What say ye, Mr. Rockefeller? Mr. Leahy?
Earlier today we flagged that Mark Klein, who uncovered a secret surveillance room run by the NSA while employed as a San Francisco-based technician for AT&T, is in Washington to lobby against granting retroactive legal immunity to telecommunications companies. In an interview this afternoon, Klein explained why he traveled all the way from San Francisco to lobby Senators about the issue: if the immunity provision passes, Americans may never know how extensive the surveillance program was — or how deeply their privacy may have been invaded.
“The president has not presented this truthfully,” said Klein, a 62-year old retiree. “He said it was about a few people making calls to the Mideast. But I know this physical equipment. It copies everything. There’s no selection of anything, at all — the splitter copies entire data streams from the internet, phone conversations, e-mail, web-browsing. Everything.”
What Klein unearthed — you can read it here — points to a nearly unbounded surveillance program. Its very location in San Francisco suggests that the program was “massively domestic” in its focus, he said. “If they really meant what they say about only wanting international stuff, you wouldn’t want it in San Francisco or Atlanta. You’d want to be closer to the border where the lines come in from the ocean so you pick up international calls. You only do it in San Francisco if you want domestic stuff. The location of this stuff contradicts their story.”
That’s what’s at stake in the telecom immunity provision, Klein believes. If the surveillance-related lawsuits are invalidated by a provision in the intelligence-committee-passed FISA bill, then the extent of the program — at least between 2001 and 2006 — will remain the exclusive purview of the Bush administration, the communications firms and the handful of Senators selected to review legal justifications for the program. “These are not babes in woods. They knew what they were doing,” Klein said. “The violation of the Constitution is where they split off — where the splitter splits off full copies of a datastream, and connects to other companies’ internet stuff, like Sprint or GlobalCrossing. They don’t want people to understand that. They want to portray it like the president does, that it’s a handful of international phone calls. That’s the soundbite, and that’s not true. It affects millions of people domestically.”
Klein has been public with his insider account for nearly two years, with precious little publicity to show for it, thanks to the relative paucity of national media in San Francisco. Coming to Washington might have changed that: his day was packed with press calls and face time with at least a half-dozen Congressional staffers, mostly from Democratic Senators Joe Biden, Sheldon Whitehouse and Barbara Boxer. Press attention and one-on-ones in the corridors of power might be nice, he said, but it’s not enough. “I’m not impressed by people with speeches pretending to be on your side,” he said. “I want to see votes. In our favor.”
Gonna screw over the American people AGAIN???
Simple answer: Yes.
you needn’t even ask.
unless feingold and dodd get a lot of help, it’s a done deal.
lTMF’sA
Yep. We’ve seen what the Dem “leadership” plan is for this election cycle: do nothing about anything and look as stupid as possible while doing it.
“leadership“…at least you put it in quotes. been so long since l’ve seen any that l’m not sure it exists any longer.
it may well be extinct.
later….finals of the blues challenge to send a colo blues band to memphis for the w.c.handy award nationals tonight, and l’m there!
lTMF’sA
Ah, the blues…which CO band?
As far as CO bands go, I have soft spot for the old Leftover Salmon.
but you just might:
erica brown band and mojambus…both are killer live!
first set’s at 8….l’m smoke[‘n].
later
lTMF’sA
Your headline would have been better without those last three words.
Gonna screw over the American people AGAIN???
you bet!!
this issue points out the basic corruption of the current american political system. if it wasn’t for the campaign contributions of these telecom companies etc to selected senators, hell they give to probably every senator, at least those on the committees with oversight, they’d be under intensive investigation right now. i know, i know, that’s how the system works. democracy of the Elites in action.
If this finally gets the attention it must, Judge Mukasey’s evasive answers on the independence of our AG from an overreaching Exec just blew him out of the room.
get real… anybody who’s been paying any attention whatsoever knows that every single electronic transaction conducted on any network not entirely under your personal control – internet, email, credit card, atm, etc. – is being and has been “sniffed” for years, starting well before the bush administration… echelon begat carnivore, which begat tsp, and it’s only now coming out from under wraps… why now…? we’re being slowly but surely habituated to the fact that we’re continuously being watched… if you want to get cold chills down your back, go visit the site that explains the narus intercept suite
http://www.narus.com/products/intercept.html
that klein mentions in his testimony… here’s some of what narus has to say about its own technology…
here’s what another blogger, someone very well-versed in computer surveillance technologies, has to say about the narus intercept suite…
i’ve assumed for years that every electronic transaction i conduct on any network not directly controlled by me is subject to sniffing (and further analysis if it contains significant words, phrases, or code strings)… recently, i’ve come to suspect that part of the purpose for getting us to do everything electronically is precisely so that it CAN be sniffed… there’s damn little now that can’t be obtained or tracked…
wake up and smell the coffee, people…
Profmarcus is right. The government can and does spy on you. Historically, go back and look at how the Germans and IBM worked together to identify and keep track of Jews. That was with punch cards. Think of what the government can do with all that information.
James Bamford’s first book about the NSA (PUZZLE PALACE) pretty much explained how they got around the law to spy on Americans. It seems that they don’t even worry about the law anymore.
I wouldn’t lay the blame entirely on Bush. He’s the latest useful idiot to do their bidding. Really, there were articles about ECHELON in the Covert Action Quarterly back in the mid-nineties. Hell, the NSA was doing its business way back when Dubya was still sticking firecrackers in frogs’ butts. The NSA keeps chugging along just fine whether it was a Clinton or a Bush in the White House. And the NSA is just one of god knows how many agencies and divisions who are there to spy on you and yours.
Now here’s a really paranoid thought: Considering that the internet was initially developed by America’s defense establishment in reaction to the Soviets’ Sputnik, how long do you think it took one of those DOD guys to see that a means of spreading information is also as a means of gathering information? Ten minutes?