The biggest crisis facing the United States is in international relations and foreign policy. The only possible competitor is global warming, but that problem is so interrelated with our Middle East policy that it can properly subsumed within it. Many Americans are more concerned about access to health care, quality jobs, the quality of and access to education, the rights of women, gays, the disabled, or other domestic issues like lobbying and ethics reform. And they want the new Congress to focus on delivering tangible results on kitchen table issues. That’s understandble, but I want to show why it is a fool’s errand to ignore Iraq and impeachment in favor of a domestic policy agenda.
Markos put it like this:
We can spend 2007 either pushing impeachment (which isn’t as popular as Zogby claims, see Bowers’ piece), or we can use it educating the American people about what a Democratic government would look like — passing meaningful legislation that would improve their lives like the minimum wage, health care reform, ethics reform, stem cell research funding, policies that help families and the middle class.
Impeachment does none of that.
Let’s just get a little perspective on the financial situation. Dennis Kucinich recently made a point about the costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan:
“Now, if Congress goes ahead under Democratic leadership and votes to approve what some are now estimating as an additional $160 billion for the war in Iraq, bringing the total for the fiscal year to $230 billion, the Democratic Congress will have bought George Bush’s war. Now, who would buy a used war from this administration?”
Okay, $230 billion dollars in this fiscal year. How does that compare to some domestic policies? Let’s take a look at education.
Title I Grants to Local Educational Agencies. Title I provides funds to schools in low-income communities and is the foundation for the NCLB accountability, school improvement, and parental choice reforms. The Budget requests $13.3 billion for Title I, a $603 million, or 4.7-percent increase over the 2005 level, and a 52-percent increase since 2001, to help schools implement the No Child Left Behind Act.
Reading First and Early Reading First. The Budget includes $1.1 billion for the President’s signature literacy programs to help students in preschool and elementary school improve their reading skills. Reading First supports high-quality, scientifically proven reading practices in grades K–3 to ensure that all children can read at grade level by third grade. The Budget proposes $1.0 billion, fulfilling the President’s commitment to provide $5 billion for reading over five years. The Budget includes $104 million for Early Reading First to develop model childhood literacy and pre-reading programs for schools serving high-poverty communities.
It should be clear what that $230 billion in Iraq is costing us here at home. It is 230 times as much money as we are spending on helping K-3 children learn to read in this country this year. Without the need to fund our foreign wars, we could double the budget for the Reading First and Early Reading First program and still have $229 billion left over to fund stem-cell research, expand access to health care, or just pay off some of our staggering national debt.
It’s not the case that we can avoid spending that $230 billion just by impeaching the President and Vice-President. But we have to consider two things. First, under Bush’s leadership we can expect to spend another $230 billion in 2007, 2008, and 2009. Second, that money is going to be entirely wasted, perhaps even worse than wasted, unless it is used in conjuction with a broader constructive and reality-based attempt to resolve regional disputes and bring stability.
There is a third problem, and I believe it is fatal to anyone that opposes impeachment. Bush and Cheney, even if they were to have an Oedipus moment, do not have the credibility to successfully carry out the diplomacy that is needed to extract ourselves from the quagmire of Iraq.
Given these considerations, impeachment becomes an imperative. The first fallacy is that we can detach impeachment from Iraq. No matter how you look at it, the strongest alternative, the most positive thing we could do to improve the situation in Iraq is to have a new foreign policy team that is not intimately tainted with the decision to invade Iraq or the policies that followed there.
The second fallacy is that we can do more for the American people by focusing on domestic issues than we can by removing the executive and ending our $230 billion annual commitment to Iraq. The cost savings of ending our commitment there are so huge that nothing else could conceivably help the American people more.
Let me go over some other fallacies.
Fallacy: Impeaching Bush will only give us a President Cheney.
