Undeterred by the Pope’s implication that he should be excommunicated over his position on abortion, Rudy Guiliani tackled his social liberalism directly yesterday in a speech at Houston Baptist University.
The speech by Mr. Giuliani reflected a decision — other campaigns suggested “gamble” might be a better word — to address head-on a fundamental obstacle to his winning the nomination: his long history as a moderate Northeast Republican in a party increasingly dominated by Southern and Midwestern conservatives.
As someone that lived in the New York City media market for most of Rudy Guiliani’s mayorality, I know about the real Guiliani. I don’t want to debate the real Guiliani. I want to talk about the decision his campaign has now taken to stick to his prior stated positions, and what it will mean if he is successful in winning the nomination.
As a caveat here, we must recognize that Guiliani has flip-flopped over late-term abortions and the Hyde Amendment, so he isn’t sticking entirely to his pro-choice guns. Nonetheless, this is the ground he laid out yesterday.
“Where people of good faith, people who are equally decent, equally moral and equally religious, when they come to different conclusions about this, about something so very very personal, I believe you have to respect their viewpoint,” he said. “You give them a level of choice here.”
Again, I don’t want to debate Guiliani’s political calculation here. Is he sticking to his pro-choice view because it is less harmful than waffling? Was he ever really pro-choice, or was that a calculation, too? Will he really appoint pro-choice judges? We can’t know the answers to those questions. But, we can talk about what it will mean if Guiliani succeeds in winning the nomination.
Let’s think about that. Yesterday Guiliani also expressed support for domestic partnerships for gay/lesbian couples (but not marriage) and he defended his calls for stricter gun control when he was mayor.
Looking back on recent elections, the Republicans have used guns, gays, and God (in the role of an opponent of reproductive rights) very heavily. What happens when you largely take those issues off the table?
The first thing it does is deregionalize the election. Guiliani will be as competitive in New York and California as he is in Ohio and Florida.
The election will turn on issues of war and peace, terrorism, health care, the economy…but not over so-called cultural issues.
Another consequence will be that the GOP will not have a unified voice. When the Republicans have been successful in the past, they have seized on a few narrow themes and hammered them home with relentless unanimity (up and down the ticket).
All through the mid-Atlantic and New England, Republicans will breathe a sigh of relief and believe it is safe to go in the water again.
Democrats in socially conservative districts will feel a little less polarization.
Guiliani will have to cobble together a new coalition. Whether or not he succeeds, it will leave an imprint on the two major parties for years to come. The Republican brand will be changed.
The most likely strategy for Guiliani involves a major fear campaign that emphasizes a strong military, harsh measures for terror suspects along with aggressive tactics by our intelligence agencies. He’ll keep us safe from attack and know what to do in a crisis if we are attacked. This will open up a second liability. Not only will he go after the presidency without pandering (in the traditional sense) to social conservatives, but he will openly alienate libertarians.
In response, the Democrats will probably work to increase apathy from social conservatives while actively courting libertarians. The best way to do this is to question warrantless wiretapping, torture, raise the Terry Schiavo case, and talk about keeping the federal government out of our bedrooms.
Guiliani has the potential to rescue the Republican brand and break the regional polarization of the parties. If he can capture the imagination of suburbanites with a message of lower taxes, less regulation, keeping the city streets safe, lowering crime, maintaining a strong national defense…then he can bring back the old Republican Party as it existed under Nixon. It won’t be any prettier than Nixon’s coalition…but it would still be a welcome change.
Provided he doesn’t win the Presidency, we will see an improvement in domestic politics without having to suffer any foreign policy consequences.
What do you think?
This is the part I don’t understand, BooMan. Should Giuliani win the nomination and lose the election, wouldn’t he become, so to speak, their McGovern: someone who gets cited for decades, effectively (from a rhetorical standpoint), as exemplifying what the party must not do if it is to win presidential elections? And wouldn’t this lead to deeper entrenchment and the consequent increased marginalization of moderates in the party? Please elaborate.
Possibly, but I suspect something different will happen. Guiliani will be the new Goldwater. The Republicans, if Guiliani wins the nomination and loses the presidency, will be pretty far into the wilderness. I don’t think Guiliani will get anywhere near as much blame as Bush, Iraq, and the corruption of DeLay/Frist/Hastert.
Perhaps even Rove will come to look like a main culprit.
The way back? It ain’t gonna be the old way…demographics alone preclude it.
Yes, that’s plausible. However, it seems to me that both the Dobson faction and the Norquist faction have means of dissociating themselves from all of the above and representing a failed Giuliani campaign as having constituted an extension of the party’s drift, begun under Bush, away from the “real goal.” (That being, in the one case, the installment of a Christian theocracy, and in the other, the dismantling of the federal government.) The theme uniting them would be the representation of Giuliani’s nomination as the most glaring symptom yet of a critical illness in the Republican Party that must be purged. His nomination and defeat would be cited as evidence of the party’s disarray.
