Al Gore has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.
But Marisacat on the FP is so much more fun, ain’t it?
This is the story the world is talking about. This is the real news. This was your President.
So how are you going to help him? Up here in Canada our politicos have been talking Kyoto and Climate Change all day. We ain’t perfect by any means, but at least we’re talking. So… what are you, or your leaders going to do to save our planet?
They should talk to Gore… he has a boatload of good ideas imo.
Former Vice President Al Gore was nominated for the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to draw the world’s attention to the dangers of global warming, a Norwegian lawmaker said Thursday. “A prerequisite for winning the Nobel Peace Prize is making a difference, and Al Gore has made a difference,” said Conservative Member of Parliament Boerge Brende, a former minister of environment. Brende said he joined political opponent Heidi Soerensen of the Socialist Left Party to nominate Gore as well as Canadian Inuit activist Sheila Watt-Cloutier before the deadline expired Thursday. The winner is announced in mid October.
But I also want to add a slight reproach to the lecturing tone. Many Americans, and most here, are already aware of your revelation.
I’ve been saying for years that Gore is my favorite candidate. He is the real president. He is a genuinely great man. He has an amazing shot at winning both an Oscar and a NOBEL PEACE PRIZE in this same year. The whole world is turning to him for relief from the current dictatorship. I hope he wins both awards and announces for president. I think he will win.
Thanks for the rec, but I don’t see the ‘revelations’ as you have on this site today. so my tone may be lecturing because it’s so damn pathetic that the FP is all about MCat and a non-outing.
I really don’t care if it’s rec’d or not. I don’t expect many of my diaries to be so from here on out. Not a big deal. But it is news and presented as I feel appropriate at this moment in time, on this site.
Your second para I absolutely agree with.
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Sure you do, this site is meant to be about caring and we care about one another. Always enjoy your rivals, rants and contribution.
Ehh … take care spiderleaf.
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."▼ ▼ ▼ MY DIARY
Hey Oui, don’t get me wrong, I do care alot. Just not about if this diary was rec’d or not.
Thanks for the kind words, and always good to see you too!
Oh, cool, I was just about to ask what this site is all about!
I guess I’ll need to stick around a bit to see that “its all about caring and caring for each other” part?
😉
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Lavish yourself at the frog pond and enjoy the flower shower. Many aeons ago, there was always a Welcome Wagon for all newcomers.
Some of the old-timers do get a bit rusty and cranky, that’s where the young ones take over the platform and butt the ‘oldies’ for a dive into the muddy bottom. Just don’t take away the pleasure and do have fun!
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."This kind of nastiness is not typical.
thanks — I actually think it is quite typical on these community blog-type-thingies, cyclical maybe, but most definately typical. Not surprised, just bad timing on my part!
lol
yeah, it is definitely cyclical. Moderating a site like this is not easy. I’ve made some mistakes. In other cases I don’t think there was a good decision available.
For the most part, the core group of people here is pretty tight. There have been some people here the last few days that were very respected parts of this community but that left over one thing or another. They came back and they rehashed an old controversy from last summer.
On the one hand, it was great to see some old faces. On the other, we really didn’t need to re-fight and old sore spot.
If you want to get to know the community the best way to do it is to find the most recent Froggy Bottom Cafe or Lounge and introduce yourself.
Most of what goes on in the Cafe is non-political. But it is a way to get to know some pretty great political activists.
This is what your best friend Tracy is contuing at Dkos…bashing this place and claiming she will never write here again. Then she is all over here bashing in some threads and acting like absolutely nothing has happened in others. It is disgusting! Tracy is the one that opened this whole thing up again. You allowed her to call Super a “fucking pig, I hope you fucking die” and me a “physcho spoiled bitch” ? I have been here since day one and really have admired and respected you, your writing and analysis of the political climate but the way you have handled this whole thing is absurd. Things had been very respectful and peaceful here until she reappeared this past month. Think about it.
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I’ve always loved your writing. Not going to do anything Booman ever again. Really hurts though that feasting on my daughter is so delightful.
In the Pajamahadeen I’m Scooby-Doo!
by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 08:25:22 AM PST
If I have been too tolerant of Tracy’s outbursts I have to accept that criticism. She left voluntarily. She came back. I was surprised that she came back. I warned her that she couldn’t write personal attacks like the one she wrote against supersoling.
I know Tracy and have spent time with her and her son. I have been very reticent to ban anyone ever since the Parker incident. Tracy is on notice that she can’t continue to berate people.
I’m sorry if you are upset with me about how I am handling this, but I am doing my best.
Hey Buddy, it’s your blog. If you want someone here that goes over to Dkos and writes a diary bad mouthing this site and the people that have kept you up and running for a long time so be it. Adios amigo. I wish you only good things.
I don’t want that.
It sould be obvious how I feel about people posting diaries at DK that disparage this community. But I am not looking to ban people lightly either.
BooMan – do you think it would be a good idea (or horrible) to as a community come up with standards of conduct that we would like to abide by, with specific, easy to follow consequences?
Is this what you had in mind when you started this blog? Did you imagine the same five or so people sitting in a cafe all day talking about their cats or dogs or pictures? Did you imagine the baiting and the cussing and the fights and the eating of their own nad the lies and disparaging comments here?
Let’s get real here my friend. You told us you wanted a place to figure out how to Frog March the liars in the White House out and I believe to also help stop the war and make sure the votes were legally counted. Things like homes for the homeless and jobs for the jobless and healthcare for 40 million people without flippin insurance. To get progressives elected. What happened to all of that. The only time the traffic goes way up is if there is a flamewar between two posters or usually it involves a Dkos diary. Look what you one paragraph diary on Mariscat did last night!
Nope, not what I originally came over here from Dkos for. Not by a long shot.
The site has a life of its own. What is it that you want me do to? Ban Tracy? She’s on notice.
I want you to ban the FBC. Really, they’re a pathetic bunch of losers and hangers on.