It should not be controversial that any set of evidence that warranted the impeachment and conviction of George W. Bush would also justify the impeachment of Dick Cheney. In fact, the most promising avenues for investigation directly involve Dick Cheney: the 2001 energy task force and California energy crisis, the legal case for torture and the enemy combatant policy (Addington), the Valerie Plame case, the White House Iraq Group, Halliburton no-bid contracts, the NSA program, etc. If the facts justify impeaching Bush, they justify impeaching his quail-hunting sidekick too. And the Senate would be more willing to convict Cheney, not less.
Fallacy: there are no set of circumstances under which 18 Republican Senators would vote to convict the President.
Simply put, this is horse-hockey. Just to give one example…if the NSA is revealed to have spied on reporters, dissidents, the Kerry campaign, or other ordinary Americans (as I believe it did, or nearly a dozen NSA officers would not have leaked about it) then there is little doubt that 18 Republican Senators would vote to convict.
Moreover, the GOP is not running a candidate from the Bush administration in 2008. They have little incentive to protect them, and quite a lot of incentive to distance themselves from them.
Fallacy: what the polls say about impeachment are important.
In 1972, Nixon crushed McGovern.
Nixon 60.7%, 520 Electoral Votes
McGovern 37.5%, 17 Electoral Votes.
Less than two years later, Nixon had resigned to avoid impeachment. The investigations proved that Nixon had been lying. Do you think Bush has been lying? If the polls are important in this case, they are important because unlike Nixon, Reagan, or Clinton, Bush is starting out this process with job approval in the low 30’s. He cannot point to his approval ratings or an overwhelming re-election to argue that the people are on his side. Any major revelation would drive his number into the twenties or teens. In other words, the polls show us that Bush cannot sustain a major hit.
Fallacy: This one is expressed by Markos.
…the second we start impeachment proceedings, the media will focus on that. Heck WE’LL focus on that, and the Democratic legislative agenda will fade into the background, ignored. A perfect opportunity to brand the Democratic Party in a positive light will be forever squandered.
In one sense this is obviously correct. If the House Judiciary Committee begins impeachment proceedings the media will cover it and little else. The fallacy is that this is a good reason not to pursue impeachment. First, not to be too snarky, but it is nearly impossible to get the media to focus on our legislative agenda as it is. But, two other considerations render this argument useless. I raised one above (the enormous amount of money being wasted in a failed and hopeless Iraq policy does more damage to our legislative agenda than a lack of media coverage possibly could). Two, a weakened and desperate President is more likely to sign our popular legislation into law, not less.
Fallacy: It would be wrong to start investigations with the express purpose of impeaching the President and Vice-President.
This would be true if not for the foreign policy crisis that we find ourselves in. On the other hand, the investigations should be fair, not a witchhunt, and a not a crusade. If the facts emerge, fine. If they do not, then there should be no impeachment. How we ‘frame’ the investigations is up to people like Pelosi and Reid, not the netroots. Our job is not to deceive the public about our intentions. The intent is to get a new President before 2008.
Fallacy: there isn’t enough time to carry out these investigations.
Waxman and Conyers know exactly what they are looking for. The administration will run into two immediate problems. Turning over requested information will lead to impeachment and refusing to turn over requested information will lead to impeachment. Contempt of Congress and obstruction of justice are impeachable offenses that should be in full evidence by April.
Too many Democrats have been intimidated by so much time out of power. They are convinced that the media is 100% against us, the Republicans are in lockstep and will never defect, that the people can’t distinguish between lies about blowjobs and lies about spying on ordinary Americans. But the deepest defect in the Democratic netroots is in thinking domestic policies mean a damn until we can get rid of the President and Vice-President and fix our foreign policy. Iraq is so bad that even the wise men in Washington know Bush and Cheney needs to go. And you’ll be surprised how easily they cut them loose once the constitutional crisis (.pdf) comes to a head.
Thank you for such a lucid, supportable argument. I’ll send this to Diane Watson too, and Boxer and Feinstein, while I’m at it.
