Whoever is telling Obama to cut himself off from the netroots is doing him a great disservice.
But then, it’s consistent with how elected Democratic officials have been treating us since they regained control of the House and Senate in 2006. No funding cuts for Iraq. Caving on telecom immunity and FISA. Signing off on $400 million dollars for Bush’s black ops in Iran to do God knows what. Condemning Moveon.org for the General Betrayus ad. Failing to pursue investigations and subpoenas. Taking impeachment off the table. The list is endless.
I’ve always felt we had to work from within the Democratic Party to achieve a liberal/progressive agenda. The reasons are many. The current political system is rigged to favor a two party system since there is no proportional representation. And the current parties have had over 100 years to cement their position, making it difficult for third parties to arise, much less gain enough adherents to challenge in a winner take all system. Not since the 1850’s has the political system been in a state where third parties could effectively organize to challenge the existing political system, and that was a special circumstance.
The third party movements we have seen in the 20th century have either floundered after a short period (think of the Socialists of the Fin de siècle era, and the Dixiecrats of the late 40’s) or they have been focused on individual personalities and could not survive after that individual left the political arena (George Wallace and Ross Perot, e.g.). Then there was the Green Party and its embrace of Ralph Nader. Not a great track record, to be sure.
However, I wonder if it is time for Progressives to think of organizing our own party. Not one that would compete on the Presidential stage yet, but one that that fights for seats in Congress. We already have a “Progressive Caucus” but it has largely been ineffective because the party establishment is determined to favor and pander to conservative Democrats. Perhaps that is the correct strategy for the “Democratic Party” as a whole (though I doubt it), but it certainly isn’t useful to those of us who wish to see a progressive agenda implemented.
In that regard, the Democratic party has been as much our enemy as the Republicans. For what difference does it make if the same policies are promoted and others denied enactment, regardless of who is in power? The current structure of the Democrats make them peculiarly susceptible to a conservative, or more precisely, a corporatist, bias when it comes to actually taking bold measures to deal with the myriad issues confronting this country. The concern isn’t over whether progressive solutions will be given a chance to be enacted into law, the problem is that the only solutions being offered are either deeply radical (and failed) conservative approaches, or less radical but still conservative and very modest proposals from the supposed “liberal” party. After all, who among the Democrats is proposing anything truly progressive when it comes to the global warming, or health care, or our relationships in the Middle East? Yes, we have a few champions here and there, but their inclusion in the “Big Tent” of the Democratic Party marginalizes them and by extension those of us who would see their ideas become the basis for the actual platform of the Democratic Party, the one to which more than lip service is paid.
Howard Dean and now Obama have shown us that politicians can get out from under the traditional corporate and large donor funding of political campaigns, but they have been unable to take the next step, which is to combine that “people power” with an agenda that represents the needs and desires of the people who are providing those millions of small donations. They have only taken advantage of this movement, rather than led it to where we want to go.
It is too late to organize a “third way” for these elections. For better or worse (and probably the latter) we are stuck with the current paradigm where the rhetorical differences between the candidates offered to us by the two major parties is often far larger than the policy differences (or what those politicians are willing to vote for and against once elected, regardless of their ideology or policy preferences). However, at some point soon we in the blogosphere and the netroots in general need to consider whether our best interests can be served using this antiquated political machinery, or if we should be mobilizing ourselves to create a new party to function as the vessel for our ideas, our values and our policy proposals.
Right on! Completely need it. I’d vote Progessive. I vote Green as it is, to the extent I can.
I’ve been getting fund raising messages over and over from BHO. I’ve been writing back repeatedly with my disapproval of his handling of FISA versus his rhetoric. I get no response. I’m a donor on a list. I’ll keep my next donation thank you very much.
Fool me once shame on, shame on you, fool me, fool me — can’t get fooled again. — G.W. Bush.
I’m wondering if Obama’s current stance is going to cut into his fundraising totals. I contributed early this month, but now I’m feeling reluctant to send him more money.
I’ll probably get over it, because McSame is just not acceptable in any way. But, dammit, I’m tired of funding people who blithely give my rights away. And I’m tired of funding people who are all buddy-buddy when they need you, and don’t know you when they get where they wanted to be. And that’s not just Obama. Several congresscritters ran as “progressives” and then threw in their lot with the Blue Dogs as soon as they got to DC.
My bet is that his fundraising numbers are tanking. It’ll be interesting to see.
I’m not donating any more to Obama. My money from here on out will go the ACLU, progressive candidates for the House and for local offices, and other non-profits.
He’s certainly the best candidate, but he no longer is the “change we can believe in” or tackling the “mindset” that got us into trouble. I am deeply distressed right now with the change in direction his campaign approach. It is now politics as usual. I wanted to win with something new.
Just got back from a local Peter Goldmark fundraiser and it was great. Incredible candidate, simply all that we could wish for. Standing amongst a group of middle aged activist Dems in a stunning garden where everyone was well informed and passionate was a gift after this past primary season and it felt good to get back to local politics. I was ready to be in the presence of a real deal guy and a crowd of high information voters. My $ are staying local for awhile.
We will never see a Democan or a Republicrat who will wage war on corporate welfare or government pork. And Obama is no exception.
You’re being a little too easy on him, however, with this:
Why don’t you think the decision to shit on progressives comes from Obama himself? Saying that someone is “telling” him to do it is akin to saying that George Bush only invaded Iraq because he got some bad advice. At some point the guy in charge oughtta take some responsibility.
Why don’t Republicans think that FISA powers will accrue to President Obama?