Nothing, nothing at all. Life of its own is fine for those that aspire to little more I guess. I tried. But you just don’t seem to care so what’s the use. Have fun. You too SN and all your little clique over at the Lounge that Diane started for you.
to maintain the site so that the margins and comments don’t get all out of whack so you cannot read them.
tell me what you think.
I am asking you.
I want you to be an administrator and you know what the right thing to do is. I want you to take control of your blog. Not try and just generate traffic. You have a brilliant mind kiddo. I wish I had half your intelligence. You know how to write. DO IT!! Don’t play all these silly kids games.Did you really imagine a chat room for animal lovers? Are you satisfied?
I like the animal lovers. I write what I write and I try to keep people happy. Sometimes I fail.
We all do martin, it is called being human. God knows, and everyone here, that I have made my share of mistakes and said awful things. I truly regret that but what you have allowed Tracy to do here to me to super to Janet is just not right. So with that, I truly mean this, I wish you well. Now, it is time for me to call it a day. GO BEARS!
Tolerance is a tight rope. It is difficult to walk. You are doing well.
Your comments about the cafe has made me want to go dig up every goddamned animal picture I could find on the internet and send them to you, one at a time… forever. I sure do wish that you hadn’t said that. I wish I hadn’t read that. The FBC pisses you off? TOUGH SHIT. You don’t see the need for mindless banter and human interaction in these dark times? Doesn’t appeal to your elitist self image? Fine. THEN DON’T GO THERE, but DON’T DISPARAGE THOSE OF US WHO DO.
##**%!!#@%!!… and I mean that from the bottom of my animal loving, FBC loving heart.
Boo, if you don’t take lightly to banning people, can you explain why you banned spiderleaf then? For asking you to admit your mistakes and correct the record? For standing up to the hatred being flung about (not just toward her, but toward many people who’ve displayed nothing but measured patience and goodwill toward others)? For stating plain and obvious truths about the clique mentality that’s overcome all of this site’s original goals?
These are people who have contributed in a very real and tangible way to your success, and to furthering the causes that we all profess to hold dear (as alohaleezy so eloquently put it in her reply to this comment). Spiderleaf has shared many of her most personal thoughts and experiences in the time she’s been here.
I expect you or someone else will bring out the strawman of ‘outing’ people, or exposing their personal information. Let me explain why that’s a strawman argument: when anyone posts something on the internet, it’s there for all to see, and anyone can do just about anything with that information. Nobody can save Armando from the fact that he advertises his new identity over on another blog in his profile. Nobody but Maneegee can take down the photos that he uploaded, showing you and CG in a very affectionate pose. And he did. But, we who have seen it have seen it, and that can’t be changed. Want me to stop mentioning it any further? Sure, just ask nicely. Want me to change google’s search results? No can do. It didn’t take a private detective to figure this stuff out. Only an average IQ and an internet connection. There were no breaches of confidentiality.
Now, I’ve asked you on spidey’s behalf if you would delete the content she’s contributed to your site. And you replied with a contrite “no”. That’s your choice, and no one else’s. We know at the time we hit ‘submit’ that we’re turning this power over to you. Did we misjudge the compassion you would show if we later decided that those personal thoughts shouldn’t be up on the site? Remember, I’m not talking about what’s in google’s cache, or what anyone else is free to think or say: I’m talking about the power that you have to show respect and compassion, or ignore the request, for whatever reason.
So, it’s your site and your choice to do as you see fit, for whatever reasons you decide are important. I’m not challenging your decision to ban spiderleaf, but I think you owe the community a little explanation of how this fits in with what you’re saying should be so obvious, because it isn’t so obvious to some. I am asking you to reconsider her request to delete what she’s posted. There are one or two items in particular which, even if you want to keep the rest, would be worth considering deleting. If you are willing to discuss this offline, you have both of our email addresses from our private profiles, and our word that what’s discussed in the confidence of email will remain confidential.
I banned her because I was sick of her and she was challenging me to ban her. It’s that simple.
Thanks for taking a whole 10 seconds to consider what I wrote. You’re one of a kind.
I don’t want to give you the impression that there is some great principle being defended here. She lied. She refused to admit lying. She wanted me to ban her, so I did.
I’m deleting anything unless you can show me some harm that might come to her. If there are indiscretions she wants deleted I will consider that.
Otherwise, she wanted to be bannedd and she got her wish.
What if? What if she didn’t lie, even though you think you have irrefutable proof, which I am not buying that you did. What do you expect someone to do if they have not lied.
What she wanted was an apology, not to be banned and what she wanted was not to be accused of doing something she says she did not do.
This sounds a lot like the Plame affair….what you knew, and when you knew it.
Personally, if someone called me a liar and stuck with it, after I said I did not then I would be mad to say the least, to me that is the worse thing you can say to someone and to continue to say it.
I have an idea, why don’t you ask Catnip who told her.
In all reality I think you warned MT before she left the last time and so this would be a second warning, but in my mind it should have been taken care of a long time ago.
This is not the first time something like this has happened here and will not be the last.
I suggested 2 years ago that you make firm rules and then abide, the do not be a prick rule is stupid..but even if you went by that rule a lot more people would have been banned.
What we want most of us here I do think is to not be attacked verbally.
Then there is always the time out which I suggested before also, warning, then time out for 2 weeks, then second warning time out for months or something of that nature. Call it a cooling off period.
she lied Diane. She lied.
She is a liar.
She might be innocent of some of what I accused her of but not all of it.
She is a big fat enormous liar.
I hope, if nothing else, that has become clear in this whole blow-up.
She did more than anyone else to make an issue of my personal life back in July. I’m done with debating it. Nothing she has said has convinced me otherwise. Nothing.
I haven’t banned anyone in ages and I let her lie for hours today and yesterday. But when she asked to be banned it was an easy request to grant.
So if someone lies about you then that is grounds for banning which I believe you threatened first before she “asked for it”. But Tracy can spread lies here and all over the flippin internet and severely abuse people here she is given a warning…again? This was her second warning. Am I missing something?
