Geez. I take a few hours off to watch (again) Dr. Strangelove: Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb and I find out that in my absence both Chris Bowers and Markos have unilaterallly disarmed. No to impeachment, they say…wouldn’t be prudent.
I’m going tell you right now that Chris Bowers has taken leave of his senses. To give you an example here is some of his reasoning:
Even if we had the votes for conviction, that means we would almost certainly have a veto proof congressional majority on the following policy areas: universal health care, revoking authorization to conduct the war, public financing of campaigns, renegotiating all of our trade agreements for better standards, passing complete energy independence legislation, and on and on and on. Now you tell me, if we had the ability to do all of these things, where would impeachment rank on the list of legislation that would actually help Americans? This is more or less exactly the response progressive caucus member Chaka Fattah gave to my ward when he spoke to us in October. Even if we had the votes to pursue this path, it would be better and far more important to pursue legislation that would actually help people.
This is probably the most fallacious argument I have ever seen Chris Bowers make. It’s truly awful. For example, faced with rock solid evidence that the controversial NSA programs, that were presented to Congress as merely warrantless wiretapping of suspected terrorists’ phone calls into the United States, were in fact much broader and included surveillance of reporters or political dissidents…do you really think that we couldn’t find 18 Republican Senators that would consider convicting and removing the President? But, under those same circumstances, do you think we would therefore ‘almost certainly have a veto proof congressional majority on the following policy areas: universal health care, revoking authorization to conduct the war, public financing of campaigns, renegotiating all of our trade agreements for better standards, passing complete energy independence legislation’?
That doesn’t make any sense. It’s a totally incoherent argument based on an wholly invalid premise.
In fact, the only premise Chris makes which is valid is the following:
Congress should not start investigations already knowing how it wants the investigations to end. That is what Republicans did back when they retook Congress in 1994… We won’t be like them.
That’s right, we won’t be like them. We will have investigations (hopefully, if Congress doesn’t take the wrong lesson from Chris and Kos’s preemptive disarmament) and then we see where the evidence leads us. We will see what was going on with Dick Cheney’s energy task force, we will see what we can find out about the authorization of torture, we will look into Douglas Feith’s Office of Special Plans, we will get access to the NSA programs, we will look into the Pentagon’s spying on Quaker peace activists, we’ll…ah hell, let’s just take from the incoming chairman of the House Judiciary Committee’s The Constitution in Crisis; The Downing Street Minutes and Deception, Manipulation, Torture, Retribution, and Coverups in the Iraq War:
In brief, we have found that there is substantial evidence the President, the
Vice President and other high ranking members of the Bush Administration misled
Congress and the American people regarding the decision to go to war with Iraq;
misstated and manipulated intelligence information regarding the justification for
such war; countenanced torture and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment and
other legal violations in Iraq; and permitted inappropriate retaliation against critics of
their Administration.There is a prima facie case that these actions by the President, Vice-President
and other members of the Bush Administration violated a number of federal laws,
including (1) Committing a Fraud against the United States; (2) Making False
Statements to Congress; (3) The War Powers Resolution; (4) Misuse of Government
Funds; (5) federal laws and international treaties prohibiting torture and cruel,
inhuman, and degrading treatment; (6) federal laws concerning retaliating against
witnesses and other individuals; and (7) federal laws and regulations concerning
leaking and other misuse of intelligence.
And that is just the definitional stuff. You know the stuff that one side can say is a war crime and the other can say is no worse than fraternity hazing or minor arson. Where the rubber meets the road is in perjury and obstruction of justice, or in the administration refusing to provide evidence in defiance of Congressional AND Judicial subpoenas. When that shit starts happening, then you have a constitutional crisis even Jim Inhofe would have a hard time attributing to ‘mass delusion’.
Bowers goes on to cite poll numbers. Here’s some poll numbers for Chris:
Nixon 60.7%, 520 Electoral Votes
McGovern 37.5%, 17 Electoral Votes.
Jerome a Paris made the point rather succinctly:
…you think the world is not watching?
So Democrats also think it’s okay to go invade another country, to get several hundred thousand of its inhabitants killed, to proudly practice and promote torture around the world, to tear up the Geneva Conventions and a whole load of international treaties, and to go grab random foreigners around the world to put them in Guantanamo and throw away the key?
