Only 26 percent of Ohio voters interviewed would support a health insurance system run by the federal government and paid for with taxes.
Nearly two-thirds prefer a system that requires people to buy insurance and that offers tax credits to those who could not afford it.
Why is that?
‘messaging’, strategy and tactics!
of course, the hundreds of village idiots who’ve been in charge of Dems losing
AND picking up nice paychecks burning through hundreds of millions every 2 years to lose
would dismiss me, cuz
if I was smart I’d be a highly paid parasite like them!
rmm.
Because they’ve been gdamned brainwashed all their lives into believing it’s fucking socialism-which they believe is the evil of all evils(without probably knowing exactly what socialism is). It’s doubtful most of those people do not realize how many other countries have universal coverage and believe it’s immoral not to cover everyone. Instead those same people no doubt also go around chanting ‘We’re number One, we’re number one’.
EXACTLY. Well said. It’s sooooo frustrating. People have this knee-jerk “Government bad, private business good” belief, and a near genetic aversion to anything that smacks of socialism. And yet we have a socialized police force (thank goodness), we have a socialized library system that works just great, and any number of other examples. But people don’t think of THAT as socialism. But it is. And it’s up to us to remind them they are already benefitting from such systems.
Because they think that adding a federally run universal health care system with tax dollars would mean an increase in how much they personally pay in taxes.
Lots of insurance salespeople in Ohio?
Why is that? I thought that people who voted against their own interests living in Kansas. Got me. Maybe they like the idea of paying an additional 15-20% to insurance companies or having their needs for medical procedures and treatment reviewed by clerks instead of doctors. Maybe Ohio has more clerks than doctors. Jobs?
1)Only asked republicans
2)Asked the question while Ohio State was losing to Illinois
Why is that?
because the proponents of single payer keep using the wrong language. We should say Medicare for all. People know what Medicare is and they like it.
Also, we need someone blogging about the Canadian and French systems so that people know what the alternative looks like.
Absolutely Alice-phrasing or the right language is everything and ‘Medicare for All’ is simple enough for anyone with even half a brain to understand. Brilliantly simple really.
Why is that?
It’s the Protestant work ethic, which holds that work is a virtue.
It’s preposterous, of course. Work is just work, and whether it is virtuous or vicious or morally neutral depends entirely on how it’s done and what it achieves.
There’s a connected belief that accepting help is shameful. It’s such a strong belief in some quarters — ironically, mostly the poor — that you end up with weird moral inversions in which people feel virtuous for allowing their families to suffer needlessly by refusing to accept the help that is offered.
Pride is a tremendously useful sin for those who know how to exploit it. In this country, the rich use it to get the poor to starve voluntarily and to sacrifice their lives on the field of battle for the benefit of chickenhawks who live in gated communities.
I’m thinking that it’s because mandatory auto insurance has been such a suck-cess.
The invisible hand has been working there – but without the common courtesy of a reach-around.
hey boo- its the mason dixon poll. how about info re this bunch of goopers! I don’t doubt for one second thqat govt single payer is not a popular idea anywhere.(i don’t know why!) But, even if this is a valid poll, all it reflects is that the dems have fucked up again. BTW- Personally, I don’t buy the results. Plain Dealer, mason dixon- facts, facts, facts!
Tax credits only benefit people who pay significant taxes… the employed-at-more-than-minimum-wage.
When I became disabled, I realized how quickly you can go from comfortable to so poor you can’t afford medicine. Medicare Part D is a scam set up by the pharmaceutical providers who are only looking for their bottom line. Because I can’t afford my prescriptions ($500/month for 2 drugs to keep me human), I can’t get out of the damned “donut hole”.
The only way Universal Health Care would work is to cut out the lobbyists and those companies who drop people once they get sick. Those profiteers are just as heinous as war profiteers!!! Run it through Medicare proper or the VA as a government institution, negotiate for services and medicines using the vast bulk of the citizenry, and if medicine, eyeglasses, dentures, whatever, are cheaper from Canada or Europe, buy it there.
And cover teeth and eyes. They are part of the body, and if the teeth are rotten or the eyes go blind, it affects the wellness of the whole body.
no kidding and also if you have a mouth full of rotten looking teeth no one is going to hire you or if you can’t see you can’t get a job either. So economically it does make sense to cover teeth and eyes besides being the right damn thing to do.
I don’t think it’s all that complicated. Just look at the poll. Specifically, look at how the questions were posed.
