What is waterboarding?
Water boarding as it is currently described involves strapping a person to an inclined board, with his feet raised and his head lowered. The interrogators bind the person’s arms and legs so he can’t move at all, and they cover his face. In some descriptions, the person is gagged, and some sort of cloth covers his nose and mouth; in others, his face is wrapped in cellophane. The interrogator then repeatedly pours water onto the person’s face. Depending on the exact setup, the water may or may not actually get into the person’s mouth and nose; but the physical experience of being underneath a wave of water seems to be secondary to the psychological experience. The person’s mind believes he is drowning, and his gag reflex kicks in as if he were choking on all that water falling on his face.[14]
CIA officers who subject themselves to the technique last an average of 14 seconds before caving in.[15]
Waterboarding is a form of torture and it can cause physical as well as lasting psychological injury.
Poorly executed waterboarding can cause extreme pain and damage to the lungs, brain damage caused by oxygen deprivation, and sometimes broken bones because of the restraints applied to the struggling victim. The psychological effects can last long after waterboarding ends. Prolonged waterboarding can also cause death. [16]
Dr. Allen Keller, the director of the Bellevue/N.Y.U. Program for Survivors of Torture, has treated “a number of people” who had been subjected to forms of near-asphyxiation, including waterboarding. An interview for The New Yorker states, “[He] argued that it was indeed torture. ‘Some victims were still traumatized years later’, he said. One patient couldn’t take showers, and panicked when it rained. ‘The fear of being killed is a terrifying experience,’ he said.”[17]
Unfortunately, the president’s nominee to be our Attorney General, Mike Mukasey, is unsure whether or not waterboarding is torture. Watch Sen. Whitehouse (D-RI) question him on the topic.
Prior to making this response, Mukasey was sailing to an easy nomination. Sen. Schumer had recommended Mukasey to the Bush administration and Judiciary Chairman Leahy had said that he liked Mukasey personally. But the Democrats feel compelled to block his nomination if he cannot say for the record that waterboarding is torture and is, therefore, unconstitutional.
Leahy has refused to set a date for a vote on Mukasey’s nomination until he clarifies his answer to that question.
Separately, a Democrat familiar with the panel’s deliberations said Mukasey may not get the 10 committee votes his nomination needs to be reported to the Senate floor with a favorable recommendation unless he says, in effect, that waterboarding is torture.
Atrios has been pointing this out the last couple of days, but if Mukasey agrees that waterboarding is torture then he is kind of obligated to do something about it. Those that have authorized and carried out acts of torture are criminals…the worst and most contemptible kinds of criminals. And once you open up that Pandora’s box there is no telling where it ends. Look at Donald Rumsfeld’s travails in France.
A group of U.S. and European human rights organizations is pursuing a legal complaint against Donald Rumsfeld in a Paris court that accuses the former defense secretary of being responsible for torture.
The group, which includes the International Federation for Human Rights, the French League for Human Rights and the Nork York-based Center for Constitutional Rights, filed the complaint late Thursday and unsuccessfully sought to confront Rumsfeld as he left a breakfast meeting in central Paris on Friday.
Jeanne Sulzer, a lawyer for the group, said the complaint was filed with a state prosecutor, Jean-Claude Marin, who has the power to pursue the case because of Rumsfeld’s presence in France…
…the group is seeking to press charges against Rumsfeld for authorizing torture at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq under the 1984 Convention Against Torture, which France has used in previous torture cases…
…Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, said in a statement that the aim of the latest legal complaint was to demonstrate “that we will not rest until those U.S. officials involved in the torture program are brought to justice.”
Of course, this brings up another aspect to the problem. The reason that human rights activists can potentially compel France to arrest Rumsfeld is twofold. First, two conditions must be met. The United States is not a member of the International Criminal Court, so Rumsfeld’s case cannot be taken there. But they must still show that that Rumsfeld’s home country is doing nothing to address the issue.
If Mukasey admits that waterboarding is torture and he knows that people like George Tenet authorized waterboarding, then he must do something about it or Tenet will be subject to arrest anytime he travels abroad. And, of course, Tenet had his orders.
It kind of sucks that our government is being run by criminals. No?