No, we don’t think it is okay. Chris Bowers definitely doesn’t think it is okay. Markos doesn’t think it is okay. I sure as hell know that Pelosi, Conyers, and Waxman don’t think it is okay. It’s just that some people don’t want to do a damn bit about it because it is divisive, or there isn’t enough time, or because they erroneously think that the Republicans will not gladly throw both Bush and Cheney under the bus (and distance themselve from the Mess o’ potamia) if they are faced with extensive evidence of malfeasance, perjury, obstruction of justice, official corruption, and contempt of Congress.
I love Chris but he’s just wrong on this one.
Damn you have a good mind, BooMan. You make me proud to be a BooTribber. I couldn’t agree with you more.
YES. All those things are important – healthcare, etc. But YES – if we don’t prove we’re a country where laws matter, we’ll have lost so much face in the world no one will care what we think or say or do. No one will want to do business with us.
DC is so out of touch with mainstream America. We want to see investigations, punishments as appropriate, including, if warranted, impeachment.
This is about taking a moral stand. If presidents learn to respect the laws and fear the people more than lobbyists, it will be a walk in the park, in comparison, to get universal healthcare.
But if we don’t take a stand now, we’re really condoning everything that Bush has done. I can’t do that. I won’t do that. I’d sacrifice my own health security if it would restore the image of our country abroad. Seriously. That’s MY priority.
But then, that’s why I’m a Democrat. I think beyond my own doorstep. I’m really disappointed that Markos and Chris don’t understand the need for moral authority. Without that, we really have no government at all.
Big hug to you, BooMan. Dang, you’re a good man.
IIRC, the House did plenty of other stuff while the Judiciary Committee spent its time looking into that “third-rate burglary” that occurred at the Watergate Hotel (and led to us being eternally subjected to the “gate” suffix).
Sure, we can work on health care, and the minimum wage, and getting rid of the most odious aspects of the Military Commissions Act, but it doesn’t mean that Conyers and Waxman and all the other pertinent committees can’t do their “herd werk” and expose the depths of the Republican culture of corruption and cronyism…as well as setting up some oversight so future corrupt politicians of any and all parties can’t get away with it in the future…
Bottom line BooMan?
Ya got integrity. And that’s about all that we have left. Some semblance of integity. What are we gonna do with the little bit we have left? I’m with you…take it to em, on the merits. Prevail or fail. Take your stand.
I don’t agree with Markos’ reasoning, or most of Chris’ reasoning, but it’s clear that we don’t have the votes. Where the hell are we going to find 16 Republican senators who will throw Bush under the bus? There aren’t that many ‘moderates’ in the Senate who are part of the GOP.
From a practical standpoint, impeachment shouldn’t be done right now. The Nixon impeachment hearings didn’t begin because there was ever a pre-stated goal of impeaching the man. It began because of the oversight hearings. So let the hearings take place and see where it goes from there.
Do the hearings and let the chips fall where they may. If there’s a case, there will be 16 republicans who see impeachment as their ticket to reelection because the people will be clamoring for it.
Don’t preemptively give up when the people KNOW they’ve been lied to. Remember – it was Republicans who helped impeach Nixon (or would have, had he not resigned to avoid it.)
That’s my point – let the investigations go where they may…and if a ‘smoking gun’ such as the Nixon tapes turn up, public opinion will turn quickly.
We’re in agreement here…I believe impeachment should be ruled out as a standalone action, but should instead be a result of anything that investigations turn up.
Well, the NSA taps are already a smoking gun, as is the Downing Street memo. I don’t see a lack of solid evidence. This could happen quickly, if there was some political backbone in DC.
The problem is those issues came and went. There needs to be more hard evidence. The thing about the Nixon tapes is that the average person clearly got what was happening. Something like that needs to come to light.
That’s completely WRONG!!!!!!
You don’t need “new” evidence. This isn’t a fucking news cycle! Sorry to swear, but that kind of thinking is inane, but sadly, quite pervasive.
NO. One does not need NEW crimes to prosecute when the old ones are so fricking huge!!!
Evidence is evidence, even if it was UNDERreported two or three years ago. But I imagine more evidence will be recovered if we already have evidence with which to justify subpeonas and discovery petitions. Oversight hearings, statements under oath and other forms of investigation will obviously yield more evidence. And the more evidence Democrats compile, the more evidence there is to impeach Bush and Cheney. And again, the evidence, regardless of its age in the news media, will have to be explained to the public. Moreover, a lot of the public does not understand FISA or the contents of the Downing Street Memos. Once it is explained to them outside the realm of thirty second campaign commercials and vacuous campaign speeches, I imagine they will understand why the President must be impeached immediately. Those who think articles will be drafted with the evidence to which we already have access are clearly not thinking about the entire impeachment process.
