Here is exhibit 3,227 as to why torturing is really, really, REALLY bad:
An Iranian diplomat, freed this week after being abducted in Iraq, accused the CIA of torturing him during his two-month detention, Iranian state television reported Saturday.
The United States immediately denied any involvement in the Iranian’s disappearance or release.
See, here is the problem – even if we are to believe that, in this instance, the US is telling the truth, the Iranian diplomat is lying through his teeth and there was absolutely no torture or “coercive interrogation techniques”, there is still a question as to who is right and who is wrong here (in terms of the facts).
Let me put it in a more sobering way: because there is so much documented evidence of torture by the United States – whether it is in Iraq, Gitmo, Afghanistan, any of the secret CIA torture prisons that were operated in Poland and Europe or any of the countries that the US rendered suspects to in order to have them tortured – because the US has participated in and condoned torture, we don’t get the benefit of the doubt anymore when it comes to whether we actually did torture someone..
Needless to say, this is a horrible sign on so many levels. Because of the sadistic members of the Bush administration, there is now a cloud of doubt (and certainly no sympathy for the United States) over what may very well be an inaccurate accusation by a diplomat of a country with a leader who is just as ideologically crazy as (but much smarter than) our leader at a time where tensions between these two countries is way higher than it should be.
Regardless of what actually transpired between the UK and Iran with the “non-negotiation” and release of the 15 hostages, Iran showed that, even if it did what it did, it is still a step above the United States when it comes to diplomacy. And while that may not seem to count for much, it counts for a lot in the eyes of many countries (as well as people) around the world.
There once was a time where nobody would DARE to accuse the United States of torture. There once was a time when the CIA had documents that specifically outlined and outlawed behaviors that were most definitely considered to be torture. There once was a time when the US didn’t export torture to other countries.
There once was a time when the Executive Branch did not draft document after document after document after document trying to justify war crimes and torture. There once was a time when Congress wouldn’t pass laws that would strip people of their basic rights.
Sadly, that time has long since passed.
And now, we are left with accusations of torture by a diplomat of Iran. Accusations that may be true, they may be false. At this point, it is really the diplomat’s word against the word of the CIA, and the United States.
Because of the actions taken, documents drafted, laws changed, and lack of any meaningful ramifications against those who not only did the torturing, but authorized and condoned it, the United States is left in a very precarious position.
Most of the world either doesn’t believe that the Iranian diplomat wasn’t tortured, or doesn’t have any sympathy for the US if the diplomat is lying. Both of those viewpoints are very telling. And they show how far the United States has fallen in the eyes of the world, and the eyes of many of its’ own citizens.
This is yet another black eye to the US and its’ standing in the world community. We are no better than those regimes that the Bush administration preaches about as examples of “the enemy”.
Make no mistake, there is an enemy out there. But there is also an enemy within. And this enemy within has done far more damage to this country over the past 6 years than the enemy without has.
I originally posted this at Orange on Sat nite, but there was a recent post here, so I didn’t want to overlap.
I wasn’t around much except for a bit yesterday late afternoon, so I will repost this now, and if there is space later, the post I did during my free moments last night (and when I posted that one, there was also a recent post here….so much for timing)
poll after poll shows how far the U.S. has dropped in the eyes of the world.
Yes you are quite right. The current US administration has a rather nasty record on human rights issues. By condoning torture they have lost much of their credibility on this issue and could arguably be categorized together with some other autocratic states.
The Abu Ghraib incident and the Gitmo stories have made me take into account the possibility that prisoners who accuse the US of torture might very well be right. Torture ought to be condemned irregardless of the perpetrator, be it the US or some other state.
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When this routine of a U.S. intelligence official is used by the media, there is usually some truth to the incident.
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."Actually there was documented proof of torture used long before the Bush II administration. Secret documents unearthed during the Iranian revolution showed, for example, that the CIA had trained the Iranian secret police in torture techniques, and records made by Human Rights Watch of the victims of the SHah’s torture chambers show that American-speaking “contractors” were present. The US simply evaded the ban on torture using various legal tricks – but in the end torture is torture.
Similarly, documents obtained from the School of the Americas at Ft. Benning Ga., show that that the US trained Latin American death squads in “neutralizing” political enemies: http://mediafilter.org/guest/Pages/September.21.1996.23.26.32
On the torture issue, the only thing Bush did was make it a more widely-known fact. The veil of “plausible deniability” has fallen on a lot of things since Bush came to power – we know that our gov’t tortures people, that elections are rigged, that Congress and the courts can’t act as a check on the President, that the Executive can simply ignore the Constitution and sacred rights such as Habeas Corpus and Trial by Jury can be simply pushed aside, that Attorney Generals can happily ignore int’l law, that AIPAC lobbyists and agents of a foreign power can waltz into our Department of Defense, that our military can engage in domestic spying and subject even US citizens to its kangaroo court jurisdiction, that people can be held idefinitely without charge based on “secret evidence” that even a judge can’t see, etc etc etc.
Yes folks, that ‘s what the US has been reduced to.