It’s hard to believe that Camille Paglia teaches at the same university as Chuck Pennacchio. She has truly jumped the shark. I mean, look at some of these explanations she gives the Times of London for why Cho Seung-hui went on a rampage at Virginia Tech.
Paglia, who has taught in American universities for 35 years, describes America’s residential campuses as vast “islands of green and slack conformity where a strange benevolent and tyrannical paternalism has taken over. It’s like a resort atmosphere”.
Paglia believes the school Cho attended would have been no better equipped to deal with frustrated young males. “There is nothing happening educationally in these boring prisons that are fondly called suburban high schools. They are saturated with a false humanitarianism, which is especially damaging for boys.
And:
“Young men have enormous energy. There was a time when they could run away, hop on a freighter, go to a factory and earn money, do something with their hands. Now there is this snobbery of the upper-middle-class professional. Everyone has to be a lawyer or paper pusher.”
Cho is a classic example of “someone who felt he was a loser in the cruel social rat race”, Paglia says. The pervasive hook-up culture at college, where girls are prepared to sleep with boys they barely know or fancy, can be a source of seething resentment and alienation for those who are left out.
“Young women now seem to want to behave like men and have sex without commitment. The signals they are giving are very confusing, and rage and humiliation build up in boys who are spurned again and again.”
The sex, Paglia argues, “is everywhere but it is not erotic”, as can be seen by the sad spectacle of Lindsay Lohan and Britney Spears flashing their lack of underwear during a night on the town. “It’s not even titillating. It’s banal and debasing.”
What the fuck does this even mean? I don’t doubt that Cho would have been less inclined to murder over two dozen of his classmates if he had been getting a few benefits along with his friendships, but the poor guy didn’t even have any friendships. Are we going to blame the slack morals of female co-eds now for every guy that can’t get laid and goes on to massacre people? Seriously, wouldn’t the answer to that be even more slack morals in women so no guy gets left out of the fun?
The promiscuity that Cho saw in women was “a huge warning sign”, Paglia believes. “You want them, you want the status of being seen with them, you’re driven towards them and at the same time they are contaminated, they are dirty. That’s exactly the mentality of the stalker and assassin played by Robert De Niro in Taxi Driver. There is an apocalyptic impulse to destroy everything and to purify the world.”
This analysis is baffling. Taxi Driver as social science? I get irritated by analysis that takes the blame away from the perpetrator and puts it on the victims. Was Robert DeNiro (Travis Bickle) right to take Cybil Shepherd (Betsy) to a porno on their first date and then react to his rejection by trying to kill Senator Charles Palantine? I know Bickle was screwed up by his time in Vietnam, but are we going to blame Vietnam or are we going to insist that there is no excuse for trying to assassinate a Senator?
We can try to explain what led Cho to murder. But no explanation is complete without taking into account the brain inside Cho’s head. Countless other people have been alienated in the same ways, taunted in the same ways, even provoked in the same ways…and have not committed an atrocity in response. So…it’s the cookie cutter, glorified high school aspects of Virginia Tech that are to blame? It’s the casual sex that is to blame?
This child, Cho, was a maladjusted kid from the get-go.
The family was already worried about Cho, then eight years old. Soon after arriving in America he was diagnosed with autism. “He was very quiet and only followed his mother and father around but never showed any feelings or emotions,” his great-aunt said. His parents were too poor and busy trying to scrape a new life together to get specialist help for Cho.
Do you think this could be solved by a few mercy fucks? Do you think he would have been fine if no one he knew was experiencing sex?
For Paglia, places like Virginia Tech have ‘green and slack conformity’. What’s does that mean, and what does it explain? She says Tech has ‘a strange benevolent and tyrannical paternalism’. How can something be simultaneously benevolent and tyrannical? And what does that explain?
Paglia seems to be saying that Cho saw a lot of guys getting laid without a whole lot of effort and he couldn’t deal with his inability to get some for himself. Yet, the guy wouldn’t even talk to his roommates. Don’t you think his problems ran a little deeper that whether or not he was able to score?