Agree 100%. THANK YOU for taking the time to lay this out so well last night and this morning.
Absolutely 100% right.
Those who would advocate the “impeachment is off the table” approach are setting aside the good of the country and ignoring health of our democracy. They are thinking only in terms of short-term political gain/loss – exactly the behavior for which we have been railing against the Republicans for the last 6 years.
If the Democrats move forward along the lines advocated by Kos and Chris Bowers, then they are no better than these Republicans, and we will all suffer a great deal in the long run. History will repeat itself, if not worse.
I want to see Bush and Cheney pay as much as anybody here. Seeing them + their cohorts publicly hung from the lightpoles is close to what I have in mind. It’s very important for our country to come clean in the eyes of the world, at the very least. Nonetheless I’m not convinced that impeachment is the way to go.
Impeachment requires a 2/3 vote of the Senate to convict. No matter how bad the evidence, I doubt that the votes are there. We’d have to get a significant number of Rs to jump. Circumstances today are significantly different from the Nixon impeachment, in which both the Ds and the Rs were convinced Nixon had to go. The two parties worked more closely together back then, and there wasn’t this intense ideological polarization.
Until we can get some assurance that impeachment has bipartisan support – which may well come, as a normal consequence, out of Waxman’s investigations – talk of impeachment is premature, IMO.
When Clinton was impeached, the Rs knew they lacked the 2/3 majority to convict, and yet they went ahead anyway, simply to tarnish the guy. That blood thirsty, hyper-ideological position is what’s different today from the Nixon impeachment.
As for your last argument, there not being enough time – yes Waxman and Conyers know what to look for, but by the time the whole process would come to a vote, it would be near the end of Bush’s term anyway. If this were December 2004, you’d have a stronger case.
As important as it is to seek justice for what Bush and Cheney have done, it’s even more important that the adults get back into the driver’s seat of this country, before thinking about punishing the drunken kids who stole the wheel. The Ds have to establish their cred as responsible leaders. Impeachment, like it or not, would steal public attention away from the serious issues our country is facing AND harm the Ds ability to deal with them. You sort of dealt with this point in the 3rd from the bottom fallacy – I just think impeachment harms the Ds legislatively more than it helps them – I don’t quite buy your argument that Bush will be inclined to go along with the Ds simply because he’s being impeached.
I’d really like to see Bush and Cheney tried in some sort of international criminal court, similar to Nuremberg, since I believe reparations are morally necessary to the people of Iraq. This is the more appropriate venue IMO, but one that’s probably even more unlikely than impeachment.
The reason Republicans will support this is their own political lives will depend on it. Their constituency are Republicans, but most Republicans don’t like what Bush has done, and would love to be able to punish their own and reclaim the high ground.
Don’t underestimate the difference between Republicans in DC and the republicans elsewhere in the country. They’re not all partisan wonks who put their party over their country.
There isn’t a groundswell of support for impeachment nationally, and the current crop of Republicans won’t vote against their President unless their political lives are at stake. Hopefully, the investigations that are coming will unearth enough new details and new illegalities to change the landscape.
Investigations are important and they absolutely need to go forward as planned by various committee chairmen and women, but I don’t see any point wasting political capital now on impeachment talk when there is absolutely no chance of impeachment at this point. The votes aren’t close to there even among Democratic elected officials. Hopefully that will change over the next year but it isn’t even worth discussing now.
Without impeachment, we are nothing. If we allow a president to break the law and let him get away with it, we’re not a nation anymore. We’re not any kind of a Democracy.
The voters knew if Democrats got into office impeachment was a possibility, and voted a majority anyway.
The votes will be there if the case is presented well, period. The facts are on our side. All we need is the cohesive presentation of them.
Now – I’ll give you that without support from the masses, this will not happen. And the press is going to fail us utterly on that, no question.
Go read Robert Parry’s post today – he makes the case in a very intelligent way. I don’t want to copy the whole thing here. But if you think that a) this isn’t winnable or b) worth doing, you need a history lesson.
