Martin Longman a contributing editor at the Washington Monthly.
He is also the founder of Booman Tribune and Progress Pond. He has a degree in philosophy from Western Michigan University.
You know Obama keeps saying who’s taxes will go up and down. Every time I run my income through one of those Obama tax calculators my taxes go up. And according to him they should be going down.
So frankly I don’t know that I believe Obama on this.
I go to the ones linked to by liberal bloggers.
No. I don’t.
You know what’s funny? My taxes go up by $200. BUT if i got married to someone who made EXACTLY what I make, our joint taxes would go down by $4,000. So separately our taxes go up $400 but married they go down $4,000. Nothing else changes. How’s that for fairness in the American tax system.
Under McCain’s plan, bachelors and bachelorettes would eventually shoulder the entire federal budget. He keeps doubling the child exemption and bans abortion, and that’s what you’ll get.
I haven’t used one of the Obama tax calculators, but does it take into account all your deductions and credits? Does it just ask for your gross or net income?
mccain keeps bringing up lieberman, i bet he’s jabbing at his behind-the-scenes crew who didn’t let him choose him as the veep. (i can pretend, at least)
How is more oil going to make us energy independent???
WHEN is Obama going to say there’s NO SUCH THING AS FOREIGN OIL because Oil is a GLOBAL COMMODITY. It doesn’t matter where it’s from – the prices are out of our control.
I’m finding myself bored by this debate. After the high drama of Biden/Palin this is a yawner. Maybe McCain could collapse in the middle of it to add some drama.
And so does Erica Jong:
“Why are these debates so incredibly boring? Is it the questions framed by committee? Is it Tom Brokaw trying to exude gravitas? Is it John McCain telling us constantly he is our friend while he grimaces in a way that is friendly to no one? Or is it Barack Obama keeping his cool despite all the idiotic lies and provocations?” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erica-jong/is-john-mccain-really-our_b_132838.html
Thanks for clearing that up. I knew that the Allies have been criticized for not doing enough to stop the Holocaust once they learned that it was happening, but I didn’t know that it has been suggested that bombing could have helped stop or slow it.
It’s very interesting, when obama speaks about this war thing, both male and female lines go up on cnn, when McCain speaks, they flatline or go down.
McCain is not doing himself any good at least wit those folks in Ohio…women are going highest for o and men for mc
jesus, brokaw spanked obama on time again
And he didn’t allow a rebuttal. Brokaw’s bias is showing.
yeah. I’m disappointed
I can’t believe how horrible McCain is tonight.
Neither can the CNN viewers.
I love how he tries to change his voice to show “passion” (with quote marks).
Btw – an appropriate dip when Obama said he was for nuclear power.
brokaw is hoovering obama in the butt
porn afficionados will understand that reference
bubba just ate my donut
You know Obama keeps saying who’s taxes will go up and down. Every time I run my income through one of those Obama tax calculators my taxes go up. And according to him they should be going down.
So frankly I don’t know that I believe Obama on this.
Not that I care if my taxes go up by $200.
Are you going to an Obama tax calculator made by Republicans?
Do you make more than $250,000 a year?
I go to the ones linked to by liberal bloggers.
No. I don’t.
You know what’s funny? My taxes go up by $200. BUT if i got married to someone who made EXACTLY what I make, our joint taxes would go down by $4,000. So separately our taxes go up $400 but married they go down $4,000. Nothing else changes. How’s that for fairness in the American tax system.
You wanna marry me? I need an income and you need a tax break.
hmmmm?
I bet you’re expensive to keep. But you might make up for it with fun.
Not to mention the sex…
Under McCain’s plan, bachelors and bachelorettes would eventually shoulder the entire federal budget. He keeps doubling the child exemption and bans abortion, and that’s what you’ll get.
I guess that also explains why he would be against gay marriage. Let those people pay for it.
Well, it’s not like I’m going to vote for him. I said I didn’t care if my taxes went up.
But his rhetoric doesn’t match what those computer things show.
I went to one by the Brookings institute (conservative) and I get $613.45 from Obama (only $400 from McCain’s plan).
I haven’t used one of the Obama tax calculators, but does it take into account all your deductions and credits? Does it just ask for your gross or net income?
Just your gross. So it’s pretty worthless.
Yeah. That is really worthless.
Adjusted gross, the one I tried.
Go here. Read this Survey of Economists: The Economist finds the majority–at times by overwhelming margins–believe Mr Obama has the superior economic plan, a firmer grasp of economics and will appoint better economic advisers.
sheesh. I don’t need convincing to vote for him.
I was just pointing out my experience. So if it’s happening to me it has to be happening to other people.
Oh good, another commission
on the cnn dial line thing-a-ma-bob, the women’s line goes down every time mccain speaks.
I know…and they especially don’t like when he goes negative. and they seem to hate “my friends”
I read this Town Hall format aided McCain.
that was the CW…but it sure makes him seem old and not very nimble
Brokaw blows.
this format sucks…..it encourages lying with no followup
mccain keeps bringing up lieberman, i bet he’s jabbing at his behind-the-scenes crew who didn’t let him choose him as the veep. (i can pretend, at least)
Ugh, Lieberman rears his ugly head again.
think of ej watching in hi def. That’s got to be an ugly sight
Fortunately I missed him – I was checking in with the latest comments here. So thanks to everyone for saving me from that terror!