I seem to recall some photos of torture floating around. If the average person can’t clearly get what’s happening from those then there is no hope left for America.
Very well said.
Psi,
you’re a smart dude. No doubt about that. You know as well as I do that there’s more than enough evidence to convict GWB by the standards set out in the Constitution. The problem is this fear that democrats seem to have that they’ll lose power if they piss off the people. Pissing off the people? We are the people. Where do you think the democrat’s win in the midterms came from? From stay the course? Nah. No. Nada. We are the people and we demand that our boys and girls come home. We demand that our repesentatives might actually move in the direction that we just gave them an order to move in. We fucking demand that you honor the document that you gave an oath to when we gave you your job.. Integrity. Our integrity Psi, as a nation, is on the line. We have to uphold our laws. We have to make it clear that no one individual, or no one ideology can take this great country down a path to murder, self destruction, or setting the rest of the world on a path toward global annhililation. This isn’t politiccs circa 1952 or 1972. We got our asses in a bind right now. We need to get a little humility. Best way to do that? Make amends. By convicting George W. Bush of the crimes he’s guilty of, and then setting out to talk to a few of our friends…if we have any left.
Integrity in the eyes of the entire world should be considered, as should our willingness to uphold the laws we ostensibly cherish. But more importantly, one must avoid casting the event as so much political theater. A professional investigation that seriously and professionally presents the evidence with the cold, objectivizing glance of a detached observer will sway nonpartisan an Republican voters to the side of the Democrats. If the proceedings are shrill and overtly political, then the evidence will appear factitous, no matter how compelling it may actually be. Democrats must jettison this notion that impeachment is invariably political. But in the wake of the Clinton spectacle, I imagine this will be very if not utterly difficult. Hence why a thorough yet serious investigation must be undertaken. And Conyers, I believe, has the composure and resilience to present the evidence in a manner whereby all Americans will be able to understand it. He is never shrill, and he is always thorough and measured. The cast of characters will have to be chosen very carefully, for evidence is always tainted by those who present it.
if the media wasn’t so screwed up. They are afraid the media will jump on them the way they went after Clinton.
Your comment
Says it all!
I agree. Compelling evidence cannot be ignored.
This is exactly right. A responsible legislator who has sworn to uphold the law, regardless of party identification, will vote for impeachment if the evidence is compelling. One also cannot ignore the pressure of constituents who may find the evidence compelling. If the articles are drafted thoroughly and responsibly, Republicans and Democrats will have to vote to impeach Bush, unless, of course, they desire to lose their in the House or the Senate.
Articles of impeachment must be drafted, and I imagine any responsible legislator will compile, establish and explain the evidence in any articles submitted to the House or to the Senate. One obviously would eschew impeachment without holding hearings, establishing the evidence, compiling the evidence and explicating the evidence to various news anchorpeople.
Regarding votes, one must consider the pressure Republicans representing blue states will have to impeach the present if compelling evidence is found and explained. Five Senate Republicans, I believe, voted to acquit Clinton, and I imagine many Senate Republicans would vote to impeach Bush, especially if his approval ratings plummet in their respective states. Yes, impeachment is political, and those facing voters in 2008 will have to explain to voters why they chose not to impeach if compelling evidence is recovered and explained to voters through the media.
One should also consider the role PACs, 527s and special interest groups will have in impeachment if compelling evidence is established and explained in House and Senate committees. The will most probably air television and radio advertisments, and voters will receive mail if an egregious transgression of the law is established. Such a media blitz will incite voters to contact their representatives and ask them to vote for impeachment.
And if multiple committees hold hearings on impeachment, the news media will be obligated to cover these committee hearings, reminding voters again and again that the President broke the law. Yes, a bifurcation in the public will occur, but if that bifurcation leaves only 25-30% in support of Bush, many representatives, including Republicans in red states and red states, will be forced to vote yes to impeach.
The Republican party did not witness significant gains in the wake of their attempt to impeach Clinton, as their attempts were failed. If it succeeds, the public will most probably support Democrats or at least submit Republican incumbents and challengers to intense scrutiny. It would also, I believe, rent the Republican party asunder, debilitating that party for at least one election cycle. Hearings, media, evidence and activism, if coordinated, can sustain an impeachment. But the evidence and the hearings must proceed any call for impeachment.
