Score another one for Clinton U.S. foreign policy:
BELGRADE (Reuters) – Scores of protesters broke into the U.S. embassy in Belgrade on Thursday and set some rooms on fire in protest at Kosovo’s independence.
Police were not protecting the building which had been closed and boarded up after rioters stoned it earlier in the week. Black smoke billowed out of the embassy.
Papers and chairs were thrown out of the windows, with doors wedged in the window frames and burning.
One protester climbed up to the first floor of the building, ripped the Stars and Stripes off its pole and briefly put up a Serbian flat in its place.
Some protesters jumped up and down on the embassy balcony, holding up a Serbian flag as the crowd below of about 1,000 people cheered them on, shouting “Serbia, Serbia”.
The storming of the building came during a state-backed rally to protest at Kosovo’s secession on Sunday attended by some 200,000 people, which was otherwise peaceful.
Despite my misgivings about the Kosovo War, I was proud to help make replacement (reverse engineered) computer chips for our F-15 radars that prevented us from having any casualties during the airwar. Yet, it looks like the war has left us with a bad case of indigestion, just like nearly every other military intervention we’ve made since the end of World War II. Right now I am having bad flashbacks to earlier administrations, when stormed embassies were kind of common.
“I was proud to help make replacement (reverse engineered) computer chips for our F-15 radars that prevented us from having any casualties during the airwar”
What exactly did you used to do before you became a full-time blogger. I honestly know nothing about your background.
But then he’d have to kill you.
I bet you never knew BooMan was such an interesting fellow!
I can’t wait for the movie!
Is all because of the US signing that thing to make Kosovo a country?
never have done the independence declaration. I have NO idea why we promoted that. Are we going to support Kurdistan next? What about Free Basque? What about Belgium? How about Quebec?
Didn’t the UN make any Kosovo state illegal? Wasn’t that what the 1999 resolution was all about?
Kosovo’s war for independence and both Russia and our motivates regarding this little speck of land is a fascinating story and linchpin of the Great Game’s latest innings. Before Afghanistan and Iraq there was Kosovo, and there HAD to be Kosovo. It’s the place where all the BS story-lines converge and implode as the corrupt, disillusioning truth exerts itself.
Then there is Azerbaijan..
Remember Mega Oil, the 9/11 flight schools and who the backers of the Kosovar Liberation Army were/are. It’s all just like the last 2 of the first 3 star wars movies..
Who could forget Gary Best and M.E.G.A. oil?
If we hadn’t pushed those muj into Chechnya, the Russians probably never would have released Zawahiri with orders to make us bleed. But I digress.
All this because Russia won’t side with us on Iran?
Is no digression.. It’s the evidence that there is a longer term plan at work, one that pre-dates 9/11 by several years.
against Milosevich, but not the independence.
Independence of Kosovo will have terrible consequences throughout Europe and the Mideast. Kosovo has no historical, ethnic, or national claims. It’s just a made-up state. Now the Serbs will be cleansed. Great.
This idiotic administration has bungled this like all foreign policy issues. They should never have supported independence. The previous status quo was fine.
The United States was a “made-up state” with “no historical, ethnic, or national claims” when it declared independence, too. And it did it on the theory that people have an inalienable right to secession from any state that has ceased to be responsive to their will and well-being.
And while the ethnic cleansing is certainly undesirable, as long as it is limited to dispossession and not mass killing, it’s hard to see how it could be avoided given the total lack of goodwill between the whackjob ethnic factions of the Balkans.
movements do you support?
Republica Serbska?
Free Northern Ireland?
Tamilland?
How about Independent Wales?
While I agree that some should be supported, there are probably hundreds. And for each of those there are dissenters within the state. Now that we have free Kosovo, should the Northern Serbian end be another state. After all, the Serb portion of Kosovo deserves self-determination too, right?
I see no reason to oppose any independence movement that:
a) Has the support of a reasonable supermajority of the population of the proposed state,
b) Guarantees equal rights under the law to its population, and
c) can actually function economically as an independent state.
Kosovo is iffy on the second requirement, but arguably no iffier than Kosovo under Serbian control. Wales doesn’t seem to meet the first requirement currently, though Scotland seems to be coming close. Israel failed the first requirement and still fails the second.
But in general, yes, I think more and smaller states are a good idea.
Isn’t it legally impossible to secede from the Union (unconstitutional?). So how could the U.S. credibly support Kosovo’s secession from Serbia?
We’re an empire now. We create our own reality.
There is no constitutional provision prohibiting secession. There is a prohibition on “rebellion”, which is why the official, formal name of the 1861-1865 civil war is “The War of the Rebellion”, reflecting the underlying legal theory.
Can a state then vote to secede? Or is secession the equivalent of rebellion (or the reverse)?
I think since the War, it’s generally accepted that unilateral secession is de facto prohibited. Before the War, the subject was a lot murkier. All of the original 13 states actually had to vote to join the US by ratifying the Constitution, and a number of them declared the right to secede in their articles of ratification. By accepting those conditional ratifications, it could be argued that the federal government accepted their terms.
There hasn’t been much legal reasoning on the subject in the postbellum era, partly because there has been no significant secession movement, and partly because one of the major motives for the last secession movement was so ugly (i.e., slavery) that it undermined any legitimacy it might otherwise have had. Had slavery not existed, and had the other major issue at the time — import tariffs and the gross imbalances in taxation and federal spending — been the sole cause of secession, would Lincoln have been able to make the case for war? Probably not.