Because Obama won’t really control this. A shadowy operation nestled in the intelligence industry will, and they will not hesitate to undermine an American President.
The Republican Party is in danger of dying out. If a new progressive party is formed, in a few decades we could get a new two-party system, with the Democratic Party taking the place of the Republicans.
If real change is the goal, there is no question that a third party is needed. I see no motivation for the current parties to make real change, only just enough to get into power. (Or at least the appearance of just enough change.)
The netroots will only remain a source of ready cash (and angry posts) unless the next step is taken.
For a third party to do something other than undermine one of the other two, it needs to draw support from both, not just one. A straight, conventional “progressive” third party will just draw votes that would otherwise go to Democrats, either throwing races to Repubs or replacing the Dem progressives with outside progressives who would have less institutional power. An effective third party has to drink from both wells.
Some issues where one could now do this are: 1) civil liberties, 2) anti-free trade, 3) ending or tempering the war on drugs, and 4) expelling illegal immigrants. These are four issues with substantial support, but which are being blocked by both major parties. Ventura showed that 3 is a much more mainstream position than DC thinks. 4 is a problem, though. It would be impossible to make work, and any attempt to do so would be the death of 1. However, there is a lot of overlap in the support of 2 and 4, so it will be hard to keep supporters of 4 out of the coalition. I think that’s what we’re looking at: civil libertarian, mildly isolationist, economic populist, personal libertarian. There is a potential coalition there, if the more rabid anti-immigrant forces don’t derail it. Of course, there will be Republican infiltrators like Buchanan and Barr aiming to do just that.
I totally understand the sentiment, but your original assessment, “I’ve always felt we had to work from within the Democratic Party to achieve a liberal/progressive agenda” is correct.
If progressives and the netroots were to pool their power and resources together for a third party, we would at most win a few districts where we do have “good” Democrats already. No net change in the overall scheme.
We would have to rewrite the USC to allow for national proportional representation to begin to have a third party as some kind of a force. And that ain’t gonna happen.
We are trapped within a system of money and old rules. Only our ultimate undoing or a revolution will really get us out.
You have judged Obama’s performance as President a year before he is sworn in.
Please Obama. Ignore these dipshits in the netroots.
Obama doesn’t defend Clark for a stupid comment. Why should he. He is about to give a speech on patriotism, and you want him to question McCain’s military record.
Obama has been as Liberal as anyone in the Senate. You would know that if you read his record.
But you would rather do the netroots whiny hissy fit.
It is getting really boring.
Here’s an idea. Vote for Nader. That gave us Bush for four years.
So if you think that is the answer. You are dumber then Bush on his worst day.
Here’s a thought. Post your dribble at the Free Republic.
Booman Tribune is now one of the most boring sites on the web.
It’s true that a US politician has to talk like this in order to get elected — and to avoid assassination. It’s also why once the politician is elected the powers that be make it impossible to govern any other way.
Looks like the US won’t change until it hits bottom, hits the wall. Fortunately for the rest of us sharing the planet, that’s already happening, if not quickly enough.
Canadians are uneasy with US rhetoric about changing/healing/saving the world. The city on the hill/light unto the nations/last best hope stuff. “Look out, here they go again. Don’t they have enough to do at home?”
Up here political campaigns are limited by law to 35 days, spending is capped and monitored by an independent commission, and some governing actually happens between elections.
Good luck down there, for all our sakes. But you might consider coming north. Canada welcomes immigrants. Many of your best people have joined us, and we’ve benefited from it.
I was under the impression that it was hard to get permission to work up there unless you could make a case that no available Canadian could do the job – or your prospective employer could. Is that not true?
Not necessarily. Here’s a good site for advice: http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-blog/, and their page specifically for work permits: http://www.canadaworkvisa.ca/.
You may qualify for permanent residence without a job offer beforehand. Try taking the self-assessment at the CIC site: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/assess/index.asp.
Canada’s immigration process is relatively clear and fair, although we’ve got a backlog right now. Best to find a certified immigration counselor (search for the city you’d like to live in) and get started soon as you can.
Today is Canada Day. You might be interested in this article by someone from the States: “Goodbye, Canada,” http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/story.html?id=622850.
If I can be of any more help, let me know, eh?
Between Obama’s FISA vote and his Clark comments, I’ve been disappointed in Obama lately. But not disappointed enough to go third party.
I think a third party is the way to go. The Republicans are psychopaths and the recruiters for the dems are DLC/AIPAC guys. We won’t change anything that way.
For a long time I’ve thought that a third party should have some basic goals: five senate seats and 25 house seats. In other words, Nader should take on Joe Biden in Delaware and he should promise to use the filibuster like, every other second. Five senators that use the filibuster on behalf of the public and vote as a disciplined progressive bloc. That’s the answer. 25 House reps that are swing votes and chair an important committee or two.
Other realistic goals for a viable third party run. You need 2 million for a senate seat run and at least 1 million for a house seat run. You need to raise 35 million under the 5 and 25 plan. You should also ignore trad advertising until the last three weeks and depend on local blogs and canvassing. Every campaign should have 10 canvassers out hitting 500 doors a day for several weeks. Ask all those rich and angry hollywood stars who are as angry and frustrated as we are, like John Cusack and Sean Penn, to chip in. I’m certainly ready but we have to raise those minimum amounts at least.
Philip Shropshire
http://www.threeriversonline.com
Oh, and we’ll run Leiberman style campaigns. Run in the dem primaries and if that fails run as an independent because the public demands it or something. Aim at 25 sellout blue dogs. Serve when ready.
I’m done with the Democratic party, so I would welcome a true Progressive party.