The guy was diagnosed as autistic (why, or whether that was a good diagnosis, I don’t know). He was anti-social. He wrote plays filled with hatred for his teachers…plays that indicated that he might have been a victim of sexual abuse…
In Richard McBeef, a drama about child abuse, a stepson rants, “I will not be molested by an aging, balding, overweight pedophile [sic] stepdad named Dick”, before threatening to shove the television remote control “up his ass”. It concludes: “I hate him. Must kill Dick. Must kill Dick. Dick must die. Kill Dick.”
And he was taunted (by guys). He was made an object of ridicule (by guys). Might not that have had something to do with his anger?
But wait. Paglia saves her most inane analysis for last.
“This is part of the plague that has come with the drug culture in the inner cities,” she says. “Cho’s use of semi-automatic weapons can ultimately be traced back to gangsta rap. It is a fabrication of urban life which is sold to teenagers trapped in the utterly sterile shopping-mall culture of the American suburbs.”
It’s Ice Cube’s fault.
Cho had plenty to deal with as it is from his difficulties in communication (whether it was autism or Asperger’s or something else I wouldn’t hazard a diagnosis) to the stress that comes with adjusting to a different culture to the bullying he apparently experienced. Sadly, such information would be likely ignored by Paglia who is fancied as a “serious” scholar in some circles.
Even as a conservative feminist, her vaunted expertise isn’t an inch thick. I think that her initial fans have long since faded off…
The lying likes of that stick Ann Coulter has made Cammie Fay Paglia (my name for her) pale in comparison (and notoriety). Cammie Fay, on a panel with her, would have to talk to her about gaybaiting.
I’ve never been too dazzled by the likes of Steinem myself, but I would choose her over this creature hands down.
There have been two essays where I’ll admit that she’s been either on the money or almost there: on Princess Diana before her death, and on John F. Kennedy Jr., after his. She’s good on how myth and celebrity can mingle in this modern age.
But anything else, no.
She’s been like Ishmael Reed going off on feminists: she doesn’t know what the fuck she’s talking about on her favorite subject, but when she’s off subject,
she has moments of brilliance
where one truly thinks she’s missed her calling.
When she goes after black women (like Anita Hill for example), hoo-boy. Don’t let me reach for the Ipecac.
If nothing else, I knew folks in grad school who swore by her (never really could understand why). ‘Fraid she always came across to me as one of the ruling elites’ court jesters.
It seems like if you seem “daring” to “slay” some type of orthodoxy–real or imagined, and 99.9% of it is imagined–you are considered “fearless” and are to be pushed and promoted by those allergic to social justice…or just common sense.
So how many other homicidal maniacs will be stopped if only they get laid? Are we going to have a class of comfort women to ensure the security of the nation?
Stupid is as stupid does.
Normal people do not shoot up their schools. Something deeply pathological was going on with Cho.
She’s almost as delusional as he was. She’s lashing out at things that have nothing to do with the problem. And blaming gangsta rap for the easy availability of guns is downright hilarious. That problem lies squarely at the feet of the NRA. Insofar as there’s popular culture behind it, it’s the overwelmingly white rural/redneck culture.
Paglia “jumped the shark” the first time she made the national news.
She’s never had anything even remotely intelligent to say on any subject but became a media darling for her willingness to play the “liberal” anti-feminist.
Like “Dr. Laura” (Schlessinger), whose Ph.d is in Physiology, but pontificates on human behavior, “Dr. Paglia’s” degree is actually in English. Neither is therefore speaking within their field of expertise. Unsurprisingly both women have learned that the media pays you attention when you spew anti-woman clap-trap.
I stand corrected by blksista. Apparently Paglia wrote two intelligent articles (not about those nasty feminists) that I missed.
I held my nose throughout the entire piece that she did for a Brit newspaper about Diana. Afterwards, I had to admit that she had an interesting set of premises, but nothing really to write home about.