First off, 62% of those questioned say they already have employer paid health insurance, either by themselves or through their spouse. Hell, if you take away the 20% who say they are already receiving government run health care, Medicare, that bumps the real percentage of employer covered people closer to 80% of the total surveyed. That’s a pretty sizable number who feel that they are already on the “have it” side of the ledger with their health care. So, of course, they’re going to respond with “Hey, I got mine. If you need it, go get your own”. They really aren’t feeling any kind of imminent risk, when asked by the pollster, that they have much of a chance of being pushed over to the “have not” side any time soon.
82% say they are “satisfied” but, of course, they still think it should cost less. No surprise there. Who in their right mind doesn’t want things you must have to cost less than they do? 55% say that is what most needs to be addressed. Hey, I’m surprised it’s not 100%. All those “haves” want their free lunch too.
As to the final and absolutely moronically phrased question in the poll, “Which type of health care system would you prefer?”, is it any damn wonder that when people see options like those given in the poll that they would answer any differently than they have? I mean c’mon! Are you really expecting people to automatically become altruistic all of the sudden with their responses to questions like these? What do you expect of people when the options are presented this way? Government Run Health Care is something which people reflexively reject out of hand without even considering it. They have been conditioned for years to flinch when anything is prefaced with Government Run. It’s a purely Pavlovian response. Then they’re given the tried and true option, the Tax Break scenario. A classic Republican placebo. And this is nothing more than a “let the have-nots find their own way” option. Hey, no skin off the noses of the “haves”, right, if we give them “have-nots” a little tax break?
This poll is just another example of how idiotic the discourse has become in our traditional media. A load of intellectually lazy and vacuous questions which set a completely unsubstantiated and unsupportable right wing narrative. Don’t fall for it.
Psychologist Philip Zimbardo came to speak at a community college here in Columbus last month. I recorded the whole talk, which was an hour long. The whole thing was fascinating, but I set myself the modest goal of transcribing only the last eight minutes. Those last minutes of the lecture were the uplifting, hopeful part, and, I don’t know about you, but I sure could use more of that in my daily life.
People answer the way that they think their neighbors want to hear them answer.
A new Congress should not ask an opinion about universal healthcare. It should just do it well. Until it is operating, it is hypothetical and thus scary to people. Once in operation, if done well, they will wonder what the socialist bullcrap was all about.
But there are two things that must be done:
(1) Separate healthcare from employers.
(2) End the phony baloney fee-for-service accounting that creates monumental paperwork, fraud, audits, and unpaid bills–not to mention $20 aspirin tablets in hospitals.
People have no idea what they are answering about. They do not understand insurance as risk pooling and that the larger the pool of people the more the risk is covered for everyone. They have been sold on the health savings account idea by the insurance companies pushing politics at “open enrollment” sessions and framing health savings accounts as free money that you get to roll over year after year and — woo hoo — invest in mutual funds like your 401(k) retirement funds. And ignore what this has to do with insuring everyone even during periods of unemployment.
Just look at who did the polling for that answer:
“”But if the Democrats are banking on another slaughter in Ohio in ’08, they are making a bad bet,” warns Brad Coker, managing director of Mason-Dixon Polling and Research Inc., the Washington, D.C., firm that conducted the poll. “The presidential race is likely to look closer to the 2004 race.””
Are they a polling outfit, or assassination squad?
Remember Mason Dixon polling?
“President Of Mason-Dixon Polling Firm Brad Corker: “Exit Polls Are Often Wrong”. “[B]rad Coker, president of the Mason-Dixon polling firm that called Bush’s 2.5-percentage-point win in Ohio practically right on the nose for The Plain Dealer, says … exit polls are often wrong.” (Ted Diadiun, “Rest Assured, We Checked Out Election 2004 Thoroughly,” The [Cleveland] Plain Dealer, 6/18/06)”
And, yet, you are still reading today about more and more info being pieced together in Ohio on the stolen election… Polls are really only for those that dabble in soaking up propaganda, IMHO.
You can get soaked… I ain’t. Not anymore.
Never again.
Are you preconditioned to accept the results of the next stolen election OR primary results? Probably. heh
see!!!!! once mason dixon is examined, it kinda changes the value of the results. The danger however is that this kind of polling fits perfectly into the plans of the MSM and their handlers. So, what are the odds that these results will be used as justification for gooper attacks! Should be fun to watch.
They are supposed to be one of the BIG reputable polling firms. While Mason Dixon has been labeled as GOP tilted at times, it is not just the data they come out with but the data of other “reputable” data operations (Zogby is equally equated to the Dems, IMHO) that all have track records of supporting the status quo, regardless of which “side” of the aisle their data supports.