I am in complete agreement. The impeachment process is not an overnight process. It will take time to hold public (not in the basement) hearings. As someone said up-thread, hold the hearings and let the chips fall where they may.
I don’t want to sound like Tony Snow here, but to anyone that has read the entire Conyers report, it is difficult to imagine that if evidence is taken supporting the case it lays out, and going even further to nail Bush on lying us into war, I don’t see how any rational person could persist in being against impeachment. And given Conyers own conclusions then, it must be moved forward with, at a minimum, investigations in his committee.
That’s my take anyhoo.
Exactly. We have tons of solid evidence already. All that needs happen now is for the Congress to put forth their argument, with unity, to the American people. Sane people of all political persuasions care as much about the law as the rest of us. This is NOT a partisan issue, nor need it be a partisan effort.
This isn’t about a blow job.
This is about guys who broke all kinds of laws to lead us into a criminally murderous mess in Iraq, slashing our freedoms in the process. This president has shown no respect for our constitution. It’s time we show the world the consequences of that.
…if we had the votes for conviction, that means we would almost certainly have a veto proof congressional majority on the following policy areas…
That is the saddest excuse for a piece of logic I’ve ever seen the guy produce. You’re right to call him out on it. He needs to get a clue about the politics of scandal and impeachment. It’s absofuckinglutely amazing to me, these numbnuts who are clamoring for healthcare over impeachment, as if that were really the choice.
I hands down guarantee that his ‘logic’ is totally and completely wrong. In fact, it is much more likely that we will get universal healthcare AFTER we impeach the bastards and get a Dem president in 2008. If we don’t get universal healthcare, etc. in the next two years AND we don’t impeach the bastards, we WILL lose big in 2008. Since we won’t get veto-proof universal healthcare out of this congress, we have to go for the impeachment, period. Otherwise, you can forget retaining or gaining power in 2008, 2010, 2012. We need to pass universal healthcare and watch Bush veto it in the midst of his impeachment trial. That’d get us a good shot at simultaneously getting a Dem Congress and President who could actually reverse the huge travesties of this lying cheating stealing sociopathic psychomaniacal thugministration and return the country to forward movement instead of regression into the Dark Ages.
History shows that impeachment works to the advantage of the party doing the impeaching, conviction or not. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe that this case would be any different. WHY DO YOU THINK THEY IMPEACHED BC OVER A GD BJ?!!
Good point re winning on the impeachment issue no matter the outcome.
I know some lifelong republicans who want to see Bush impeached. Seriously. People who respect the law respect those who take the law seriously and do what is needed.
As I said – this is not a political issue. This is a legal and a moral issue for our country, quite unlike the BC case.
To me, this is about us, “we the people”. Now it seems some of the “people” may have broken the law. It does not matter who those “people” are. They are subject to the laws set by “we the people”. If any one of these “people” breaks the law, that “people” is subject to prosecution by the “people”. It should not be “impeach Bush”.
It should be, “prosecute the people” who broke the “people”`s law.
No “people” is above the law of the “people”. Nobody should EVER be advocating excuses for not upholding the laws of the “people”.These laws were written with the word “WE”, not with the word “SOME”. Now is the time “We” do “SOME”thing about it. For the past 6 years it`s been about “Dems are weak”. “SOME” seem to want to prove it. Obviously “WE” think they are wrong. The president took an oath to uphold the constitution. So did everyone who claims to be an American, because it`s your constitution, so back it up or let those who do, do so without the weight of your petty fears. WE STAND UP.
I left this comment in Jerome’s dKos diary as well:
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Too many people think this all about politics. Whoopie! Dems won… It isn’t all about politics.
It is about doing the right thing.
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And thank you for posting this BooMan!
Jesse Jackson has a good piece up on this:
Also– I think Chris has changed his mind since his original post. His current position on impeachment:· “…not considered right now, but possibly later.” He says:
Doesn’t surprise me a bit. I told you that he had lost his senses. He’s a brilliant strategist, and a truly idealistic and progressive person. And he is fully capable of changing his mind when faced with a good argument.
Totally, totally, totally wrong.
If Bush and Cheney are not impeached then we are all complicit in their crimes. It’s that simple.
It’s not an issue of whether we have the votes, the issue is doing what is right.
Not only is the world watching, but history is watching.
