By now, most of you know that Hillary Clinton is in the race for the Democratic nomination for President in 2008. As Steven D said, ‘Big Surprise’. The bloggers have all received their notices and invitations from Peter Daou…a man I think we all like and respect, but who has a very tough job in convincing the blogosphere to embrace Ms. Clinton.
In some respects this is an exciting time. Never before has a woman been this well positioned to win the nomination of either party. Who could have predicted that a former first lady would be the first? And this isn’t some token campaign. Hillary Clinton is extremely, extremely, well qualified to be President of the United States. There is no doubt that she has the requisite intelligence and experience that is needed. But, that doesn’t mean that we should want her to be elected. Not necessarily.
I understand what Hillary Clinton has been doing. She emerged from the Clinton era with a reputation as a big-government liberal, a hard-left feminist that had contempt for the cookie-bakers, and as someone with, perhaps, a few ethical problems in her past legal career. This was the legacy of a very sustained and vicious smear campaign funded by Richard Mellon-Scaife and others. She was humanized somewhat by the l’affair Lewinsky but, politically, she was seen as a fringe left personality. She has worked hard over the last six years to change that perception. She has scrupulously avoided attaching her name to any liberal initiatives (not hard in the Bush era) while becoming best known as an advocate and apologist for the war in Iraq.
The war did not go well. Unlike Al Gore in 1992, Hillary is unable to benefit from her support for a war in the Persian Gulf. At least, she is unable to benefit from it in a Democratic primary. But her hawkishness accomplished her general election goal, which was to be seen as a moderate, acceptable choice. Hillary has intentionally courted hostile criticism from the blogosphere precisely so that she could eliminate her reputation as a radical. This might strike me as brilliant strategery if not for the over 20,000 injured or dead American soldiers and 600,000 dead Iraqis that came as part of the bargain.
A very large percentage of the activist community is simply unwilling to forgive Hillary’s hawkishness…in my opinion, rightly so. In spite of this, Hillary is electable. She may have difficulty winning the nomination, but she will have much less difficulty winning the general election.
This runs counter to the narrative on Hillary. She is supposed to be too divisive, too unpopular in red areas of the country, to be electable. This is inaccurate. It will become even less accurate after a primary season where she is constantly portrayed as just this side of Joe Lieberman on the sliding political scale. Hillary is running as a pro-corporate, pro-empire, Democratic Leadership Council Democrat. Attempts to portray her as a communist or a feminazi will fall on deaf ears and will not even be considered by the Gang of 500. If you are concerned about Hillary’s electablity, you are opposing her for the wrong reason.
Hillary will have an effect, however, on the electability of Democrats running for the House and Senate. There are pockets of the country where Hillary remains deeply unpopular. There are quite a few congresspeople that will find their seats a little more vulnerable with Hillary at the top of the ticket.
There are some other concerns I have about the candidacy of Hillary Clinton. I don’t particularly like the idea of political dynasties in America. I don’t dispute that Hillary’s time in the White House provided her with valuable experience that is unlikely to be wasted in her potential governance of the nation. I don’t think, however, that we should make such experience a prerequisite for the job. It’s a trade-off that acts to limit the pool of qualified candidates.
I have some concerns about her competency. She did not handle her Health Care Initiative well. In fact, it ended in disaster and over forty million Americans remain without health coverage, at least in part, because of Hillary’s failure.
I also remain, personally, fairly far to the left of Hillary Clinton. This is true especially in our foreign policy, but also in our domestic policy. I do not support the basic political aims of the Democratic Leadership Council. I never supported the DLC on policy, but I no longer think it is a good electoral strategy either. The blogosphere has changed what is possible for candidates of the left. We no longer need to rely on corporate donations. We can win this election using the same model that just brought us resounding victories in the midterms.
A Hillary presidency would be exciting on some levels. I can imagine a female President giving a state of the union address with Nancy Pelosi behind her shoulder. I like that image. I think Ms. Clinton would be a decent president and I think she might actually be good at healing our nation and bringing us back together a bit. But I want to shoot higher. I know we can do better. I don’t want to continue on the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton seesaw.
One last point: the Democrats are fielding a very strong field of candidates. Even long shot candidates like Biden, Richardson, Vilsack, and Dodd are serious, qualified candidates. Contrast that to the Republicans. They have John McCain. They have Mitt Romney. They might have Rudy Guiliani. But that is all they have. And those candidates each have characteristics that are deeply troubling to the Republican base. McCain hates evangelicals, evangelicals distrust Romney’s Mormonism, and Rudy is too moderate on social issues.
The Dems are in great position to win the White House in 2008. Right now my two top choices are Edwards and Dodd. I like them for ideological reasons. I am open-minded about Obama. Hillary? Not so much.
I think you’re overmisestimating Hillary’s outlook in the general election. If the Reps manage to nominate Giuliani or somebody else that manages to peddle himself as a “moderate” I think she’ll face serious defections from “Reagan Democrat” types as well as lefties. That may take the form of voting GOP, third party, or simply staying home. If the Reps nominate McCain or some other hard right type, there will be an even bigger likelihood of a strong third-party challenge from the left.
Myself, I suppose I’ll end up voting for her, but I’ll be taking a break from volunteer work with MoveOn or anybody else that tries to help her candidacy. Having another useless caretaker in the White House will produce no long-term good. We are at a point where nothing will make a difference except real, deep change. Anything else is damage.
I’m about as confident that Hillary would produce real change as I am that my goldfish will become a concert pianist. The bitterest political awakening for me is that after all the years of waiting for women and minorities to come to real political power, what we got is Powell, Rice, Gonzalez, and Hillary. We can do so much better.
Well, I can’t really imagine Guiliani winning the nomination and I kind of doubt that he will ultimately run.