Well you haven’t proven it to me and I suspect others as well. Can’t imagine why she would want to be here at all after that but I sure can understand why someone would react in the way she did when accused and still continues to be accused.
Booman I have done probably more than most people on this site to build it up and I certainly hate to see things continue on in this direction.
I will let it rest now but I strongly urge you to make site rules as I suggested above.
I have wanted to weigh in on lots of this stuff, but have chosen not to until now. I do so with a heavy heart.
I understand Boo that you are frusterated and understand a bit about why. But I’ll tell you that there was LOTS of chatter going on in different places about your relationship about the time of ykos. I remember doing it (mostly offline) too. So your case that it HAD to be Spider who told Catnip just doesn’t add up.
I know you feel confused about this “banning” thing. But I think the absolutely WORST thing you can do is to ban someone out of anger. As others have said, what Tracy said to Super, Janet, Aloha, etc., was about at “prickish” as it gets. But because YOU are mad at Spider, she’s the one that gets banned??? I’m not here to defend Spider, sometimes she makes me cringe with her comments. But I like her gutsy attitude. And I would miss her alot.
You know we often counsel parents not to discipline their kids out of anger. You usually make mistakes when that’s where it comes from. I think the same thing should apply to banning here. If you’re going to do it (and I know it needs to be done sometimes) do it rationally and for solid reasons.
whoa! Is that really the bottom line here? If you get sick of someone and/or they are challenging you, they get banned??
I think I’ll tread lightly if at all.
Interesting — do you moderate the site yourself or is it a tag team thing?
I’ve learned much so far (more than I really want to know, frankly), and thanks for the Cafe tip, but I am not much into sharing personal stuff with complete strangers…and with this group, looks like that kind of thing can come back and bite you in the ass!
Mostly, I’ll probably just read and post inconsquential blather here and there when the mood strikes me.
hmmmm, that’s the way to win a peace prize spidey… ; )
I’m chuckl’n here, and it’s great to hear from you…keep up the good work.
As for this country gett’n it’s shit together and talk’n….well…that’s gonna take a disaster…and it will come…because we hav’nt gotten together and agreed on anything in quite a while..
later
peace
It’s a new day, Spider. Let Gore be the point of your diary. Please change your diary title.
Spiderleaf, I almost spewed my coffee all oiver my keyboard when I read that title.
What a load of crap that thread has become.
AG
I agree with Arthur. I didn’t make Marisacat the focus of this site for almost a full day, so it is appropriate.
But I do appreciate your point of view Kidspeak, thanks.
I very much appreciate what you have to say most of the time, but I have to note that if you didn’t want the most recent Marisacat diary to be a big deal, posting roughly twenty percent of the total number of comments in the thread is a funny way of showing it. I generally will check out any diary that sounds interesting or that has more than 20 comments. All by yourself you pushed that thread over the margin. Likewise, focusing the title of this diary on the thread raises its profile even more. If you really think it’s pointless, perhaps you should just ignore it.
I’d love to Kelly, and under normal circumstances I’d take your advice, but BooMan has been spreading lies and smears about me and I am waiting for an apology. I jumped into the fray of the MCat diary, but I was limiting myself to responding to Tracy’s weird comments until Martin called me a liar and continued it in another diary.
Now I’m fucking pissed and waiting for him to correct the record and apologize after he was proved wrong (well proved as wrong as he could be without my outing myself, which of course he must recognize).
I can understand why that perception would make you upset, though I didn’t actually read the stuff in question (and probably won’t since the thread is all meta) so I won’t venture an opinion on the relative truth of anybody’s arguments. I skimmed that thread for ratings abuse, did a little bit of uprating, realized I was breaking my own rule about meta (which I’m doing again here, sigh) then bailed. I probably shouldn’t even have done that, or this. Anyway, I’m going to step away from the web now and get back to my deadline work. I hope your day gets better and I look forward to reading your (non-meta) stuff in the future.
Peace,
Kelly
Relurking.
Thanks Kelly, and I appreciate you breaking your rules to chat with me. Take care, and I promise I’ll try and take your advice today. It’s just so hard to sometimes.
And Kidspeak, it is a new day and I’m still waiting for the smear & lie against me by this site owner to be corrected and apologized for. Until that happens I will be quite vocal about how I feel.
from DailyKos was that you were outing personal details on Armando’s life or something. Is that a smear too?
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Your baiting and switching, calling people Phycho bitches and fucking pigs because they do not agree with you is immature. Take that wonderful advise from your daughter and take a break from the blogs.
There was a time that I really felt for you Tracy and could not imagine being so conflicted about the war and having a soldier for a husband. Now you use it as an excuse to attack the very people that used to support you. Shame on you.
Frodo failed….Bush has got the ring!
by Alohaleezy on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 06:47:56 AM PST
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See, I don’t expect something for nothing. I don’t expect my soldiers to break one law but uphold other laws and call them criminals for not doing such insane bidding while I do nothing but bitch on blogs. I don’t expect my soldiers to protect my country one day for me and then go to jail for me the next day, I’m not some spoiled little child with childish notions of how the world needs to be dressed up as a woman. I’m not so childish that I let Damnit Janet make up half truths about soldiers and demonize all soldiers while I pat her on the back and tell her how great she is and put her on a pedestal so she is even more enthusiastic about distorting the truth for military families right now. For joining that little beat the shit out of Tracy party at Booman you totally deserve to be called a bitch and psycho and Supersoling deserved to be called a fucking pig for what he wrote in my daughter’s diary. If the world is so fucking big and there’s a place for everybody as he said to her right there, he should have found a different place for himself other than that diary. My daughter asked me to no longer blog at Booman because you people over there are such assholes to serving military that it was dragging me down. I stand by every word I wrote over there to you and Supersoling. I am not sorry and I never will be and you people aren’t going to walk all over me anymore while my family makes sacrifices you wouldn’t dirty your little spoiled brat bitching American ass doing!