Impeachment proceedings are an essential course correction for this democracy. Essential.
(I wonder how long before Markos bans discussions of impeachment from his website? </snark>)
Now you tell me, if we had the ability to do all of these things, where would impeachment rank on the list of legislation that would actually help Americans?
This quote reveals a man who has no concept of the rule of law and why it is necessary for a civil state: So what if America is now run like the Mafia–as long as we still get a few social programs, who cares?
How deeply has the Rethuglican idea of government (as criminal enterprise) taken over American discourse!
Truth and justice? That is like SO 18th century!
The darkness is only beginning, my friends.
May Conyers stand fast. May we all live to see better days.
May your grandchildren live to see better days.
Chris and Markos have BOTH been bought off.
One way or another.
It makes no difference if the money passes under the table, is legally given in payment for work, is in the form of fame (Money down the road plus the “I’m FAMOUS!!!” endorphins.) or power. (Money down the road plus the “I’m POWERFUL!!!” endorphins.) It makes no difference whatsoever.
Acceptance of the “For the good of the country” anti-impeachment meme simply means that one has become part of the country that would be helped by not impeaching BushCo.
Well…that’s another country.
Another country than the one in which I live, for SURE.
It is a country where “The richest 2% of adults in the world own more than half of global household wealth.” The one in which “the richest 1% of adults alone owned 40% of global assets in the year 2000, and that the richest 10% of adults accounted for 85% of the world total.”
Where I live? Closer to “In contrast, the bottom half of the world adult population owned barely 1% of global wealth.” (All from the new study on The World Distribution of Household Wealth by the World Institute for Development Economics Research of the United Nations University. You could look it up. I gotta run.)
Impeach their asses and start over again.
And, in whatever manner this works on other levels (“As above, so below” say some fairly wise folks.) impeach motherfuckers who claim to speak for the left but in fact do not do so.
Acceptance of that anti-impeachment meme is prima facie evidence of bought-and-soldness, as far as I am concerned.
Or of course, sheer sleeple stupidity. Which I do not think applies to these two. Or many other lefty righties either.
They are acting in their own short-term self interest, whether they are aware of it or not.
Acting in the short term interest of their families.
Put it any way you want.
They are probably short term and personally correct.
But they are long term wrong like a motherfucker.
No other way to put it.
Bought and sold.
Sorry.
Personal friendship will not cut it here.
Wrong?
Go away.
Or go down with the ship upon which you have apparently signed.
Because as the immortal Michael Ray Richardson once said about one of the several basketball teams on which he coked-out his marvelous talents (Was it the Knicks?), “The ship be sinkin’.”
The ship be sinkin’.
ANY dumb motherfucker ought to be able to see THAT.
Plain as day.
AG
Here.
ANYONE who is anti-impeachment is wrong, wrong, WRONG!!! (Quack.)
Quacked up a notch.
AG
and they think impeachment in the terms that the Clinton impeachment was done – strictly partisan and quasi legal. I, however, am old enough to remember the Nixon impeachment proceedings. And there were people of integrity from both parties who realized that Nixon had to go. Impeachment didn’t play out as Nixon did resign and saved himself in that manner. Ford’s pardon was a travesty. Ford thought to save the presidency, but at a cost to the constitution and to the rule of law. Similar pardons for Irangate also damaged the constitution. So now, with the constitution in shreds, with the rule of law flung out the window, imho the only way to recoup is impeachment. Neither Kos nor Chris can possibly understand how important an idea as “rule of law” is for the US. We see the RW loonies shooting down the idea of laws fast and furious. We have to counter that idiotology and regain our country.
Show me evidence that there is even one person of integrity left among Republican elected officials. It wouldn’t be bi-partisan this time, ’70s-era politics are long dead and buried by the Gingrich revolution.
The only way to get Republicans to go along is if impeachment was so popular among their constituents that opposing it meant a certain loss in the next election. Hopefully, oversight and investigations will produce that strong public support but it certainly isn’t there yet.
the republican party can resurrect itself in the coming years, or whether another party will rise in its place. I agree there are few repubs with integrity now, which is a tragic commentary.
Even if we had the votes for conviction, that means we would almost certainly have a veto proof congressional majority on the following policy areas…
And who’s to say that if the Dems are able to pass legislation to help people that Bush won’t just issue another “signing statement” and/or completely ignore it.