And I have to say that impeaching the president and vice president for breaking the constitution and murdering over 600,000 innocent people is hardly “punishing drunken kids at the wheel.”
Sheesh. That’s the most inapt comparison I’ve ever seen.
Believe me, I’m very aware of the gravity of the crimes you mention.
Using an automobile analogy – getting adults into the driver’s seat to prevent the car from going over the cliff, BEFORE dealing with the people who put us in that position – is just a shorthand, easily understood way to talk about the priorities of dealing with the whole mess.
Another analogy: your house is on fire. You put out the fire first before finding and punishing the arsonists.
I don’t mean at all to minimize what these people have done, and I failed to convey how important it is for sane people to get control of things before they get worse.
but you can’t put out the fire when someone keeps lobbing firebombs into it.
Here’s a different analogy.
A man walks up to a river and sees another man pulling bodies out of the river. People are drowning, and the man at the river’s edge is trying to rescue them.
The first man takes in the situation, and walks away. The guy at the river screams “Help me! I’m trying to keep these people from drowning.”
The first guy yells over his shoulder, “I’m going upstream to stop whoever is throwing them in.”
Impeachment is the upstream solution. Nothing short of that has a chance in hell of helping any of us.
The following articles are very much worth the time. This issue must be understood in the overall context of history.
On the Necessity of Impeachment — Part I
On the Necessity of Impeachment — Part II
On the Necessity of Impeachment — Part III
On the Necessity of Impeachment — Part IV
On the Necessity of Impeachment — Part V
I agree with pretty much everything in your well-reasoned article, Boo. What I’m not clear on is what the dispute is about, exactly. Are you assuming that the Dem leadership has really taken, or intends to take, impeachment off the table? Seems like they’re just saying the politically necessary boilerplate: we’re not going to prejudge what the investigations turn up; we’re going to find the truth of what’s been done and decide on further steps on that basis. What we need most urgently to do now is be on the lookout for any attempt to limit or downplay the investigations — to me, that’s the danger when electoral calculations by the Dems mix with doing the right thing.
The Kucinich statment you quote (I think) was really more about Congress withholding funding for Bush’s Iraq budget request. This is from a letter he sent to supporters:
So impeachment and getting out of Iraq are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Congress can begin extricating the US from Iraq as early as January if it has the guts to do so Bush or no Bush. I think a step this dramatic would also shift public perceptions toward more support for impeachment.
Pelosi made it clear this was off the table even before the midterm elections.
It’s not the case that we can avoid spending that $230 billion just by impeaching the President and Vice-President. But we have to consider two things. First, under Bush’s leadership we can expect to spend another $230 billion in 2007, 2008, and 2009. Second, that money is going to be entirely wasted, perhaps even worse than wasted, unless it is used in conjuction with a broader constructive and reality-based attempt to resolve regional disputes and bring stability.
If the point is to save $230 billion a year, we should be lobbying Democratic congressmen to cut off the damned funding, not lobbying for impeachment. Bush isn’t alone, most of the Washington establishment is against withdrawal from this miserable war. Our troops will still be in Iraq even after Bush/Cheney are gone unless we change that disconnect from reality. Impeachment is irrelevant to the discussion, and impeachment debate will only serve as another distraction while more of our troops die and more money goes down the toilet.
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That is how impeachment can work toward getting our troops out of Iraq. Bush/Cheney will not.
I am referencing an article / interview from “Mother Jones”. I read a great article, quoted in part here, about the case for charging Bush / Cheney with fraud-
Elizabeth de la Vega has a book- Going After the Con-man-der in Chief- that gives the case for charging Bush with defrauding the US. According to her, this was done in Watergate.