In the Pajamahadeen I’m Scooby-Doo!
by Militarytracy on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 07:24:36 AM PST
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with troll rating that comment? For what? Not agreeing with you?
Frodo failed….Bush has got the ring!
by Alohaleezy on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 07:35:51 AM PST
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starkly against your immaturity. But whatever hon. That little wanting to believe fairytales thing….at your age if I was you I would be getting some help for that. You do have insurance don’t you?
In the Pajamahadeen I’m Scooby-Doo!
by Militarytracy on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 07:42:55 AM PST
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for being whacked out to the point you thought you had any grounds for telling me to grow up. Consider it incentive to get some help for that fairytale problem!
In the Pajamahadeen I’m Scooby-Doo!
by Militarytracy on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 07:46:14 AM PST
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Come on Leezy
Put the whole thing up there
See, I’m learning lots from you guys today huh?
Grow up! (0+ / 1-)
Trollrated by:Militarytracy
Your baiting and switching, calling people Phycho bitches and fucking pigs because they do not agree with you is immature. Take that wonderful advise from your daughter and take a break from the blogs.
There was a time that I really felt for you Tracy and could not imagine being so conflicted about the war and having a soldier for a husband. Now you use it as an excuse to attack the very people that used to support you. Shame on you.
Frodo failed….Bush has got the ring!
by Alohaleezy on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 06:47:56 AM PST
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See, I don’t expect something for nothing. I don’t expect my soldiers to break one law but uphold other laws and call them criminals for not doing such insane bidding while I do nothing but bitch on blogs. I don’t expect my soldiers to protect my country one day for me and then go to jail for me the next day, I’m not some spoiled little child with childish notions of how the world needs to be dressed up as a woman. I’m not so childish that I let Damnit Janet make up half truths about soldiers and demonize all soldiers while I pat her on the back and tell her how great she is and put her on a pedestal so she is even more enthusiastic about distorting the truth for military families right now. For joining that little beat the shit out of Tracy party at Booman you totally deserve to be called a bitch and psycho and Supersoling deserved to be called a fucking pig for what he wrote in my daughter’s diary. If the world is so fucking big and there’s a place for everybody as he said to her right there, he should have found a different place for himself other than that diary. My daughter asked me to no longer blog at Booman because you people over there are such assholes to serving military that it was dragging me down. I stand by every word I wrote over there to you and Supersoling. I am not sorry and I never will be and you people aren’t going to walk all over me anymore while my family makes sacrifices you wouldn’t dirty your little spoiled brat bitching American ass doing!
In the Pajamahadeen I’m Scooby-Doo!
by Militarytracy on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 07:24:36 AM PST
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get help.
Frodo failed….Bush has got the ring!
by Alohaleezy on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 07:34:30 AM PST
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with troll rating that comment? For what? Not agreeing with you?
Frodo failed….Bush has got the ring!
by Alohaleezy on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 07:35:51 AM PST
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starkly against your immaturity. But whatever hon. That little wanting to believe fairytales thing….at your age if I was you I would be getting some help for that. You do have insurance don’t you?
In the Pajamahadeen I’m Scooby-Doo!
by Militarytracy on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 07:42:55 AM PST
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* [new] P.S. That was a psycho spoiled bitch rating (0 / 0)
for being whacked out to the point you thought you had any grounds for telling me to grow up. Consider it incentive to get some help for that fairytale problem!
In the Pajamahadeen I’m Scooby-Doo!
by Militarytracy on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 07:46:14 AM PST
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Geez, was she saying that shit in her dkos thread bashing BooTrib? Wow.
can you believe it?
I am not ashamed of anything I wrote in response to you Tracy. You accomplished all that you had hoped for. Everyone is paying attention to poor misunderstood Tracy. Well girl, I have a job to go to you. I just wanted the people here that feel sorry for you to see how two faced you are. I am sorry I allowed myself to get sucked into your little game. NO MORE! Life is way too short and there are way more important things to worry about than some misguided soul like you.
to me to stop beating the shit out of me for being part of a military family in the middle of this. I just want people to pay enough attention to me that they stop abusing soldiers because they are soldiers and their families just because they are soldiers families. If I have accomplished that then I met my goal and I am so damned happy it isn’t even funny. Thank You.
Abusing soldiers? That’s a pretty strong accusation Tracy that you have no facts to back up. Care to try and prove it? If not you are libeling a lot of people on this site and pushing a right wing meme.
I don’t abuse the troops. I know there are good soldiers and bad soldiers and I call ’em as I see ’em. That’s democracy. The military answers to the civilian population. They serve the civilian population. Not the other way around.
If anything, you abuse yourself.
But once again you are trolling this diary. Have a troll rating.
You are the one who has done the beating and to my mind no one has ever beaten on you about your military family, but rather for your vicious attacks on others, for their own opinions about one thing or another.
My husband does what he can to make sure it stays that way.
I would ask you to name any persons on this site who has bashed you for your military family.
Spiderleaf, Leezy, It’s a party all the time when it comes to the military all needs to refuse to go to Iraq and go to jail, and anybody else who doesn’t do this is a war criminal. Oh, and by the way these people need do nothing other than insist that this happens. They are more special you see that the soldiers are. It’s just he soldiers who need to do this and its just the soldiers who need to make one more sacrifice. And Janet puts up misleading information about military resisters and when she is corrected on it she does it more. She doesn’t care to tell the whole truth. Everything is so amped up and dramatized and the soldiers are so evil and spit on her……but she couldn’t come up with any names when my husband wanted names so that he could turn those soldiers in. It’s just a lot of drama……all spin around designed to rile the senses against these murderers and war criminals. If they go to Iraq they are just as bad as the Germans were under Hitler. If they really feel this way. They could join the military and then refuse to deploy and stand trial and STAND UP TO THIS. But they are too good for that and the soldiers are bad bad bad. Others join in here and there at different times.