The second was published in Salon a couple of days after JFK, Jr. died. What got me was when she said that essentially JFK, Jr. died just hundreds of yards from his mother’s former home on the Vineyard, from what she and other Kennedy hangers-on have said was his own knotheadedness and inherent penchant for recklessness (JFK, Jr., for all his cuteness, also had learning disabilities.)
I could fathom that Carolyn Bessette Kennedy was no day in the park, too by just comparing her blank face to the animated one of Daryl Hannah’s.
…long ago. But I’ll give her credit as a great stylist, probably the best popular writer of the anti-feminist set, one of those women who never sees the irony in the fact that she wouldn’t even have her lucrative megaphone were it not for the fact that the feminists she excoriates paved the way for her.
she was always jumping up and down at feminist confabs wanting the mike and was shown the door all the time. There’s video somewhere about one conference she crashed. Steinem is on one panel, telling her she’s as off as her theory.
Cammie Fay grabbed the (hah!) conservative ascendancy by its coattails, and while her 15 minutes have long since been up, she’s still trying to headline with some dredge.
Go home, Cammie Fay. Go home.
I find it deeply ironic and, well, fucked up that a woman “scholar” who used to (wrongly) bash feminists as being anti-sex is now blaming young women’s free sexuality for a massacre.
Here’s what it means to me – “I am wise, I am expert, I get lots of money for using big words to express esoteric concepts, I am vastly superior to most females.” I me me mine.
Camille’s message doesn’t surprise me. It was the kind of narrative given to me over and over again in my life.
I remember in fifth grade, Sister Mary Ursula, announced that I would no longer be able to wear sweaters to class. Apparently my growing lovely lady lumps were way too distracting for the boys in my class — and that apparently was my responsibility not theirs.
A few years ago, my 15 year old niece was getting ready to go to church camp. She wanted my opinion on the swim suit she had chosen. It was a one-piece black number, that couldn’t begin to hide how stunningly beautiful she was. She said it was necessary for her not to look to sexy, because she didn’t want to make the boys sin by having sexual thoughts about her.
The whole burkha thing puts responsibility on women because men aren’t “able” to control their sexual impulses.
It sounds shocking when Paglia flat out states such things, but the messages are pervasive.
In this world, women have a choice of being called a prick-teaser or a ball-buster — at least until they reach about 50 or 60. Then they disappear entirely.
So very true….and depressing in that it’s a record that keeps playing and playing and playing…
I had to take two semesters of a mandatory course taught by Paglia when I was in college. A strange experience to say the least. One of the more peculiar experiences happened in the second semester. My cousin had just been murdered and his funeral was on the same day as Paglia’s class. She had some sort of an absurd attendance policy, the details of which I can’t recall at the moment, but I did have to get her to excuse my absence in order maintain my grade. She insisted that I bring some type of proof that I had attended the funeral, which is a fairly unusual request. I kept thinking, “what the fuck does she want, a picture?” I wound up having to go to the Dean and get him to excuse it.
she probably sensed that you were some kind of liberal with violent desires to go mall shopping in the suburbs and just wanted to hassle you.
I hadn’t thought about it that way. Now that you mention it, I probably did look like the kind of kid who felt he was a loser in the cruel social rat race of, um, art school. I mean, really, how could she be expected to believe that a youth raised in an utterly sterile shopping-mall culture wouldn’t use a young cousin’s violent death as an excuse to go to the mall and pick up some Schoolly D? I should probably send her an apology.
Yeah. She had you pegged. And that was long before all these loose women suddenly arrived on the scene to increase our sexual frustration. You should definitely apologize.
The loose women are surely the tipping point. I’m old and tired and broken now, but were I a younger man, the frustration would be unreal. I mean, not only would I use the occasion of a tragedy to go to the mall and pick up some Schooly D, I’d put on elaborate shadow puppet theater productions dramatizing his lyrics. Shadow puppet theater begats student musical production. Student musical production begats Divertimento for gamelan ensamble. Divertimento for gamelan ensamble begats frivolity. Frivolity begats carnage on a massive scale. Has anybody notified Skippy?
…er, begets. I blame my lousy education.