From the article:
“There were many, but the main one is conspiracy to defraud the United States. That is Title 18, United States Code section 371. It’s a very old statute. The statue itself is really very simple: It says it’s against the law to conspire to defraud the United States. There are several very old cases where they define what that means. The statute is used a lot against defense contractors who present false information to get overpayments on their contracts. But it was also used against some defendants in Watergate and Iran-Contra. It seems kind of like a vague statute, but it’s actually very simple–it means using deceit of any kind in order to impair the function of a government agency. In this case, the deceit was the broad pattern of deception that the administration directed towards the public and Congress.”
I think she has a very good point here. Input?
Straightforward, simple, and utterly provable. Yes.
I agree with your take on the fallacies.
If the facts emerge, fine. If they do not, then there should be no impeachment. How we ‘frame’ the investigations is up to people like Pelosi and Reid, not the netroots.
I’ve always thought Pelosi’s “off the table” stance was meant to buy time for passage of reform legislation in the first three months of 2007. Everybody gets something that way.
It’s not as if they’re starting from scratch. The upcoming hearings will simply beef up the known factual bases already assembled, and serve as groundswell PR to reach those who didn’t read either the Conyers’ 182 page report, “The Constitution in Crisis; The Downing Street Minutes and Deception, Manipulation, Torture, Retribution, and Coverups in the Iraq War” (.pdf version of the report here) or, for example, Lewis Lapham’s article in Harper’s about the report.
No specific Articles of Impeachment could be recommended at the time, as direct access to information held by the Administration was blocked. Nevertheless, a lot of work had to be done for the conclusion these charges clearly rise to the level of impeachable conduct.
future deterrence.
I’m not sure if my thoughts below have been written about here before, but it makes me feel better to express this. I have been wondering if an average citizen could escape prosecution for a serious offense/crime by either just apologizing and/or changing the reasoning after the fact for the crime. If not, should that same logic not apply to politicians in their daily lives in office?
Let’s say I feel my neighbor has kidnapped my child and is hiding this child in his house. Let’s say I go over there and confront my neighbor, who then denies everything. I get angry and a fight ensues in which I kill my neighbor and then ransack his house looking for my child. After I’m done, I discover my child was just faking being missing because he was angry at us for some reason, but is now fine. I had made a total mistake. If I apologize and/or claim I was attacked previously by my neighbor so that I needed to retrain his outlook, could I be forgiven for my actions, or would I be at least prosecuted for some kind of manslaughter and/or property damage? After all, my neighbor’s house is in shambles and his family now has no father/husband and all for my mistake.
Now I have tried to make this story parallel the Bush administration’s actions leading up to and including the invasion of Iraq. We all know the story by now. Bush said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction which could imminently hurt us, and that Iraq was helping in the 9/11 attacks. Now we know that was not true, but Bush now says we must retrain the Iraqis to teach then freedom. Meanwhile thousands of Americans and many thousands of Iraqis are dead, fatherless and homeless.
Can Bush escape prosecution for heinous crimes that he might now say were the result of mistakes (with apologies) or the result of a desire to retrain Iraq for something that had nothing to do with the original invasion??
but to make it more real you ask 2 neighbors and one says another neighbor kidnapped the child and another says it isn’t true. You believe the one that tells you the child was kidnapped.
i hate the term “pushing for impeachment.” it sounds like what they did to clinton, where they made up their minds they were going to impeach the guy and then tried for years to find something … anything. we are not suggestiong “pushing for impeachment” … simply investigating any and all wrongdoing.
Confronted by another landslide election, after more Republican defections, and 2 years of investigations, Republicans will attempt to clean their own house by impeaching the most hated president in U. S. history. After all the party is more important than any individual and this will potentially be a party saving revolt.
From Robert Parry’s article “Bush has to Go” at ConsortiumNews.com today:
Great piece, BooMan.
Impeacment is both the morally correct and the politically expedient thing to do. Historically, in every instance, the party doing the impeaching gains momentum in the next election cycle, whether the impeached official is convicte or not. In 2009, with larger majorities in the legislature and a Dem executive, we will be able to do ALL the things that need being done, without the threat of veto.