When Lieberman rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It’s Alaska.
Can we banish forever the term “rears [his, her, their] head[s]?” It absolutely smacks of Sarah Palin.
You betcha!
ding ding ding!!!!!
good one obama
mccain been there in congress doing nothing for 26 of the last 30 years
jesus fucking christ….why does brokaw always bitch about time after obama!!!!!!
Why does Obama always go second?
brokaw should’ve stayed retired.
he would have if russert and jennings had lived a little longer
somebody needs to whack brokaw over the head with the time clock
Did McCain just call Obama “that one”?!?!?
yes he did!!!!!
ha!
How is more oil going to make us energy independent???
WHEN is Obama going to say there’s NO SUCH THING AS FOREIGN OIL because Oil is a GLOBAL COMMODITY. It doesn’t matter where it’s from – the prices are out of our control.
(In response to McCain implying drilling offshore will make us energy independent. Ridiculous.)
obama needs to tell people how much healthcare $5000 gets you
2 months? of crappy coverage
Obama said mammograms. I’ll bet the women vote spiked on that.
I hope Obama points out that Mccain’s 5K tax credit goes directly to the insurance companies
Men are underwhelmed by McCain, evidently. Their line is just not rising at all.
go across state lines for Healthcare? the ambulances too?
Ridiculed
Rape gurney John.
With so much riding on tonight,McCain is horrible.
Incredible.
Difference is stark. Specifics v. Vague
we need music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpV-s_zpzbc&feature=related
Ouch – he just bashed Biden’s home state.
Sssssshhhhh
I thought that last health care answer was great.
Brokaw is the only person in the house laughing at McCain’s lame ripostes.
others are picking up on his bias, McCain leaning.
Brokaw works with the McCain campaign in regards to NBC. Of course, there’s bias.
Pffft! I’ve got your peace right here
I’m finding myself bored by this debate. After the high drama of Biden/Palin this is a yawner. Maybe McCain could collapse in the middle of it to add some drama.
Both women in this house said the same.
And I said the same too (on the thread above this one).
And so does Erica Jong:
“Why are these debates so incredibly boring? Is it the questions framed by committee? Is it Tom Brokaw trying to exude gravitas? Is it John McCain telling us constantly he is our friend while he grimaces in a way that is friendly to no one? Or is it Barack Obama keeping his cool despite all the idiotic lies and provocations?”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erica-jong/is-john-mccain-really-our_b_132838.html
YEAH!!!!!!!
go obama
judgment
greeted as liberators
costly decision
hit him with veteran cuts
The CNN audience is loving the McCain bashing.
Does CNN show audience reaction when Brokaw talks?
No – they reset to the middle of the dial.
As do people who listen to McCain more than 30 seconds.
lol!
Good answer Obama on the first foreign policy question
The audience seems kind of bored now.
i want to hear the mccain doctrine
somebody insist on him stating it
It’s the Bush Doctrine.
heh, he just said “a cool hand at the tiller”
A cool hand in the till?
i really think mccain and the gop are miscalculating the public on timetables. i think the majority of folks want a deadline.
president reagan, my hero
nice headline
I have no idea what McCain just said. I tried to follow him, but I couldn’t.
Obama just said that it would have been nice if the US had intervened to stop the Holocaust, or something to that effect.
Does he mean that the US and Britain didn’t bomb the Germans enough?
I think this is what he meant, more or less:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4175045.stm
Thanks for clearing that up. I knew that the Allies have been criticized for not doing enough to stop the Holocaust once they learned that it was happening, but I didn’t know that it has been suggested that bombing could have helped stop or slow it.
I thought his hero was reagan
flip flop
I think the reason McCain doesn’t sit between questions is because his feet wouldn’t touch the ground.
lol!
McCain knew Teddy Roosevelt.
Teddy Roosevelt is McCain’s hero? I thought it was Ronald Raygun. hmmmm
McCain – no one believes him. Flatter than a pancake. Wild.
mccain’s lecturing again.
if he gets a follow up I want a follow up!
I think Obama’s making a mistake going on about this. He made his point the first time AND in the first debate.
mccain knows how to get him, though he’s not going to let the bush administration in on the secret now? he is flatlining on this followup
Obama flatlined?
mccain’s numbers flatlined
Obama should mention it at every opportunity.
Agree. Most people are not like us and don’t watch all the debates.
I know how to get him..I know how to do it, I know how to fix it, I’m gonna do it.
finally a good question on Afghanistan..the Brit Commander say we can’t win.
Barack should stop saying he will be very brief when he, in fact, will not be.
It’s very interesting, when obama speaks about this war thing, both male and female lines go up on cnn, when McCain speaks, they flatline or go down.
McCain is not doing himself any good at least wit those folks in Ohio…women are going highest for o and men for mc
New thread up.