I blame Camille Paglia.
Who wouldn’t? All told, her class was actually pretty decent for what it was (basically an introduction to Modernism), so maybe it wouldn’t be quite right to blame her. Instead, I’m going to blame you. It’s nice that I can delete my own comments to try and cover up my own stupidity, but why the hell can’t I edit them?
what is she doing teaching modernism anyway? No one says ‘begat’ in modernism. Don’t try to pin this on me.
That’s what she teaches, or did anyway. She might have had another class that had something more to do with her various shticks, but I think she mostly taught Modernism. Every freshman at that school has to take a year of Modernism, so they need a lot of teachers. Maybe somebody saw her in It’s Pat and decided that this was the woman they wanted teaching Modernism classes to drug addled art school freshmen.
Sounds like she’s vying with Pat Robertson for the title of most idiotic remarks.
Quoth the late, lamented Molly Ivins on Camille Paglia:
“There is one area in which I think Paglia and I would agree that politically correct feminism has produced a noticeable inequity. Nowadays, when a woman behaves in a hysterical and disagreeable fashion, we say, “Poor dear, it’s probably PMS.” Whereas, if a man behaves in a hysterical and disagreeable fashion, we say, “What an asshole.” Let me leap to correct this unfairness by saying of Paglia, Sheesh, what an asshole.”
from a rather tasty take-down from Mother Jones c.1991:
I stand corrected by the late greatMolly Ivins about those flashes of brilliance I may have discerned in error.
That’s just what they were.
Flashes.
Molly. Molly. Molly. How we miss thee.
I wish I had even a tenth of her razor wit.
but her comment about the “young men and their enourmous energy” is very correct and true. There is no opportunity for young men to perform in a physical manner, and the orientation these days is strictly for white-collar. There are MANY young men who do not fit into that mold.
I do believe that one big reason why we have a lot of disaffected young men is that manufacturing jobs have mostly gone away and the jobs for people without college degrees are all in the low-paying and low-status “service” sector. Camille Paglia, though — she jumped the shark the first time she put pen to paper as far as I can tell.
for all those goodies on TV…
So it’s either the immigrants’ fault, the bellyaching black folks, the ballbusting women.
What is worse is when people of color internalize this kind of thing when their family or money situation ain’t that good.
In one of my classes, I had one young Asian guy who wrote sci-fi space cadet short stories that featured white guys.
Of course, this was based on his kind of escapist reading when he was in jr. and sr. high school.
They reflected the world of the Fifties, when the only explorers or adventurers–i.e., the people that did things–were white guys.
How did I know they were white guys? Descriptions and settings. The names, the hair color, the out-of-date brashness and jokes. It’s supposed to be in the future, but dang… Not a Fifties future.
I had to ask him in workshop, “There are Asian American astronauts now. There are black and white women astronauts. Couldn’t there have been anyone of color in that spaceship that reflects who you are and where you think you are going?”
GONG! You know, it never occurred to him! He was so blown away on one hand and then angry at me on the other for having poked through his fantasy to be the strong guy…like a white guy, of course.
I wasn’t the only person in the workshop that pointed out this dichotomy.
Just dropping some knowledge about what is in some of these children’s brains.
“There is no opportunity for young men to perform in a physical manner…”
Um, sports?
I had been disenchanted with Salon.com for awhile, but when I saw that Prof. Phony was back, I let my subscription lapse. I’m not going to pay for insane rantings masquerading as analysis. It’s rap’s fault. It’s Brittany’s fault. If those teases had just broke him off a little sumthin, sumthin’ (i.e., if he could just get laid) he wouldn’t have gone on a murderous rampage. Seriously?
What utter crap.
Today’s culture does have many defects. Years ago, people could do things with their hands. Today, few do. Do you know anyone who can build a simple thing like a desk or do other woodwork? This kind of hand skill is no longer taught in Jr. high. I took shop in jr. high (1963-1964) but it is not offered today. The skills that a person has learned at that time are important. Same with other skills. We have replaced the pursuit of skills of the hand with aimless crappy computerized interactions (I do computer stuff to put food on my family, please note).
