Is discrimination against homosexuals acceptable? That, amazingly, is the question currently being debated in British society. The Equality Act of 2006 (.pdf), which comes into force on April 6th, made discrimination “in the provision of goods, facilities and services” illegal. At the time, Prime Minister Tony Blair – an Anglican whose wife is a Catholic – proposed an exemption for Catholic adoption agencies, on the grounds that, in the words of Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor, head of the Catholic Church in England and Wales,
“Catholic teaching about the foundations of family life, a teaching shared not only by other Christian Churches but also other faiths, means that Catholic adoption agencies would not be able to recruit and consider homosexual couples as potential adoptive parents.”
Blair was supported by Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly, a member of Opus Dei, a secretive cult that bases its teachings on the doctrine of the Catholic Church (a much larger and more prominent cult).
The row can essentially be summed up thus: the law bans discrimination in the provision of goods and services. Catholic dogma, on the other hand, insists on it.
I hesitated when I first read of these supposed “conflicting pressures“, thinking there must be some nuance or hidden complexity to the argument that I was missing. If there was, I still can’t see it. This is a straight out contest between the rule of law and religious doctrine. In a supposedly democratic, progressive and secular society such as ours, there can only ever be one winner. In Britain, the rule of law reigns supreme and applies to everyone, including those who subscribe to religious cults. As Lord Falconer put it:
“We do take the view in this country that you shouldn’t be discriminated against on that basis [of sexual orientation] and think that applies to everybody, whatever your religion.”
“We have committed ourselves to anti-discrimination law, on the grounds of sexual orientation, and it is extremely difficult to see how you can be excused from anti-discrimination law on the grounds of religion.”
Despite the seemingly obvious answer to the question of ‘state vs. church’, many people have argued, publicly, in favour of the idea that people should be allowed to discriminate against homosexuals if their religion tells them to. There’s a simple way of gauging the validity of their arguments – just substitute the word “black” or “Jew” for the word “homosexual”. Discrimination against black people and Jews is far more taboo, evidently, than discrimination against homosexuals, but unless you subscribe to the view that homosexuals are somehow less worthy of equal rights than blacks and Jews, there really is no difference in terms of legitimacy between racism, anti-Semitism and homophobia.
So, when Cardinal O’Connor writes in a letter to the Prime Minister (from which I quoted above), that it would be “unreasonable, unnecessary and unjust discrimination against Catholics” to force Catholic adoption agencies to stop discriminating against homosexuals, he is effectively taking the position that it would be “unreasonable” and “unjust” to force organisations to stop discriminating against black people.
When Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, writes a letter to Tony Blair expressing the Church of England’s solidarity with Catholic homophobia, stating that “[t]he rights of conscience cannot be made subject to legislation”, he is effectively arguing that the law should only apply to those who lack personal convictions, and so for all intents and purposes must cease to exist. If it were my personal conviction that Christianity, as with religion in general, is an extremely dangerous and fanatical cult, and that the foundation of a healthy family should lie in atheism, would the Archbishop support my right to discriminate against Christians? Does he support the right of those who sincerely believe that it is their moral duty to go around murdering people to do so unhindered by the law?
When Lord Mackay of Clashfern, a former Conservative Lord Chancellor, declares,
“Sexual orientation is one thing – that’s a tendency towards a particular type of sexual activity but practice is a different thing”,
he is referring to standard Catholic dogma, which states that homosexuality is not in itself a sin, but acting upon it is. He should be treated with as much respect as someone who declares openly that, although being Jewish is not in itself wrong, acting Jewish is. Lord Mackay continues:
“They [the harassment provisions outlined in the Sexual Orientation Regulations of 2003] are very difficult to understand but it could well mean that if you teach in a school, particularly in an advanced class, that homosexuality is wrong, you would be guilty of breaching these provisions.”
This is, apparently, a negative thing. Presumably, Lord Mackay would also have a problem with a ban on teaching a class of schoolkids that having sex with black people or Jews is wrong.
Imagine if an adoption agency declared that, as a matter of “conscience”, it could not consider black couples as fit to adopt a child, because it sincerely believed (for whatever reason) that it is sinful to base a family on the union of two black people. Would we find that acceptable? Would the spokesman for the Prime Minister declare that the PM is seeking a “solution that meets the needs of both sides”? Would the Daily Telegraph publish an editorial in favour of the adoption agency?
Cardinal O’Connor, in his letter, describes the “excellent and highly valuable” service Catholic adoption agencies provide, before warning that the anti-discrimination legislation would force these agencies to close. Such a situation would be, writes O’Connor, a “wholly avoidable” and “unnecessary tragedy”. The Daily Telegraph editorial likewise proclaims piously that “the real focus in this controversy should remain on the interests of [the 4000] children [waiting] to be adopted”. Dr. Williams employs the same device, writing that “[i]t is vitally important that the interests of vulnerable children are not relegated to suit any political interest.”