I bash some troops behavior. I have never attacked you or you family Tracy personally Tracy. I again will say this though, I cannot even imagine feeling so conflicted about the war and yet having to participate in it. I hope you are able to find peace somehow.
What was your question the other day about my concern only being about my husband’s job or something like that.
Help me to understand then (none / 1)
how you don’t support this illegal occupation except for your husbands job? I am not being snotty I just want to know.
Frodo failed…Bush has got the ring.
by alohaleezy on Tue Jan 30th, 2007 at 02:40:19 PM EST
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And you never answered it Tracy.
It’s not illegal in America and that is the law we live and function under. If you want it to be an illegal occupation perhaps you need to focus your energies on working towards that goal instead of attacking law abiding citizens. That seems to make a whole lot more sense to me, common sense.
when the government lies to go to war. It just hasn’t been charged yet. It will someday.
Cuz it ain’t going to happen and all the soldiers know that. Break the military law on this war and you go all the way.
I listened to a very compelling interview on NPR yesterday – one of those where you sit in your driveway to finish it. Some woman who was vehemently against the war and her son informs her that he joined the army. The host asked her how hard it was to support him and not support the war. She said it wasn’t hard at all. She loves her son and supports all the decisions he makes. He explained to her that while he opposes the way we got into this war, things are a mess right now and he feels a responsibility to help bring Iraq back. He feels that by going now he can save lives later. You can disagree with him, and with his mom for supporting him while protesting and lobbying against the war, but in the end it’s a private family decision and I respect that.
You have never bashed the soldiers or my family in any way and I deeply appreciate that right now more than I can ever express here. And you go to peace vigils too…..you are a good soul…….you are good people. Thank You for everything you do! You are very true, decent, honest, caring, and fair. Thank You!
You have never bashed the soldiers or my family in any way and I deeply appreciate that right now more than I can ever express here. And you go to peace vigils too…..you are a good soul…….you are good people. Thank You for everything you do! You are very true, decent, honest, caring, and fair. Thank You!
I have followed all the diaries over this long time and truthfully I don’t agree with you, you have chosen to interpret it in that way and to make it personal against you and I have witnessed this over and over again. You then lash out with the most devestating attacks I can imagine and often wonder if you speak like this to those around you.
Supers comments to you in that or any other thread certainly do not warrent such comments, such as you have made over and over again,you say you are leaving and never coming back and then there you are again and it is always just a matter of time before it happens again. I have also noted the same type of comments from you directed at me and all the others you have mentioned.
For a long time most here tried to comfort you until they were lashed out at and then gave up.
Tracy what are you trying to gain by all of this.
My husband works hard to make sure it stays that way. What do you care what I have to gain from anything? Yes, and I just lashed out for no reason. It didn’t have anything to do with Janet being misleading about the soldiers and who was coming forward to speak out against Iraq or the fact that anybody who goes AWOL goes to jail. NO, it didn’t have anything to do with someone making up fairytales that you wanted to believe so much that you got mad at me for wanting them corrected. You would rather idolize a liar than just live and work with the plain simple common truth and maybe actually do some good for someone. I don’t care if you ever “tried” to comfort me. I’m sorry it wasn’t something that you really didn’t have your heart in, and that’s okay…….I’m not sure I need comfort anyhow. I just need the truth about things to be said, known, spread around. It would be nice if anybody here would just desire the truth about the military, maybe the whole truth instead of just what was sensationalized and the murderous and the enraging. It is good form though that someone within a military family is willing to point this stuff out to you guys.
I see a lot of railing and ranting back and forth, but what is your point?
get over yourself. You think you are THE only military family suffering? Tell that to the 3100 dead soldiers families. Tell that to the 25,000 wounded and maimed for life soldiers families. Your husband isn’t the only soldier. Find some help to cope with your position with the military if they are so GD good to you and your husband. Enough is enough.
But what do you care. It’s okay and fine with you people just lie about all of them. Once again I think your time would best be spent getting this war declared illegal than attacking and promoting the attacking of the military.
Baloney, you have raised yourself to the head truth teller of all time…defender of all that you perceive to be the truth…I know you don’t care what I say, that is obvious, and I still want to know why are you still posting after what you said on DK yesterday…oh yeah, you are the holder of the truth of all things.
That is utter nonsense.
God you sound like a Republican. If it weren’t for your husband I wouldn’t be free? Give me a flipping break.
I am curious why you are still posting on this site after what you wrote on DK yesterday about how horrible this site is to you.
Diane, fwiw I’ve found it best to ignore these two and let them have at it instead of stirring up the pot.
And blowing all the abuse off so the next time a military family member posts something here about their brother being just killed in Iraq someone here doesn’t post something disgusting to them again, and maybe takes just a moment to have a little respect. Why do you care so much what I do? What the hell does it matter to you? When did it start mattering to you and why should I care? It isn’t as if you care about me or my family or anything like that.
Tracy, you are so full of it I cannot respond….I have just as much right as you seem to have to post comments and to make my queries…you are a disrupting force on this site with your high and mighty attitude.
You ask me questions. I answer them and then I’m disrupting and high and mighty. I guess you just really don’t like the answers so now there must some new flaw found.
Gee Tracy, I have never yet even with all the crap you pull on this site given you a low rating.
FWIW I guess you might say I come from a military family as well as you, my ex husband, father, uncle and many more in my family have served, I have never bashed the military, except for the leadership and more than that I have never bashed your husband for serving. So what’s up with this.
and insisting that I’m making all this up. Just fabricating abusive things out of thin air. You know, MaryB isn’t an idiot and she sees it. She also thinks I’m being very stupid for even saying jack to all of you and she’s probably right. I’m just unwilling to wear the hairshirt for any of you right now.
Tracy, some poor deluded soul has posted a diary about Lt. Watada. Now I know how you feel about him and his willingness to go AWOL as you always make him a central part of your abuse of Janet, so please, make a beeline over to the diary and set Jim straight.