Everybody is in a GD panic about getting everything on the progressive agenda done within two years, as if there is no 2009. However, they continue to overlook the fact that ANY and ALL truly progressive legislation WILL be vetoed and not over-ridden by the legislature. I say, if Boosto is going to veto progressive legislation, make him do it while the impeachment trial is going on. That is a win-win situation for Dems.
The moral imperative for impeachment speaks for itself, and doesn’t require much real thought. When the investigations are obstructed, the parallels with Nixon will not be lost on the MSM or the general public. Coupled with devastating disapproval numbers for Boosto across the spectrum of domestic and foreign policy, it will be easy to ‘get ‘er done’.
Anyone who tries to separate the political realities from the moral imperative for impeachment for the purposes of argument is not living in the real world. Both are intimately tied together. It is morally imperative that we impeach Boosto for the future of the progressive agenda, not in spite of it.
However, they continue to overlook the fact that ANY and ALL truly progressive legislation WILL be vetoed and not over-ridden by the legislature.
Of COURSE. I HOPE DESPERATELY THAT BUSH VETOES EVERY SINGLE BILL.
That’s because Bush will DEFINE the DEMOCRATS as the party that does what Americans want, while the Republicans VETO WHAT America wants. That sound like a winnaaaa to me.
yup. And Boosto doing so while on trial for impeachment will underscore and define the contrast for everyone to see. Veto-while-impeached would focus the electorate on the progressive agenda like no other issue would.
We have exactly 12 months to do something. The Republicans desperately want us to waste this single 12 months doing impeachment.
I want NCLB reform.
I want reform of bankruptsy.
I want college tuition fixes.
I want Medicare Part D fixes.
I want progress on universal health care.
If we do impeachment, all of that goes. We polarize the congress (yep, more than now), piss off the independents, and make ourselves look like a bunch of vindictive morons.
Count me out.
I have a suggestion for you impeachment folks: Test the waters.
Ask friends and neighbors about whether Bush should be impeached. After all, if it’s such a good idea, everyone should be in favor of it, right?
Well, you may be shocked but most reasonable DEMOCRATS think that impeachment is totally IDIOTIC idea.
So, run that little poll. Be fair and be impartial. Report back – how many support it, and how many think that it is totally idiotic?
70 % idiotic, in my experience.
I might suggest that a significant percentage of those who think that impeachment would be “idiotic” are reaching that conclusion based on the experience of the impeachment of President Clinton, which was one gigantic politically-motivated circus.
Impeachment is a constitutional remedy for high crimes and misdemeanors commited by constitutional officers, but it has been reduced to political circus status in the minds of many Americans by the Republicans who went after Clinton, thus immunizing Bush & Cheney from the legitimate process of prosecution for their crimes. They got a two-fer, didn’t they.
I wonder if you read Booman’s article.
I’m not interested in a poll now. But what do you think people would say in that poll AFTER it had been demonstrated by investigations that Bushco wiretapped reporters, political opponents and/or anti-war groups? This is what the investigations are for – to convince the general public and republicans that its time to get rid of the criminals. Booman was pretty clear about that.
We here all see quite clearly that in a righteous world Bush and Cheney should be impeached, yes, surely, in a righteous world. But you have to go with the world you have, not the world you would like to have.
In the real world, impeaching/trying Bush and Cheney are two different procedures times 2, win less than all and you can end up with President Cheney.
The public, many of whom supported the war, are nowhere near ready to scream “I was Wrong !” which they would have to do to make this wholesale and completely unprecedented impeachment happen.
And logic has nothing to do with it. This is politics. And law. And procedure. None of which proceed deductively.
What is oversight without consequence? Voters are disgusted with GOP fraud on every level. If disgust for Bush/Cheney swells organically through the revelations of their crimes (or, more likely, their refusal to answer questions under oath), the American people will be BEGGING for impeachment – unlike the Clinton impeachment, which was partisan and top-down in origin.