This is blackmail. What the pro-discrimination lobby is doing is presenting us with a choice between the welfare of thousands of children (which would undoubtedly be adversely effected by the closure of Catholic adoption agencies) and the principle of equality under the law. We must reject with disgust this “sordid” attempt to “try and blackmail Parliament and government by threatening to close down…valuable work in adoption and other areas…using vulnerable groups like children in care to fight [an] ideological battle.”
The current religious protests against anti-discrimination laws simply reinforces what last year’s gay pride rally in Jerusalem already taught us: that virulent homophobia is one of the few things that can unite the various faiths. The Church is “battling to stop progress” and to “return us to the dark of prejudice and irrationality.” We must fight it with all the energy we can muster.
Cross-posted at The Heathlander
Great diary, well laid out as to the stupid and sick assumptions by so many who use their ‘religion’ as a basis for their own twisted prejudices.
IIRC, there was a similar row here, in San Francisco, with the outcome being that the Catholic church decided to stop its adoption programs, rather than be forced to adopt to gay couples. I do have a fuzzy memory and it may be that they just threatened to stop their adoption program and the city backed down.
What bloody idiocy.
Personally, I think that if they cannot find it in their hearts to stop discriminating, then they certainly aren’t morally capable of taking care of children and finding them good homes.
No, I think you’re right – people on DKos mentioned the same thing.
It’s funny – in England they’re trying to do the reverse, trying to present it as a choice between childrens’ welfare and sticking to anti-discrimination legislation. In fact, as you say, the moral choice would be for the Catholic Church to gets its priorities straight, and put the Christian values of love and compassion ahead of those of discrimination and prejudice.
That’s what organisations like Christian Aid do, and it’s why their work is so valuable.
To use the fringe sect Opus Dei as a source of “Catholic doctrine” is like using Dobson as the source of Unitarian doctrine!
There’s absolutely nothing in Catholic doctrine that would prohibit gay persons to care for and to adopt children. (There’s plenty to encourage them to be celebate, but that’s a whole different problem with Catholic doctrine.) When the adoption agencies say that they are prohibited “by their conscience” I suspect they are influenced by conservative donors.
The Catholic church has had many periods of change and self-examination; the next is coming soon. Benedict won’t cross Opus Dei. Perhaps the next pope will.
Why wouldnt churches oppose gays, its against christianity to be gay. If the adoption agency is Christian, run by christians, and so on, they can let whoever they want adopt children. Or etleast it would work that way with Jobs and products of the Christian church. The First Ammendment is freedom of religion. Christians are against homosexuals, and if it is their compnay, they can allow gay people not to adopt children, otherwise it would be breaking the First Ammendment, if we said they couldnt do this. And Dont tell me about seperation of Church and State, because show me in the constitution where it says that. It doesnt. Because this country was Founded on Christianity, Gun Powder, and not being British.
-Adam
Really?
This is fine, but it didnt adress the first ammendment. Since it is a christian adoption agency, the people running the agency are underneath a religion, they have freedom of religion, and can then say “no you cant have this child”. And they were all Thomas Jefferson’s opinions weren’t they? They were not was in directly in our Constitution.
-Adam
Beyond the issue of whether this country was deliberately set up to be a christian country, as opposed to a country where people would not be persecuted for their religious beliefs, there is another issue about adoption.
If a child to be adopted is in the care of the government – a ward of the government, then the government should set the rules for who is qualified to be a parent of that child. Those rules should take precedence over the wishes and procedures and beliefs of any adoption agency. If the agency does not wish to go along with the government’s principles, then I think that agency should not be in the business of controlling adoptions.
There are Christians who do not interpret the Bible as you do. There is no single one way that Christian churches apply scriptures – if there were, we would not have so many different kinds of Christian groups. So your statement about what Christians think about gay persons does not hold true for all Christians.
If you wanna go all “strict constructionist” about the Constitution, ignoring completely whatever the intent of the framers was when they wrote the words, try this on for size:
“Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”
Please note that it says “no law respecting religion”.
And what do you suppose the word “respecting” means? To me it means that the government should not respect any religion at all when laws are made, and that includes Christian churches and religionists who want to be allowed to discriminate against anyone they choose to.
If this were not the case, anyone that wanted to could form a Christian Church of the Almighty White-people Haters and stone any white person to death who set foot on church property. But since the government doesn’t make any laws respecting religion, it doesn’t respect church property as a place where people can break the regular laws of our country any more than it respects whether you commit murder in your own private kitchen or in the public street. It’s still a crime… And “the free exercise thereof” obviously does not mean that you can use the cover of a church or religion to break the regular laws of our country. It means that you can pray to any god you want to, or observe any religious tradition you like, as long as it doesn’t break the regular laws of our country.