We await your words of wisdom.
http://www.boomantribune.com/?op=displaystory;sid=2007/2/2/122154/2919
No wonder I feel so frustrated here. I have said this repeatedly time and again. I support Lt Watada. This house supports Lt. Watada. Every soldier though is not Lt. Watada. Lt. Watada does not have a wife and children. He measured what he could sacrifice and he chose this route. Other soldiers though that are anti Iraq war are making different choices and they deserve their truth to be known fully and to be respected as well. Jimstaro understands all this all too well. He respects every soldier equally and knows the many many routes that soldiers take to end a war. Jimstaro is who led me to buy the video Sir No Sir and that is what that movie is about. I’m sorry you never took the time to ever understand anything I said. I’m sorry Diane never did and I’m sorry that Leezy never did.
Diane never did? Oh Tracy, where is your head. Never, never , never did I say I did not understand, what I have always objected to where you are concerned is your horrible insults and language and your insistence that people were attacking you for your military involvement.
People can wish for one thing without condemning the other.
This whole war, this site, these people, these diaries are not about you alone, they are about all of us.
I do not hate you tracy, I felt very close to you at one time, tried to be of help to you, we even exchanged words of love and conversation in ages past. I simply do not countenance your use of expletives and invective to attack others,nor do I countenance that attitude in others. Frankly I do not believe that swearing in blogs does anyone any good and I have said that many times.
Shirl reminded me today of how we all felt about our friends and relatives going to Vietnam and fighting for that cause, which is just like this cause in Iraq. I do not condemn soldiers, nor did I back then, nor contrary to what is commonly written today, and pretty much debunked, did most of the country. We simply felt powerless to stop the deaths and sad that so many had to die to make the point..
Further, that loss in Vietnam had an effect on my generation, so many possible mates and real mates plus fathers, brothers, sons and daughters for so many people were lost in that war and we are sad to see it happen again. I knew many that were thus affected. I also knew men who shot themselves in the foot to avoid serving. I’ve known men afflicted with the end results of Agent Orange and it isn’t pretty.
I am against war, all wars, and pray that some day civilization will come to the place were it is seen for what it is, a horrible waste of life and treasure. That men have to die for this!
Talk about truth known fully, I wonder how many of readers of this site were alive in Vietnam era to know whereof I speak.
Each person has to make up their own mind how they will go about this life and it is not for me to say!
Then shall we just agree that it would be better for everyone if an active duty family member wasn’t part of this community because such a thing isn’t desired by the majority of the community? As far as soldiers not being abused during the Vietnam War, Mary Julia had an excellent diary up at DK where she was part of the protests and saw and heard lots of insults dished out to the soldiers…….but everybody is too ashamed of what they did now to admit it.
Why Tracy, thanks for asking.
Actually, I was banned for one comment where I asked Armando if he was THREATENING TO OUT ME.
Within minutes Armando (supposedly not still an admin according to him) zapped that comment and me along with it.
Deliciously ironic isn’t it?
Thanks for playing Tracy, I suggest you stop repeating lies as well.
had to take care of on her blog that you did? I did read those comments between them pertaining to you. I wonder why Armando would have appeared to be threatening to out you? I wonder what made him go to that place because that’s really unusual for him after what he went through being outed? He is sort of emotional like I am and sometimes we make threats when really we should just act speedily in our own best interests.
Wonder away Tracy, I have no interest in enlightening you to something that is none of your business.
But no, I never shared anything that wasn’t in the public domain, and I’ll leave it at that and bid you adieu.
for asking a question.
Because it was a lie and none of your business… oh, and it was also trolling. Hence the troll rating.
Whatever though
You repeated the lie you “heard” (where did you hear it, do you have a link, or did Armando send you one of his “I’ve got some dirt to share” emails?) to troll this site and stir up more shit.
Plain and simple.
So I asked. Leezy gets to ask questions of me and that’s okay. Why can’t I get to ask questions too?
btw, do you not have anything nice to say about Al Gore? He’s up for the Peace Prize you know. Or did you not read the diary and just show up here based on my UID?
Trolling at its finest.
find this diary worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize nominee. That’s just an opinion though. I don’t think Al Gore would be amused at the way you think it’s okay to treat American soldiers and their families right now either. He was their Commander in Chief ya know.
Really, the diary isn’t worthy? How funny, it’s right on topic and includes a quote. It’s your trolling of this thread that is unworthy. And once more spreading lies about what I think about American soldiers. And with that, troll, you get a recipe and a zero.
Troll escarole pizza
3 lb escarole (about 3 heads), tough outer ribs discarded and leaves thinly sliced (20 cups loosely packed)
1 lb pizza dough at room temperature
6 tablespoons olive oil
5 garlic cloves, finely chopped
10 oz chilled Italian Fontina, coarsely grated (2 cups)
Put oven rack in lowest position and preheat oven to 500°F. Lightly oil cake pan.
Cook escarole in a 6- to 8-quart pot of boiling salted water, uncovered, until tender, 5 to 10 minutes. Drain in a colander, then immerse colander in a large bowl of ice water to stop cooking. Drain again and press gently to remove excess water. Transfer escarole to a large kitchen towel, then gather corners and twist tightly to wring out as much liquid as possible.
Cut off one third of dough (keep remaining dough covered with plastic wrap) and pat into cake pan, covering bottom. Brush with 1 tablespoon oil and prick all over with a fork. Bake until golden, 8 to 10 minutes. Let crust stand in pan on a rack.
Meanwhile, heat 1/4 cup oil in a 12-inch heavy skillet over moderately high heat until hot but not smoking, then sauté garlic, stirring occasionally, until golden, about 30 seconds. Add escarole, 1/4 teaspoon salt, and 1/4 teaspoon pepper and sauté, stirring, until escarole is coated with oil, about 4 minutes. Transfer to a large shallow bowl to cool slightly, about 15 minutes, then stir in cheese.