Shop class in our middle school lasts 6 weeks, and includes mechanical drawing and model rocket building.
I have found that if you want your kids to learn anything useful, it probably won’t happen in the public school, which has become a 9-month string of ‘assessments’ for NCLB.
My 20yo nephew did beautiful woodwork — he and his siblings all were 4-H kids doing all kinds of handicrafts.
For the past several summers, he worked on a construction crew building houses in the Kansas heat. No lack of “outlets” for his youthful energy there.
He shot himself six months ago, with no warning and no explanation.
No one will ever understand why my promising, steady, skilled, likeable nephew killed himself. Likewise, no one will ever really understand why Cho slaughtered 32 people before killing himself. Not pop-culture “scholars” like Paglia, not his own family, and certainly not us.
What a shock to you and your family! I extend my condolences.
When you cannot do anything with your hands, you are unlikely to be innovative mechanically. The era of the shade tree mechanic who can fix a car or at least adjust it is fading somewhat. I have always emphasized to my children the need to be able to do hand things, even if you are a paper-pusher.
Thank you. His death has forced a readjustment of many of my mental and emotional anchors. For one, I am a lot slower now to assume that an unhappy outcome in a kid’s life can always be traced back to their upbringing or family environment. I also am slowly weaning myself off the intellectual conceit of being sure that, with enough information and truth-seeking, every social problem could be solved or at least correctly understood. The truth is, we understand very little about most of life. More information does not make us wiser, and social theories are not crystal balls.
Sorry if my post felt like a cheap shot or a kneejerk response. I’m not good at writing about this personal tragedy yet, and so many events and encounters seem to bring it to the forefront. I quite agree with you that an education/upbringing that neglects manual skills and practical crafts is woefully lacking, for all kinds of reasons.
I deal with the limits of our ability to understand all the time. And, indeed, we are very limited in our ability to relate cause and effect.
What concerns me about the off-shoring of so much manual labor is that we then off-shore the sources of inspiration and new process. If you work with your hands all the time, you think of new ideas to do new processes. If this is done by some chinese laborer, he will come up with the idea, and we won’t.
I’m sorry about your nephew, songbh. How devastating for people who loved him.
I wouldn’t give her any credit [:<)] but you are so right about this. We’re not taught to make anything because what, really, do we have to manufacture? I’m serious. What does this country make anymore?
Not that I’d blame this for the shooting, but this is an important set of questions. If you want to afford to eat–not to mention the “keeping up with the Joneses lifestyle that is pushed relentlessly (just look at the latest Home Depot/Lowes set of ads–you can’t just buy a lawnmower because the damned grass needs cutting; no, you must buy a lawnmower to keep up w/ Jim next door, who can cut his lawn 22 minutes and brag about it–sheesh!)–then you had better go to college because outside of that, there are few options to actually make enough to raise a family, regardless of sex.
And the people who started out years ago with just a high school education who used to make a decent living but who have seen their jobs go poof? What do you tell a 50 or 60 year old who MUST work? Go retrain for another job? Unfortunately, I’ve seen the faces of people who have gone through that, men and women. It ain’t pretty. And no one seriously deals with this.
She’s a narcissistic, self-satisfied ninny who hasn’t done a hard day’s work in her life.
All Paglia has to offer are her antics and inflated sense of self-importance. I agree with Molly Ivins: the fact that Paglia is taken seriously by certain “intellectuals” (and is given a national platform to publish her rantings in Salon Magazine) just shows our decadent and misbegotten American culture has become.
Paglia’s not an intellectual, she’s not a scholar, she’s a performance artist. Paglia herself summed it up in a 1995 interview with “Reason” magazine:
“I appear out of nowhere…”???? Um…ok. Kind of like Zorro? Only without a black mask and cape?
I too think that she is a self-appointed something or other. I merely point out that the one comment about current culture seems correct and right to me.
Ooops. Sorry to run off on that tangent. But it just got me to thinking about all the other things are country just don’t deal with!
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