Or, if you think its freedom of speech, lets go back to the Constitution again, OK?
“Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech…”
Last time I checked, “speech” means talking, which is stuff that comes out of your mouth when you make it move and push some air thru your vocal cords. You can legally shout anti-gay hatred all day long on the street corner or in your church, if you like, but you can’t actively discriminate against people because they are gay when it comes to how you treat them. If you own a grocery store you can’t refuse to sell them food, if you own a gas station you can’t refuse to sell them gas, and if you run an adoption agency you shouldn’t be allowed to disqualify them from adopting solely on the basis of them being gay.
So, please show me where the Constitution allows discrimination by churches.
Are you really a conservative who supports “strict construction” of the Constitution? Or do you support religionists bending it real hard to try to make it mean what they want it to mean?
Except that (in the UK), from April 6th, they can’t, and that’s a good thing. Freedom of religion is important, but there have to be limits. We don’t allow religious people to burn witches, do we? I think it is important to eradicate discrimination from the provision of goods and services, and this should of course apply to everyone, including the Church.
The original post discusses conditions in the UK.
Now it’s a fine point and something a lot of Statesiders seem simply incapable of grasping, but US law doesn’t go beyond the US borders.
The UK doesn’t HAVE to deal with the First Amendment, because it doesn’t EXIST there.
It’s NOT THEIR LAW.
No the UK shoudnt listen to our constitution, I was just saying how ours is. And as for the person who said christianity is interpretted, Im just going strictly from the Bible, not interpretting at all.
But forget this, none of you want to hear the opposing side anyway, youd rather just hear more of the same, and weather im right or wrong about the ammendments and what not, thats true.
You are misrepresenting Catholic belief, just as the Opus Dei crowd is. Catholics recognize that being gay is a condition of birth while many of the conservative Protestant groups consider it a choice from which someone could/should be “cured.”
Catholics ask for celibacy from gays. (Of course, they ask for celibacy from lots of other folks too. It’s a hang-up.) So there’s no reason in Catholic doctrine to prevent people from adopting children.
The points on Jefferson are interesting and inspiring, but the core difference in position is what I’ve noted above. Being gay is what a person is, and therefore deserves all the protection of the Constitution.
I only mentioned Opus Dei to note that Ruth Kelly is a member of it. The rest of the time I was talking about the mainstream Catholic Church. The head of the Catholic church in England seems to disagree with you about Catholic doctrine – he says that it would go against fundamental Catholic teachings about family life to allow gay couples to adopt.
It was just recently in a papal document, which I will search when time permits. The fact that a single bishop is on his own train is not unusual!
Here’s the statement from Catholic bishops.
That does not lead Bishops to an acceptance of any kind of sexual activity outside of heterosexual marriage, of course. But it does reflect a very different starting place for their logic. When one believes that one’s gay neighbor has intrinsic rights, it’s easier to dialog.
Yes, that’s what I said in the article (I provided this link). Catholic doctrine is that homosexuality as a “tendency” is not sinful, but homosexual activity is.
It is also Catholic doctrine that families should have at their a heterosexual couple, and not a homosexual one.
Where do you find the latter? What do we do about refusing remarriage to singles with children?
I find the latter in much of the discussion of this topic. As I understand it – there are two main problems catholics have with considering gay couples for adoption: the belief I stated above and the idea that sex outside marriage is immoral (and homosexual marriage is certainly immoral).
But all of this is, of course, totally irrelevent. I don’t care what Catholics believe or why they believe it. What matters is that they don’t try and force those beliefs, good or bad, on me or the state.
Marriage–the sacrament–and caring for children aren’t necessarily synonymous.
I take it you aren’t Catholic. I know it’s confusing, with 2000 years of hierarchical dogma and conflicting interpretations. But you should also realize that there is only a small core of what passes for Catholic doctrine that has actually been spoken “ex cathreda” (by the Pope in an official capacity.) Much of the rest is tradition. Saints come and go, some Fridays are fast days, some holidays are negotiable.
But you are certainly right that there’s a fixation on celibacy. I’ve written diaries on the way that we prioritize the applications of the commandment “Thou shalt not kill.” Abortion very wrong, capital punishment and pre-emptive war just a little wrong?
The problem is that thirty years ago the Vatican II council told Catholics that they were adults, competent and had their own consciences. The conservative core of the hierarchy has been trying to put that cat back in the bag ever since, with very limited success. I predict some big changes in the Catholic church in the next generation.