John Jay explained the rationale for setting up the Senate the way it is in Federalist Papers No. 64. It was always intended that the Senate would be made up of the “most enlightened and respectable citizens” and people “most distinguished by their abilities and virtue.” Originally, senators were selected by state legislatures, and this was a deliberate design.
As the select assemblies for choosing the President, as well as the State legislatures who appoint the senators, will in general be composed of the most enlightened and respectable citizens, there is reason to presume that their attention and their votes will be directed to those men only who have become the most distinguished by their abilities and virtue, and in whom the people perceive just grounds for confidence. The Constitution manifests very particular attention to this object. By excluding men under thirty-five from the first office, and those under thirty from the second, it confines the electors to men of whom the people have had time to form a judgment, and with respect to whom they will not be liable to be deceived by those brilliant appearances of genius and patriotism, which, like transient meteors, sometimes mislead as well as dazzle. If the observation be well founded, that wise kings will always be served by able ministers, it is fair to argue, that as an assembly of select electors possess, in a greater degree than kings, the means of extensive and accurate information relative to men and characters, so will their appointments bear at least equal marks of discretion and discernment.
It’s easy to look at our present Senate and laugh at John Jay’s high hopes. But it pays to look carefully at Jay’s words. When he warns against political meteors that dazzle and deceive us with their genius and patriotism, he is warning us against demagogues. The Founders expected no shortage of demagogues to emerge in the House of Representatives, which was always intended as the People’s House. The Senate was designed as a counterbalance. It was always supposed to be somewhat reactionary. It was expected that the populist impulses of the House would be tempered by the more august and deliberative upper chamber.
Senators were supposed to be largely free from day-to-day political pressures. Their terms were long (six years) and staggered (so that only a third of the body face reelection each two years). And the elections were not direct, but removed to the discretion of the legislatures. The Seventeenth Amendment changed that by providing for direct, popular elections to the Senate. It was the second amendment of the Progressive Era (the income tax was the first, Prohibition was the third, Female Suffrage the fourth).
I support the Seventeenth Amendment and I think it is better to have more day-to-day political pressure on senators than the Founding Fathers intended. But it comes with a price. The Senate now acts too much like the House, and partisanship rules the body and our whole political culture in a way the Founders hoped to prevent.
But, for me, the bigger problem is that House now acts like the Senate. The House is supposed to be filled with ordinary people: teachers, labor organizers, small business owners, country lawyers, etc. They are supposed to be passionate advocates for the little guy. If they try to give the whole treasury away to the poor (as they should be at least tempted to do) then it’s supposed to be up to the Senate to stop them and represent the rational interests of business.
The Founders didn’t anticipate the two-party system. They wanted a two-chamber system. And, I admit, the two-chamber system (one populist, one cautious and conservative) would work better than the two-party system. What we have now is a bunch of conservative-pandering representatives in the House.
I’m not sure what John Jay would have to say about a Senator Al Franken. I suspect he’d think him a better fit for the House. But I think John Jay might reconsider if he could see how many members of the House are indistinguishable from senators in their adherence to business interests over the interests of the people.
In any case, it doesn’t bother me so much to see senators come from the upper classes (hello Caroline Kennedy). I’m much more concerned that the House is filled with conservatives who hate progressives.
Franken is going to be fun to watch. I can’t wait to see what committees Reid assigns him to (is that how it works up there in Neverland now?) Whatever it is, the first hearings will be packed, you can bet on that; and whoever the inquisitees are can just suck it up because they are in for big trouble from Al. On a side note, I’ve heard some kind of rumbling from some of the villagers (it was Chuck Todd at NBC to be exact) who was reporting in the run up to the General Election that a lot of the Democrats on the Hill were not all that enthusiastic about Al winning this seat (like he’s gonna hurt their image! Hmmmph.) Well I have know him for a long time and he’s not just a serious artist, he’s a serious pol as well. They’d all best get ready for Al’s particular brand of “burr- under-your-saddle” kind of politics, because he is going to bring it. The guy is a hell of a journalist and a serious intellect and they’d damn well better take him seriously.