If the Reps manage to nominate Giuliani…I think she’ll face serious defections from “Reagan Democrat” types as well as lefties.
Giuliani’s record on civil liberties issues while Mayor of New York City is somewhere between Atilla the Hun and Benito Mussolini. Frankly, I’m ready to vomit everytime I hear Giuliani described as a ‘moderate.’ Why would “lefties” be attracted to a man who tried to close a major museum because he thought the art was offensive, testified in support of executing a man as the ’10th hijacker’ even though the guy wasn’t in on the scheme, showed nothing but disdain for poor constituents and contempt for minorities, and supports Bush’s policies at Guatanamo. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Giuliani is MORE conservative than George Bush on civil liberties, and it does a disservice to the electorate for people to repeat the falsehood that Giuliani is a moderate merely because he tolerates company among gays and doesn’t care if a woman aborts. How low we’ve gone when those two issues become the sole determinants as to what a ‘moderate’ or ‘leftie’ would find acceptable in a Presidential candidate.
I think, for just a moment, I’m going to step back and have a good, admiring look at our field of candidates…
While Hillary is not my cup of tea, I am proud, proud, proud of the people who are on deck so far…
I would vote for Hillary before I would vote for any Republican.
But I would vote for Edwards long before I would vote for Hillary. (Obama is probably in the middle somewhere.) We’ve had DLC “Democrats” in office before. Been there, done that.
Geez. I would love to feel elated by Ms. Clinton’s announcement. I would love to be rooting for her one hundred per cent.
Her running will, hopefully, change the playing field somewhat for women no matter what the outcome.
I do believe she is smart. I do believe she is competent. (I think you are vastly overstating when placing the current health care crisis primarily at her feet.)
What is rather odd, after all the publicity she has received, is that I have no sense of who Hillary is. Like the over-managed Al Gore (as opposed to the fire-breathing one of late), she has tried so hard to hit the right notes: intelligent, strong, reasonable, dignified. I get no sense of her real personality. As easy a presence as Bill was, Hillary always seems constrained and guarded. It may be partly her temperament, it may be that women politicians can’t be seen to have too much heart. I really think our country is more accepting of seeing a male politician cry about something than they would be about a woman politician doing the same.
I admire her for taking the risk that she is, but I can’t support her candidacy.
Booman summed it up in one sentence. Hillary is running as a pro-corporate, pro-empire, Democratic Leadership Council Democrat. That’s why I have to look for another candidate.
I will support her, and should she win the primaries and become the candidate, I will vote for her.
I feel the same for Edwards. And Gore.
I have heard Obama speak in person and agree with an assessment I read elsewhere, that he is a brilliant orator best served in the Senate, but I have reservations about him having the political experience that should steel a president and don’t think that the sole plank of “hope,” a la FDR, is what this country needs in 2008. Hope arrived in the 2006 elections. However, if he is the nominee, I will whole-heartedly vote for him.
The embarrassment of riches among democratic candidates is, I find, exhilarating. The paucity of “rich” Republican contenders makes my hert soar like a hawk when I think of this nation’s possible executive leadership for the remainder of my life.
Clinton-Edwards — 8 years
Edwards-Obama — 8 years
Obama-Clinton (Chelsea, of course) — 8 years
Clinton-? — 8 years.
To dream. . .
mmm why not declare monarchy while you’re at it. Because I thought that the point with a REpublic was to skip hereditary leaders…
I have always considered Hillary more conservative than Bill Clinton. I quit the Democrats and became an Independent voter in 1995 because of Bill Clinton’s appeasement of everything right-wing in America.
A pox on the Clinton house.
What we do not need is yet another dynasty in the WH!
Frankly, I am sick to death of this round about with the bushes and the clintons. They just need to go on their merry way and forget about the WH. NOt that I do not like Hillary, I do not know her. I will leave it said at that. Then we will have either of the siblings/nephews of coward dubya next afterwards…no thank you very much.
Amen.
In my comments under Steven D’s post on Hillary’s announcement, this run for president is one more entry on her resume. Imho, If nominated, there will be a third party candidate. Look for a collapse of her campaign.
BooMan must be speaking tongue-in-cheek when he writes:
“She may have difficulty winning the nomination, but she will have much less difficulty winning the general election.”
“I think Ms. Clinton would be a decent president and I think she might actually be good at healing our nation and bringing us back together a bit.”
She will loose It’s early but in New Hampshire, she’s behind Obama. Considering she’s been labeled the front-runner these last 4 years, that’s quite some bell-weather. N.H. is not a red state.
She polarizes and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.
I can list 8 other reasons why she’d be a weak president.
I think Sen. Clinton would be a fine President if she were elected. if she can win the primary, I will support her happily – and not just b/c I don’t want President McCain or Guiliani. She’s qualified for the job and by all accounts she’s been an excellent Senator for New York.
I also remember 2003/4 and all of the “I’m not voting for that such-and-such.” I did it too, but I was happy to vote for John Kerry in the end. I know I’m not the only one who had that experience. Keep that in mind before railing on the candidates (though I admit to a deep Obama antipathy and won’t always be able to keep a high-minded thought in my head!).
I also bet I’m not the only woman on here who choked up a little bit at the thought of Clinton/Pelosi at the State of the Union. It’s time. I remember reading something about the Premier of “Commander in Chief” – the author of the piece watched with a bunch of women, many of whom cheered and/or got teary at the site of a woman walking into State of the Union. Those women, and many like them, will be voting in 2008.
I am not even excited that she announce. I wish she had the smarts not to run. She is too damn moderate for me. I think of her as Repugnant Lite. If she wins the nomination, then I predict a republican will be back in the white house after Bush because Hillary cannot win.