Spread escarole filling over crust in pan, leaving a 1/4-inch border around edge. Roll out remaining dough into a 10-inch round (on a lightly floured board if it sticks). Transfer to pan, covering filling and tucking edge under bottom crust to form a flat top and completely enclose filling (stretch dough if necessary). Press edges to seal. Brush top with remaining tablespoon oil and bake until golden brown, 15 to 20 minutes.
Run a sharp thin knife around edge of pan. Invert a rack over pan and, wearing oven mitts and holding pan and rack firmly together, flip pizza onto rack. Turn pizza right side up and cool 15 minutes before serving. Slide pizza onto a cutting board and cut into wedges.
I’m not sure what is going on here, but on this particular fact, I feel like I can weigh in….
Tracy
I have tried to stay on the sidelines as much as possible for this whole thing. I am trying to be understanding. But I have to troll rate this comment.
There is no reason that some casual reader passing through, wanting to read a diary about Al Gore, should be subjected to yet another of these off topic arguments between you and spiderleaf.
You could have easily gone and asked this question in one of the other threads that has already been left a smoldering ruin, but you chose to come into spiderleaf’s diary and move the argument here.
I hope you guys can eventually come to some peace between you, even if that means just completely ignoring one another. I admit I am not optimistic of this at this point, but stranger things have happened.
There’s other news?
I understand that it was only by some fluke that Al Gore was not born in Canada.
Excuse me? Where did I say that? In fact, I believe I said “we’re far from perfect” did I not? Did I also not have a comment in dada’s thread where I detailed how horribly repressive Ontario was in the ’90’s under our conservative premier?
Right, I did.
Are you reading tea leaves or something?
No, seriously, I read some odd bit about his mother going over to Canada for lunch and not realizing she was in labor for awhile.
Seriously? Yikes, thanks SN, sorry I took your comment as snark.
Well, I’m glad he wasn’t… being in the Senate helped him become the person he is today on Global Warming… and up for the Peace Prize no less!
why do the comments that I see in recent comments not appear when I open this diary?
Can I respond? (not sure I want to, but am confused)Where did they go?
go to your comment preferences and set it so you can see hidden comments.
that didn’t work — I guess like spiderleaf says, I am not a “trusted user” — what is that? Is that when I get to see a zero rating?
Hi bogo bear. First, don’t take the last 48hours as an indication of what BT is about. Welcome.
You get TU when you’ve had enough comments rated a 4 and then you “get” to see hidden comments. Usually there aren’t any, but the past few days people are in the middle of a tit for tat thing just like in jr. high.
Yeah, after you accumulate a certain amount of ‘mojo’ (positive ratings on your comments) you will become a trusted user. This will allow you to rate comments with a “0 – Mega Troll” rating, and to see hidden comments.
I hear you guys are in for some arctic air around the great lakes this weekend. Time for a bahamas trip? Jamaica?
Yeah, we have a forecasted high of 5 on Sunday.
That’s 5. Fahrenheit. High.
In 3 weeks I’ll be off to Spain, does that count? 😀
Spain counts if it’s above 5 degrees.
I’m planning to join my husband on a ‘business’ trip to Paris, then take a train to Prague and Budapest in May or June. I’m so excited! I’ve never been out of the country.
but I’m very jealous. What a trip. I hope you have the time of your life!
Oh yeah, definitely above 5. It’ll be at least 10 times that.
Wow, your first trip out of the U.S.? How exciting! You’ll have a great time. I’ve never been to any of the places you’re going, but they’re all high on my list for when I eventually go and backpack across Europe.
Good for you SN. I think you’ll really enjoy Europe.
ah, they would be hidden since the first comment by Tracy has 2 zeros. Once you’re a TU you can see them. Sorry… but feel free to respond unthreaded if you’d like.
I am comfortable in my confusion at this point…;)
No worries. Just responding to your thought expressing your desire to reply to someone. Believe me, I completely understand why you wouldn’t want to 🙂
Sheila Watt-Cloutier …
Just thought you all should know in case I can’t respond to comments any more.
I’m about to get banned for pissing him off because I’m denying an assertion he is making without proof.
But Tracy is golden.
I’ll respond to Boo’s comment and then it’s up to him what happens next.
It’s been great knowing a whole bunch of you.
I don’t run around cooking up something I think might be revealing about someone’s personal life and then throwing it up on blogs when I’m pissed. How does my name even come up in this?
Stop making stuff up Tracy. I posted a link to a picture, nothing more. BooMan is making accusations without proof, just like you do. No wonder you get along with him so well.
What it has to do with you is that you are an abusive prick who has smeared, insulted and bullied many people here for months now, which is a clear violation of site rules. If you were anyone else you would have been banned long ago. But you’re not, you are Tracy – CabinGirl’s best friend and evidently really good friends with Martin.
It just shows the complete and utter hypocrisy of the site owner.
That’s what it has to do with you.
me right down to your toes Spiderleaf and it wasn’t ever destined that you and I would ever be friends. I don’t wish you ill though. I do know what troubles my soul on my long days and do my best with it, not always perfect. Nobody is making anything up though on the issue at hand. I’m sorry, I feel for you right now. It isn’t my stuff though. This is all yours. I don’t know why you have been doing all this outing stuff, I know you are really mad….that’s about all I know. You have been doing this stuff though these past few days or been part of doing this stuff these past few days and I don’t know why. It isn’t about me though.
Stop lying Tracy and we’ll be able to communicate. I did not out anyone.
Yup. If you lie and smear someone with no proof it is troll worthy.
comments about all this stuff as possible. And that’s sad. MaryB is right. There really isn’t any way I could really ever have a toe to toe slug out with you…..I have never even sat down to figure out half of how you fight snotty dirty online. All I know how to do is cuss and act classless.
Just so you know Tracy, this is what happened.
Ductape wrote that diary about the troops about the same time that spidey found out who I was dating. Everyone knew that you were friends with her. Spidey thought I was giving you deferential treatment because it would make my girlfriend happy.
She told catnip about our relationship and catnip wrote me a snide email accusing me of the same thing.