Cheney:
Oh my goodness gracious, Andy is once more lecturing us in his high-falutin’ prose from Revelations. His personal revelations of course. He still sees September 11, 2001 as a pivotal event in the unfolding of the Cheney/Bush nightmare. Before the election of 2000 there were more than enough people telling him that he was rabidly supporting a pair of unsavory, untrustworthy, shifty men. But that didn’t faze him; he was all excited about Gorgeous George, then about his war, and stuck it out with him for quite a long time. Evidently torture opened his eyes. It’s curious that in the linked piece he criticizes Bush’s extreme, fundamentalist take on christianity. Right after September 11, 2001, Susan Sontag predicted the authoritarian turn that the U.S. government would take. Sullivan trashed her mercilessly, belittled her, treated her as if she lived on the same plane as Michelle Malkin, only to the far left instead of to the far right. The childishness of his Sontag/Malkin prizes on his old blog was petty and vicious. He is one of the best examples of someone who was wrong about everything and has only succeeded in turning his blindness to his own advantage. Thus, he keeps pontificating and maybe next time he will vote for the Democratic presidential candidate. Ha! Conservatives go, go, go!
I certainly hope this is persued. It could be the only punishment that these people ever see is an inability to travel overseas. While I would love to see Chaney, Rice, Bush, Rumsfield, et al, dragged to the hague in chains, having them face trial in foreign countries will certainly take the bloom off their inevitable `victory tour’ after 2008.
With their fondness for unilateralism and the SCOTUS constant dismissal of international law it would be fitting indeed.
nalbar
there’s a sure fire way to find out…give him a taste of it, see what he thinks.
and while they’re at it, add chimpy, shooter, abu, rice, wolfie, perle, et al to the list…and maybe rudy would like a trial run to help him make up his mind as well.
john…woodstock sucked…mccain is even backtracking, pander bear then, as in yesterday, and now.
is tar and feathers and riding a rail out of town considered torture?…l thought not.
lTMF’sA
he could volunteer, just like CIA officers do.
With the movie “Rendition” now out, Stephen Grey’s book Ghost Plane, and yesterday Rummy getting served in France for his part, with Congress gnawing away at the WH, Rudy & Murkasy feigning ignorance…how much longer can the denialists hold us all hostage?
so once again WB is raising its ugly head. But why is anyone surprised? The littany of lies that emanate from the white house stretch as far as the eye can see. Just look at the latest insanity from FEMA! After “Brownie” they decided that the easiest solution for another series of errors would be to Lie again and count on the media stooges to follow the party line. Thank god for Kamen in WAPO.
So, if pelosi wants to keep IMPEACHMENT off the table- so be it. They too can lose their jobs in 09!
This is so beyond belief that writing about it is like writing fiction. The only problem is that the folks better hurry before ——- IRAN——–
Stay tuned for the further adventures of ………!
The problem isn’t waterboarding… thats what they admit to using. Does anybody reading this really believe thats the outer limit of the forms of torture used by the Agents of The Inquisition? Come on, waterboarding is what will grudgingly be given up to take the heat off of the OTHER stuff going on.
One need only remember the poor guy dressed up like a Xmas tree in Abu Ghraib with electrodes clutched in his hands, snarling dogs around him and a hood on his head to get a feel for what really happens. Track him down and bring him up alongside Mukasky’s chair for some ol’ rebuttal.
Let not be naive here about torture — once headed down that road, getting the information is secondary to having the power of life and death over others. Ask Lord Acton about power, he got it right.
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Interesting: Dems are showing signs of perhaps using a little muscle on two issues: the Mike Mukasey confirmation and Bolten/Miers’ contempt of Congress. We’ll see if anything comes of this, or if this is just more talk.
Could the Dems’ finally be responding to the public’s anger and frustration?
Could someone with better skills/tools than myself see what they can find on the County Sheriff, Galena Park Texas, sometime in the late 70s early 80s. He was doing this waterboard shit and coming up with an outstanding number of confessions.
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WASHINGTON (BBC News) Oct. 10 – A US federal judge has blocked the US military from sending a Guantanamo Bay detainee to Tunisia because of allegations he would be tortured. It would be a “profound miscarriage of justice” to transfer Mohammed Abdul Rahman ahead of a Supreme Court ruling on detainee rights, the judge said.
Human rights groups say the ruling is unprecedented, and the first direct intervention by a judge in such a case.
Tunisia has denied Mr Abdul Rahman’s claims that it practises torture. However, a report by the US state department published earlier this year said the Tunisian government continued “to commit serious human rights abuses”.
Citing human rights groups, the report said the Tunisian security forces used sleep deprivation, electric shocks, submersion of the head in water, beatings and cigarette burns.
‘Irreparable harm’
In her ruling made earlier this month but only just unsealed, Washington DC District Judge Gladys Kessler said that Mr Abdul Rahman could not be transferred because he might suffer “devastating and irreparable harm”.
Gitmo detainee fears “disappearance” to Libya
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."