‘Course there would be a fierce contest of narratives here, but as we all know, the folks mentioned above have awfully big megaphones and simple, psychologically (as opposed to rationally) compelling stories. As you say, the Giuliani faction might, like Goldwater’s supporters, hold onto their cause, successfully (at least over time) painting the loss as just a setback in the early stages of a long struggle. I wonder, though. I submit that Repubs have become so accustomed to victory that they don’t take defeat as they once did. Defeat is repudiation, is shameful, and its most visible manifestation — which I still think would be a failed Giuliani campaign — something to be dissociated from like the carrier of an infectious disease. –Yes, this is surely speculative.
Thanks for responding. Notwithstanding what I’ve just written, I’m still mulling your suggestion over.
it’s too dicey to predict. A LOT will depend on what happens down ticket. If the Dems wind up with 60 or more Senate seats then the Frist/DeLay/Iraq/Rove narrative will dominate.
If Guiliani loses but restores the downticket brand of the GOP, it will also look good for social moderation (if only as a cover for the opposite).
A lot of ins and outs and a lot of what have yous…as the Dude says.
True enough.
I think Giuliani would be a far better president than any of the other major Repubs and I agree a Giuliani vs. whomever contest would be very different from the standard polarizing fight we’ve seen. But I don’t think he’d reform the Republican party. The cryptochristian right has seized control of almost the entire Republican party – I saw one report that they controlled 40 of 50 state parties, with the remainder still subject to their influence and mostly in heavily Dem states anyway. One president can’t take that away, especially one as unlikeable as Giuliani. He got pretty unpopular in NYC.
We have a similar situation here in California with Schwarzenegger as governor. He’s fairly moderate and state government has been comparatively functional since he and the Dem legislature are willing to deal. The improvement in the budget process has been really marked. I’d gotten used to never having a budget at the beginning of the fiscal year but now we are no longer subject to routine government shutdowns in July.
However, this improvement comes from Arnie, the Dems, and a tiny number of not-completely-insane Republican legislators needed for California’s 2/3 majority for budget bills. The vast majority of Republican legislators are as nutty as ever, preaching for evicting the Mexicans, oppressing the gays, cutting all taxes, banning all abortions, unfettered sprawl, etc. They continue to run the party conventions and machinery. They tolerate Arnie since they can’t possibly get rid of him but once he’s gone things will go back to the way they were. As in the rest of the country, the sane conservatives have left the Republican party and are now independent, so they have no influence on the party.
I don’t believe that the Republican nominee is currently among those who have announced their candidacies. None of the current candidates is very popular with the GOP’s activist base. I suspect Fred Thompson may end up entering the race as late as this Fall, and quite possibly winning the nomination. Or we may end up with a brokered convention. Whoever is chosen the GOP candidate, he won’t inspire a lot of enthusiasm if he comes from the current cast of characters, imo.
I’m curious why you think Thompson rather than Gingrich.
Gingrich has made too many enemies, imo, and comes off as a pompous ass on TV. Thompson at least acts like he has some gravitas.
Okey-doke, I can see that. Thanks for answering my question.
A rant: All Moderate Republican will Lie to their Conservative base during the primaries. In fact I would suspect a moderate Republican would like photo-op of himself: reading the bible, while building a border fence, with a Glock holstered on his side.
And that’s what W did, except he lied to the mdoerate Republicans..kinda of reverse of the above. So let the lying begin…who cares I’m a Democrat.
WHAT?
He can GET meaner?
I think not.
I lived here while he was running his game.
As mean as they come.
In the dictionary sense.
Merriam Webster:
2 : lacking in mental discrimination : DULL
3 a : of poor shabby inferior quality or status (mean city streets) b : worthy of little regard : CONTEMPTIBLE — often used in negative constructions as a term of praise (no mean feat)
4 : lacking dignity or honor : BASE
5 a : PENURIOUS, STINGY b : characterized by petty selfishness or malice c : causing trouble or bother : VEXATIOUS >
6 : ASHAMED 1b
– mean·ness ‘mEn-n&s noun
synonyms MEAN, IGNOBLE, ABJECT, SORDID mean being below the normal standards of human decency and dignity. MEAN suggests having such repellent characteristics as small-mindedness, ill temper, or cupidity <mean and petty satire>. IGNOBLE suggests a loss or lack of some essential high quality of mind or spirit (an ignoble scramble after material possessions). ABJECT may imply degradation, debasement, or servility (abject poverty). SORDID is stronger than all of these in stressing physical or spiritual degradation and abjectness (a sordid story of murder and revenge).
Yup.
What they said.
Plus…
there is a picture of the Rude One up NEXT to this definition.
Oh.
You are referring to his POLITICAL meaning.
Nervermind…
Emily Litella
I think the meaning of Rudy’s candidacy is to distract us all with the fear of another really horrible villain gaining the controls.
We’d rather speculate about the next meaningless election and gossip about damsels in distress than take care of business.
Why do you think they have three-ring circuses. It’s all showbiz, folks.