I went ballistic. I accused supersoling of passing around personal information about me. He denied it and was totally convincing.
If you remember, I banned no one in that entire incident. Nevertheless, many people left, including you and spiderleaf.
Then, when you came back, she again accuses me of giving you preferential treatment in deference to my girlfriend. She sees a photo that Manny took in DC that had her hand on my knee and she posts it as evidence of my bias. But she claims that this is the first she’s heard of us dating each other.
Cute, isn’t it?
Bullshit. Stop making stuff up BooMan. You have no proof. I told you I did not repeatedly. You have no proof. Stop lying about me to fit whatever storyline you want it to.
put out there. Spiderleaf, this isn’t the first “outing” thing you have been implicated in recently. Your name keeps coming up lately in all of this outing stuff. It seems that you are very angry about bullies. I’m sorry that you felt like I bullied you before. I was very hypersensitive then and I probably did. I’m sorry. I have struck out at others when I felt deeply hurt by things that are affiliated with this huge painful sore heart I have right now. I love my husband more than I love anything other than my children. I waited such a long time to meet him and know him. I know Martin hates being ornery to anyone. I know you can talk all this through with him and he won’t hurt you if you should choose to do that.
Really? Did you happen to read Nanette’s comment oh wise one?
I’m waiting for apologies for smearing my name from you, BooMan and CabinGirl.
http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2007/1/31/92351/1735#107
here other than to say that you have to be responsible for what you do and I have to be responsible for doing what I do. Being hurt and angry about abuse and cussing online is much different than outing bloggers. Much Much different and we all know this around here……it’s right out of the bloggers Bible that we don’t out.
Almost like you wish to hide more comments from as many eyes as possible.
Nope. You’re a troll so you get a troll rating. You trolled this thread and continue to do so, hence the ratings. Thems the rules.
Half of the comments are off my screen.
They have spun lies about me.
4, that I attacked a diary about a woman whose brother was killed.
5. that my diaries are filled with lies.
I posted the quotes from soldiers who had resisted and it turned out those soldiers were retired or dishcarged something I didn’t realize at the time. And made it like I was trying to be deceitful.
I will go to Ft. Lewis and support the troops and their families so that they can have a voice, an opportunity and come home.
I think it’s really sad that so many in this community had to undergo so much drama.
I think so many wanted me and Tracy to be joined at the hip. The same. We’re both wives of military men, we both have disabled children…
But we both are very different. We’re different in how we handle things, approach things and even in our demeanor. Not better, not worse… just difrerent.
I can’t possibly protest the war in every way that there is to do so. When you look at the whole picture it becomes overwhelming. Even with CP activities. So I’ve focused. And I think for me protesting the recruiting stations, supporting the war resistors like Swift, Watada and all the others who have shown up to turn themselves in while at events. Like in Seattle when some arrived.
I’m not a mean person, and I’m not one of these people who can even follow this drama stuff. All I know is that I didn’t change into some mean, evil troll who arrives to bash and bait anyone.
I’m me. I always have been.
I left Booman because I knew there was a community here that Tracy needs. I didn’t even write a GBCW diary. I simply left. I know she’s having a hard time. I know she needed this place far more than I did. She needed the strength from the fabulous people here. But I didn’t need the bashing and I have always refused to engage with her because I feel so much pain for her.
I do NOT demonize the troops, I do not expect tracy’s husband to go aWol…
I’m the same person you all knew. When I march or go to events… I’m surrounded by peace activists and anti-war activists and they all are doing things in their own way. DIVERSITY WITHOUT DIVISION. I’m surrounded by veterans of so many wars. One man is even a VFP from WW2. The point is… I’m surrounded.
Because it’s not about me, or them or anyone else. It’s about stopping a war. It’s about finding ways to help our soldiers and marines find a way out of this nightmare, a way to support our troops and their families, a way to heal the Iraq families.
and for me… this is just one of the way I can do this. To support the war resistors. It’s just one of the things me and my family focus on doing.
This spring I will be going to a refugee camp in Jordan. I would not ask or expect others to this either.
It’s just something I must do. Some focus on the environment, some focus on poverty/healthcare… there is so much to do.
I wish you all love, peace and the strength to do what you feel is needed to do to help heal this planet.
That is THE MOST eloquent comment I have seen here in days. Thank you Janet for being you and staying true to that beautiful person that you are. Lots of love girl!
And Janet…before you take your leave, you need to post this comment somewhere else where it will be seen. It is, imho worthy of a diary. Please?
This site has TURNED INTO dKos!!!
Nice work, folks.
Neeeeext….
AG
AG, I’m with you once more. What the hell is going here? What can we do stop this?
Give a shout-out.
If BooMan bans me then I guess it will stop. I’ll go away since I am obviously the biggest problem here.
I’m not sure what Al Gore has done to deserve a Peace Prize. Maybe I don’t uderstand what the criteria are, but I expected it to have something to do with Peace. Did Gore do a little free-lance diplomancy that I missed? What’s up?
From what I gather it is all about making a difference globally.
From Wikipedia:
Unlike the other Nobel Prizes, the Nobel Peace Prize may be awarded to persons or organizations that are in the process of resolving an issue, or creating world peace rather than upon the resolution of the issue.
An environmentalist won in 2004 iirc.
I thought this was supposed to be about Al Gore and the wonderful honor of being nominated for a Peace Prize?
wow, way to go!…turning a thread, that should have been about recognizing the accomplishments and honoring one of the most articulate voices and proponents of environmentalism, into a continuation of your inane pissing match.
do us all a favor and take it off-line, or over here…it’s right next door to Uncle Bud’s, so you can get shit-faced and sing karaoke if/when you run out of vitriol.
they take their fight to the Personal Abuse Club.
If they won’t, we may have top start troll rating each and every hi-jacking.
Holy smoke, this site has gone to hell in the six months I was gone… Bye bye Booman Tribune.
Hi there, missed reading all your great diaries.
Damn. It was usually a good read. Good to see your name again. Paz.