I have never heard any Clinton supporter argue that she will win the Democratic nomination by gaining more pledged delegates than Barack Obama.
Their arguments appear to be centred on two claims. The first is that “Florida and Michigan should count” and the second is that “super delegates have the right to vote any way they want”. There is, obviously, a logical inconsistency between both these claims. For the latter, which is actually true – although one would hope that there is some reflection of the wishes of the people within whatever route the super delegates decide to cast their vote – is reliant on the argument that “those are the rules”, whilst the former asks that the rules be discarded.
It’s the classic dichotomy at the centre of the Clinton’s supporters logic. They insist that the rules – and they didn’t write them, they are just playing by them – allow super delegates to ignore the wishes of the electorate and elect Hillary “as she is more likely to win”. However, they also insist that Florida and Michigan must either be given to Hillary or that there must be a new vote altogether, despite the fact that the rules clearly stated before the contest that, if Florida and Michigan went ahead with early elections, then they would not be seated at the Denver convention.
They appear to be insisting on sticking to a rigid interpretation of the rules when it benefits their candidate and insisting that the rules don’t count – or that there are “bad rules” – when it hinders Hillary’s progress.
They really are sounding more and more unhinged with each day that passes.
For instance, they seem to accept Hillary’s central argument that she has the experience of the White House which Obama lacks, which is a bit like saying Posh Becks knows how to play football from the time she has spent with David. It’s an argument that McCain would tear her up on if she ever faced him in a presidential election.
Then there’s the Taylor Marsh argument that “Hillary is a fighter”:
Eleven wins at Barack’s back and he couldn’t close it out; couldn’t seal the deal.
In the opening stands Hillary Clinton. The first woman who ever had a chance to change the country and the world in one swoop. A woman with the U.S. military Armed Forces standing by her side and backing her up. Strength beyond wisdom, which comes through alliances gotten through years of hard work. A woman with a lifetime of experience applying for The Job.
A fighter, but not just to win. To lead. To change the world. A woman at the helm. It can happen. Believe.
Such hyperbole ignores the fact that this is “a fighter” who is losing both the delegate count and the popular vote. Perhaps we are expected to admire the fact that she is willing “to fight” even when there is no logical way that she can win.
For let’s take the Clinton plan to it’s logical conclusion. Let’s say that we get to Denver and that Obama is leading in the delegate count and in the popular vote and that Hillary manages – it’s a long shot, but let’s assume it for the sake of this argument – to persuade the super delegates that she has the best chance of beating McCain.
The super delegates vote for Hillary and Obama loses. What then?
What her plan actually asks is that the Democratic Party goes against the democratic majority and rejects the first ever African American politician to have won the chance of running for the presidency. A young inspirational leader who has galvanised voters across the country should be denied his prize by super delegates, by the party establishment.
Am I the only person who sees a problem with this scenario?
If that played out the way Hillary’s supporters no doubt hope it will – for when it comes to the numbers this is the only way she can do it – then African-Americans would, rightly, desert the Democratic party for decades. Possibly for generations.
It would be an unforgivable slight. A betrayal on an epic scale.
And yet, that is Hillary’s plan. Anyone who supports that plan is fucking bonkers.
I don’t think it’s just the African Americans who would desert. If, after all this, the democratic intent of the primaries is overturned, I think a lot of Democrats generally will desert the party, and rightfully so, as it will be a sign that the party is beyond salvage.
There may or may not be other parties, but there are other countries, and the US has fallen so far behind in most of the meaningful measures of quality of life that it gets harder with each passing year to justify remaining here. If it was just me, I could indulge in my personal masochism, but I have a family to take care of. Nor do I think my ancestors, who came here in search of a better life, would look unkindly on my leaving in search of a better life.
I totally agree. The cynicism of Hillary’s plan would actually sink the party. The idea that the party who watched the Supreme Court hand Bush an illegitimate Presidency, could bear to watch the Super Delegates hand Hillary the same beggars belief. And what’s worse is that this is actually Hillary’s game plan.
It’s depressing beyond belief.
As Clinton stood with these retired military leaders she also talked about The Commander-in-Chief Threshold—she crossed it, McCain crossed it, but “Sen. Obama will bring a speech he gave in 2002”. I wish Clinton could somehow manage to convince me of her qualifications without shredding another Democrat in the process.
We all have experience. It’s just a count of the number of days that we have lived & breathed. What’s important is the relevance & quality of experience.
Living in different countries & cultures is relevent experience for the presidency.
standing next to the Generals and she’s ready to be commander-in-chief. By that token take any group we know of – say the beatles and any of their spouses can claim to be a beatle, a member of the grateful dead, and on.
Well if Hillary can claim to have crossed the CIC threshold by standing with Generals, Obama can stand with Generals too.
Btw, does Hillary knows how to salute or does she forget Bill did not…that they made fun of him not having served in the military?
there you go again, letting those pesky, inconvenient [for clinton] facts get in the way.
to paraphrase steven colbert: reality has a well known obama bias.
and obama’s made it very clear wherehe’s going in mississippi today:
from tpm election central:
l think that counts as “hitting back”.
It’s almost as if she’s trying to destroy Obama so the super delegates have to give her the nomination.
DIck Morris tells Hillary:
and related; it appears HRC still has money problems:
TPM: HRC Finance Committee Discovers $3K Unauthorized on Private VISA, Switches to Obama
“I voluntarily left the Hillary Finance Committee after I discovered
more than $3,000 in unauthorized charges from HRC campaign on my own
VISA card! And that set off a wave of overdrafts and $400 in bank
charges that I was stuck with. And the compliance officer Allison
Wright at Hillary VA headquarters refused to reimburse me for the
charges. And the senior finance reps who I notified about more than
$3,000 in unauthorized Visa Charges never once aplogized or empathized
with my plight, much less sent me a “sorry for all the trouble” note and a check!”