate in all things. What I didn’t say very well and what I really was trying to say is that it is more a moderation of “tone”, a moderation of presentation, a feeling, an atmosphere conducive to more accomplishment that favors average citizens and less ranchor. I am not suggesting endless patience. I am suggesting offering a hand, but if it is slapped or spit upon, then patience ends.
On the other hand, no one is more rabidly opposed to the hubrus and excessiveness of harm that has been done to our nation and our citizens during this administration. I am a “screaming radical” on social issues and those things that lift up our citizens, issues of equalitly and the common good.
And I agree wholeheartedly, there is no moderation ever for any amount of bad governance from either side.
Thanks limelite, big hugs,
Shirl
Being “moderate” in the Aristotelian world view doesn’t equate with always being accommodating and certainly never equates with ever being appeasing.
Even Aristotle agrees that being a “screaming liberal” when the occasion demands is probably the moderate expression of courage. Cindy Sheehan comes to mind as an example of a person demonized/radicalized by the right-wing for her simple courage in the face of a tyrannical bully. Confidence in the face of fear is courage.
I flatter myself in thinking that I understood exactly what you meant and that’s why I wrote the shirlstars-inspired Let Us All Be “Aristotelian Moderate” Democrats.
You are memorable. Always, Shirl. I marked your name the first diary of yours I read in the wayback, long before I ever made any comment.
I hear what you are saying, and it reminds me of Paul Wellstone’s change when he went to the Senate. Goals didn’t change, principles didn’t change. However, he learned to work with people on specific issues where there was agreement, who had many many issues with which he could never agree. They (those other folks) became highly respectful of his principles and he accomplished a lot. I do not think he was corrupted by them – nor do I think you will ever be.
Wow!
That is very high praise. Thank you. Never would have imagined being referenced in any way in a comment that also mentions Paul Wellstone.
In my view, without integrity, who are you? What are you worth? To me it seems very little.
Thank you very much for your comment.
Big hugs, Kidspeak. . .you’ve always been a favorite of mine.
Shirl
I’m in the same boat…extremely liberal on social issues (I don’t want the government in either my bedroom, my church, or my gynecologist’s office, thank you very much), but a moderate on fiscal issues,meaning I don’t mind spending money as long as it’s spent properly — no money for “poverty pimps” and crap that doesn’t work. Having processed GSA contract orders for a medium sized company, and later when I briefly worked in Accounts Receivable and had to collect on those damn bills, I know how much waste goes on in government, especially around budget time when the “use it or lose it” mentality comes into play. And it seemed like some offices changed their color schemes every other year… sigh Oversight is crucial, and I hope that’s one thing that comes out of Congress now that we’re starting to see at least the beginnings of a return to sanity, or as Keith Olbermann puts it, the grown-ups are back in charge. š
Way back in my youth, I probably could’ve been your standard garden-variety moderate Republican; back then they didn’t care what consenting adults did in the privacy of their homes as long as they didn’t spend taxpayers’ money doing it. š But that Republican party died a while ago…whether the moderates who remain can resurrect a semblance of it remains to be seen.
Maybe someday we’ll return to the days when “Republican”, “wingnut”, and “asshole” are not mutually interchangeable terms…
Hi Cali, and thanks for the “mom,” it always gives me a smile and a chuckle.
Sounds as if you and I are on the same page, as usual.
Yes, sanity will return someday. Let it be soon.
Big hugs,
Shirl
with that voice of reason and reality. Damn I love you Shirls. I know I need to take a step back for awhile now that this election is over. Regroup so I can be ready for the work we have ahead of us. I so am trying to tone it down a knotch.
Thank you for this most thoughtful diary. Seems you found the words again. Makes me very happy!
I have often thought about the fact that some moderation inevitably comes with increased responsibility.
I well remember the “aha moment” I had in my professional life when, after over 20 years of being a staff person in a non-profit, I became a director. In one small moment, I went from seeing things only through my eyes, to all of the sudden seeing the big picture through the eyes of ALL the staff as well as the clients, funders, board and community. I saw how small all of my previous criticisms had been in the past of those who had been in leadership. While I’m still able to fight battles when its necessary, I have to do so recognizing the big picture of everyone involved.
I know I still have a long way to go in learning this, but do try to keep it in mind when the impulse to criticize leadership builds up.
Sorry, this was meant to be a general comment to Shirls diary. Hit the wrong button by mistake.
Isn’t it so, NL. It seems anytime we take a step out into a different direction, no matter how slight, our perspective changes because it must.
Everything here is a learning process, some things seem to be accomplished more easily than others. I applaud you for your reasoned remarks and the truths contained within them.
Thanks and Hugs,
Shirl
Hi Aloha (is that redundant?)
Good to see you here and I hope you are feeling fit and healthy. Thank you for your comments, and the love between us is very mutual.
Taking a step back seems to be a very important part of the process. . .I have to remind myself as well.
Miss you and Big hugs,
Shirl
Back in the days when I was still in search of a “church home” (long since abandoned!), I paused a bit amidst some folks of the Spiritualist Faith. They have a saying porminantly shared that I hung onto when I moved on. It’s simply:
“In all things, keep an even mind.”