I know that in Jan 06 this congress passed a budget authorization bill that eliminated a medicaid program that provides funds for child protection services. As of today, the federal departments have not done anything to implement this reduction. This one is all to the good, but still… This could just as easily be done with universal health care if it is passed.
And one other thing, if folks want to do something to help the people, how about getting rid of Bush before the ME absolutely blows up under his stewardship (or lack thereof). He and Cheney don’t have any ability to do what needs to be done to avert complete disaster there and we will all pay the price for that.
investigations are warranted. We have to charge people when the charges are warranted and we have to seek justice when injustice has occurred. We are a nation of laws and democracy, when we try to manipulate those principles to serve our ends we have become just like them and have not avoided being like them at all!
Some will do the right thing and some won’t, make your choice and let the chips fall.
Nixon ran away because he couldn’t face impeachment. Poor george hasn’t been able to change the law far enough to cover himself. Will he run or face it like Clinton?
I expect a ton of last-minute pardons before he skedaddles. Is it illegal to pre-emptively pardon yourself?
I know my Congresswoman Diane Watson has no interest in impeachment for the reasons stated by Markos and Chris. The passion and intelligence in this thread is something she needs to see. I’m printing the whole thing up and sending it over to her office.
Please consider doing something similar. DC is so incredibly, ridiculously insular it’s like a mind-controlled cult. It’s hard to penetrate that on some issues, but it’s necessary that we try.
there are times i think Kos is drinking the kool-aid.
having said that, i believe Cheney needs to be impeached first, and then Bush…
but only AFTER normal investigations and hearings into the occupation of Iraq, the corruption in DC, Katrina, etc.
after honest hearings, i think the public may be clamoring for impeachment.
then, following impeachment… war crimes trials.
I agree Joe. Let oversight hearings lead the way. As for kos and Bowers, I’m confused over what all the writing has been about for the last few years. We have an opportunity to investigate now, in no small way due to the efforts of these very folks and others in the progressive blogosphere. Why roll over now? You know this administration still has over two more years to run the show; I personally shudder at the prospect.
Impeachment isn’t going to happen right now. Republican congressmen will be lockstep against it, as will almost all of the media (whose corporate owners have benefited tremendously and will continue to benefit from Bush’s presidency). Investigations will go forward, and they will uncover mountains of negative information about the Bush/Cheney method of operating. At some point in the next year, hopefully 2/3rds of the public will answer YES to the simple question “Should President Bush be removed from office?”.
That will be the time for impeachment, when the media and some elected Republicans have no choice other than supporting the will of their constituents. Until then, “doing the right thing” could create a partisan backlash narrative that allows Republicans to recover from their incompetence far faster than they will currently. We need strong leadership in the future, and doing anything that lets these clowns recover is damaging to the future of this country and the world.
Impeachment isn’t the only way to make them pay for their crimes. Investigations will uncover wrongdoing that will hopefully cripple the Republican party, and many of their activities have criminal penalties which can be imposed even after they are out of office.
I’m not saying anything should be hidden from public view for the sake of comity and healing, that is the last thing the country needs. Above all else, this administration failed at one thing after another because they are completely incompetent. Investigate thoroughly, bring everything out into the daylight, expose them all as worthless hacks. They’re an administration of jokes, the next two years will hopefully turn them into the punchlines they deserve to be. That should be the ultimate penalty for their crimes and hubris, to be laughed at by history (though jail time wouldn’t hurt either).
If we expose them for what they really are, we won’t repeat this nightmare again like we did after Watergate and Iran-Contra. That is the real goal in looking backward. Impeachment should be an afterthought, if there is enough popular support it will happen but it shouldn’t be the investigative focus.
Not only do I agree with Markos and Chris I stated this exact argument right after the election. The morning of the impeachment seminar at the Constitution Center I wrote about this here: http://pennsylvaniaprogressive.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/11/impeachment.html
Attending the seminar and listening to the arguments only solidified my feeling we’re better off actually accomplishing something thenext 2 years. Voters will lump us in with the hackneyed old pols and hacks and say nothing’s changed if we trash the necessary agenda for impeachment.
No one who has made this argument has offered any evidence, historical or otherwise, that impeachment proceedings necessarily derail all other legislation and bring the legislature to a halt. It is a specious argument, from the seat of the pants, and does not comply with reality.
After 2 years of investigations, confronted by another landslide election and more party defections, with the party in disarray, the Republicans will be asking for impeachment to salvage what is left of the party, which of course is more important than any individual.