Here’s a link to a history professor’s quite detailed explanation of Kosovo debacle.
http://www.counterpunch.org/leupp02192008.html
and, while we’re at it, here’s some background information revealing some rather familiar names.
http://www.bulgaria-italia.com/fry/docs/bworks.htm
Why do I remember reports of genocide in the late 1980’s by Serbs?
excerpt from Leupp’s report:
But the Clinton administration used the same tactic as it prepared to bomb Yugoslavia. There were horror stories about “ethnic cleansing,” and Yugoslav government forces’ attacks on innocent Kosovar Albanians. Defense Secretary William Cohen, echoed Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Del.), Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.), and former Sen. Bob Dole accused Belgrade of “genocide.” “We’ve now seen about 100,000 military-aged men missing… They may have been murdered,” warned Cohen. “There are indications genocide is unfolding in Kosovo,” declared State Department spokesman Jamie Rubin.
But German reports told a different story. Four German court opinions from October 1998 to March 1999; two Foreign Office intelligence reports in January 1999; and one report from the Foreign Office to the Administrative Court in Mainz in March 1999 all challenged such accusations. According to the Opinion of the Upper Administrative Court at Munster (March 11, 1999), “Ethnic Albanians in Kosovo have neither been nor are now exposed to regional or countrywide group persecution in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.”
After the glorious victory of NATO over Yugoslavia, it was discovered that as few as 2,108 people were actually killed in the province during 1998-9 before the bombardment began. Quite likely more Serbs have been killed by Albanians than vice versa since 1998.
As you remember, there were tons of reports about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction, as well.
But Clinton was not the president in the eighties. Does anyone else remember stories of death and rape?
You are thinking of Bosnia
Yes….I believe that was it.
Violating an embassy is a prima facie casus belli.
Bomb those fuckers back to the Stone Age.
the French–informed the world (UN treaties to the contrary) that Vermont is now, indeed, and independent country, and supplied God’s own bank and arsenal of money and weaponry to back it up. If you were American, how would that compare as an act of war versus storming the French embassy?
You had better believe: Storming an embassy is nothing.
The US is not playing with fire in the Balkans. The US is playing with nitro-glycerin. I am sure it will be fun to watch.
For those at a safe distance.
If we were to violate a French embassy, it would be an act of war.
If Vermont seceded from the Union and France recognized Vermont, that would be France’s right.
It is not the USA that declared Kosovo independent, it was the Kosovars.
A better analogy would be the Irish Easter uprising against British genocide. Would recognition of Ireland then have warranted sacking the American embassy in London? Or do you just like to see the American flag burned?
remember to shake really well.
In case I am being overly subtle, recognizing Kosovo WAs an act of war–by the US against Serbia.
Interesting times continue.
Or do you just like to see the American flag burned?
There is a stupid troll comment. You really haven’t a clue.
Hardly. Bombing Serbia in the 90’s was an act of war. If a regional war erupts and we supply one side or the other with arms, that would be an act of war.
Saying a few words expressing our official stance on the Kosovo question, on the other hand, is not an act of war. It’s not without certain potentially weighty consequences, but an act of war? No.
Bomb those fuckers back to the Stone Age.
Or perhaps we can just agree you have nothing to contribute to human discourse.
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The KLA was renamed the Kosovo Protection Force and been given the task of maintaining peace and security in Kosovo. How well it has been able to carry out this task is summed up in a report dated Feb. 26, 2001, to the Secretary-General of the United Nations, Kofi Annan, which accuses the protection corps of widespread acts of murder, torture and extortion.
That condemnation should not have come as a surprise. As early as 1998, the U.S. State Department listed the KLA as a terrorist organization financing its operations with money from the international heroin trade and funds supplied from Islamic countries and individuals, including Osama bin Laden. This did not stop the United States from arming and training KLA members in Albania and in the summer of 1998 sending them back into Kosovo to assassinate Serbian mayors, ambush Serbian policemen and intimidate hesitant Kosovo Albanians. The aim was to destabilize Kosovo and overthrow Serbian strongman Slobodan Milosevic.
Bin Laden and radical Muslim groups have been deeply involved in the Balkans since the civil wars in Bosnia from 1992 to 1995. Despite a UN arms embargo and with the knowledge and support of the United States, arms, ammunition and thousands of Mujahideen fighters were smuggled into Bosnia to help the Muslims. Many remain in Bosnia today and are recognized as a serious threat to Western forces there. The Bosnian government is said to have presented bin Laden with a Bosnian passport in recognition of his contribution to their cause. He and his al-Qaeda network were also active in Kosovo, and KLA members trained in his camps in Afghanistan and Albania.
Ethnic 'cleansing' threat to Serbs in Kosovo
Albania and CIA Rendition of Islamists
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
The idea that the current East/West conflict is because of anything but our own doings is absurd and the #1 enemy of reality right now.
Get a map of the whole world, put pins in the locations of all our (humanity’s) recent conflicts, occupations, US base-expansions and foreign-influence domestic violence. Now superimpose a map of heroin trade routes, planned energy pipeline routes, energy production fields and current shipping routes. From the heroin coming through Kosovo into Europe from the fields of Afghanistan to the ‘proposed’ pipeline routes through ‘enemy’ territory to the destabilization of production and shipping routes, the whole shebang is simply to justify controlling world resource access, increase profit by destabilizing markets and redistribute wealth from the demos to the elite.
I get frustrated that a lot of current policy debate is about how best to drive the last nails in Liberal Democracy and spawn a better American fascism.