More than once (usually when I am again fighting my way back from one extreme position oror another), I am reminded of the plain and simple wisdom in these words.
Great diary, Shirl, and it’s high time we heard from you, woman!
Thanks sister Scribe,
I wish I could always exercise such wisdom. It seems I am usually flying off to some extreme or other myself. As with everything, it is a process. . .and it is ongoing.
Well, now that you’ve heard from me be warned, you know how blabby I am.
Loves and hugs,
Shirl
Beautifully said, Shirl.
Frankly, I’d like to see this diary front-paged in every newspaper in the nation, given headline status on every news report. Why? Most importantly, to me (aside of our agreements), is that you’re engaging us respectfully, intelligently & eloquently — & it appears to me that these stellar qualities have been removed by force from our public discourse. Said discourse has apparently been reduced (for the most part, with definite exceptions) to the communicative level of an overhyped pubescent with a 4th grade education & a loaded rifle.
Personally, of course, it’s impossible to forget you & the warm invitation you extended to me from the rippling eddies of our lovely pond!
Thanks again, dear.
It occurs to me that I could actually live under the conditions you describe — rather than merely surviving against the odds (& the wishes of many).
Thank you so much WW. . .you make me blush and do the “aw shucks” thing. I remember you from the great influx when we first met and I have enjoyed seeing your wonderful addition to the BMT and always read you when I see you.
Talk about memorable. . .as I told you way back then, to see “wilderness” and “wench” together is a special delight for me. It was instant love. And your wisdom and input has been much appreciated by many here.
Keep up the good work.
Hugs,
Shirl
Being on the far reaches of the Left in the US political landscape makes you a centrist in the French one ;-)!
Nice to read you!
(French) Hugs
Ah to be in France and conservative, I doubt I could control myself. . .a new dimension would certainly come to the fore. ba ba ba baby, you ain’t seen nothin yet.
Good to see you again, mes amie (can’t spell in French either LOL). I don’t visit over at EBT nearly enough.
Big Shirl Hugs,
Shirl
And with such a fine diary.
Thanks so much Tarheel. Even when I am not here I’m here, it only seems like I’m not. . .
Hugs
Shirl
I am sorry I’ve been so slow in responding. . .it has been one of those ultra busy days, and I don’t know how that happened, but the details are not that interesting.
Thank you all for your kind words and your participation it has been soooooooooo good to touch thoughts with each of you.
You are loved and apreciated far more than you can imagine.
Giant, warm, lingering hugs to all.
Shirl
I have a vague recollection of flying…over a western prairie, forests and rivers, finally coming to rest at a campfire and sharing a cup of coffee with a good friend…maybe it was the last time I ate York Peppermint Pattie! LOL
Yes, I remember you :o)
Moderation, hmmm…
I think that respect and the treatment that naturally goes along with it are earned. I’m not inclined to reward criminal behavior or the support of it with niceties. Not to say that’s exactly what you mean, but I believe that these extraordinary times call for extraordinarily tough and blunt actions. It doesn’t mean that we lose our own respectful ways, or drag the rest of the country into an unecesarry knockdown dragout fight. It just means to me that there needs to be a quiet, unrelenting, and blunt push to drive out the vermin infesting our national body. Straight talk isn’t always moderate. Nor does it need to be. The same with the truth. It’s bound to rile quite a few people in this country. Not least of which will be the media.
Other than that, you and I are on parallel wavelengths :o)
Hi dear heart. Yep I remember too and isn’t it about time for another campfire and cup of coffee?
I could not agree with you more. And you stated very well what I hoped to convey. Yes, I want the criminals investigated, thrown out and jailed. I want as many wrongs righted as we can possibly can. Everyone responsible for the horrible mess our country is in must be made to accept the consequences of their actions. I don’t mean we should not be tough and relentless. I just would like us to do it at normal decibles. In my small and large victories with Postal management, and in the face of incredible arrogance, nastiness and smugness, I had some times of being unrelenting and unyieldingly tough on certain issues, but I never had to yell or call them names (I saved that for outside in my car).
One PostMaster from a small town south of me threw me out of his post office. I just smiled and told him he had just lost his chance to solve the problem and save his own ass. The next day he had high level management from Boise (other side of the state and the Big bosses for Idaho) calling me to ask me to please come back for a chat. I said not a chance. I next saw him in a NLRB (national labor relations board) hearing. He paid big time for his stupidity. Magically he retired a few months later.
So I am not for letting up or letting people walk all over us and I am not for covering up anything. It would just be nice if we could stop yelling and name calling in our relentless cleanup efforts. I adopted a tactic of lowering my voice the more angry I got. It really pisses your oposition off as they have to pay more attention and lean towards you to hear what you are saying. I would always let them rant and rave and holler as long as they wanted. Only when they shut up did I say my piece. I never responded to insults with other than a reference to my not appreciating such words of a personal nature and stating it served no purpose in helping us solve the problem at hand.
So I am not in opposition to what you have said here at all.
Smooches and Hugs,
Shirl