This is good to hear. We need some more burrs under those saddles. And thorns in the side.
What do you think, Booman, about the Republicans threatening to filibuster to keep Franken from taking his seat? I say good luck on that, John Cornyn (talk about all hat and no cattle!) I think the first rule in the new Senate ought to be that threatened filibusters have to be actually carried out out. I mean reading cookbooks, reciting the multiplication tables, reading the telephone book– whatever silly thing they have to do (live on C-span,) standing at the podium, holding the floor for hours on end, obstructing the business of the nation while the unemployment rate rockets through ten percent on it’s way to twenty, these big mouth do-nothing Republicans can just pack themselves some grill cheese sandwiches and have at it. No side deals, no cloture vote counting ahead of time. No bullshit. Just make them stand there and carry out the goddamn filibusters and hold on to their paper thin 40 or 41 votes or whatever until somebody breaks and we’ll see how long that lasts (not long I’ll wager.) What do you think?
I’d prefer to see Franken seated provisionally, but if the Republicans want to be a pain in the ass about it, that’s their right.
The old filibuster no longer exists in its ancient form. We cannot force someone to speak. If they deny unanimous consent we can’t move on. We’d need 60 votes to change that so that filibusters actually would have to be carried out.
Was the current fake filibuster imposed by 60 votes? I had the impression it was some kind of ruling from the chair or other parliamentary maneuver.
In any case, it’s not the filibuster that looks like the real problem, it’s the interminable phony court challenges the GOP will use to prevent Franken from being seated. But perhaps that will be what Obama needs to see that he’s mistaken in his belief that you can “reach out” to crooks and liars.
I am a long time reader and fan of your blog, Booman. One of my resolutions for 2009 is to do more interactive blogging on sites that have cutting edge discussion going all the time, as you do. So….here I am. I try to write on my small blog every day and I know what a thankless struggle it is to do it every day, day in and day out. But you do it especially well and I admire you for that.
Hey, onealbear, I look forward to your writings and, yes, I will check out your blog. Welcome aboard.
I took a gander at your site and saw Frank Rich’s entire column posted there. Do you do this frequently? If so, I have problems with that. Since you’re an artist, you should be fully cognizant of the implications of using the artistic products of others in what appears to be an unfair manner. Can you address this issue, please?
No! I hardly ever do it and I agree with your point, generally. But in this case, it is Rich’s whole column that indicts the Presidency of George W. Bush. I find it more disrespectful to the Rich to cut up his writing and dissect it and take paragraphs and sentences from it and insert my own commentary instead of letting him speak for himself. And I believe the reader is more likely to read the whole thing in one piece in one place than follow a link to a second page to finish the article (like “read on”.) In any case, on the rare occasion that I do reprint an article from another artist or online source, I make full attribution, with the Author’s Name and the Title of the Article as the title of the post and this disclaimer:(This is the entire article as it appeared in today’s edition of the New York Times.) Also, I do it entirely without any commentary whatsoever as I did here: .
But I will take your well-placed left jab under advisement.
I appreciate your thoughtful reply.
It was such a powerful and succinct summary that I, too, tried to get it out there far and wide. But I did it by linking directly to the NYT, thus giving them the traffic. They pay Rich and maintain the infrastructure to disseminate his work. They should reap the reward.
The web has created a culture whereby people believe everything should be “free.” This denies software engineers, writers of all stripes, artists, photographers,musicians, et al. fair compensation for their talents and efforts.
I totally see your point and I shall do it the right way from now on. I have been thinking about it all morning. It’s certainly the safe bet as far as copyright law is concerned, even though Fair Use for educational purposes and discussion should cover this because my blog is strictly a non-profit affair. I do not compete with anyone for traffic. I don’t sell ads at all and have no reason to try to hog traffic. I’m just trying my best to make sure my 15 nieces and nephews and my small but faithful cadre of regular readers get the sheer glory of Frank Rich’s piece with no interruptions and no commentary from me…just straight up.
Welcome the The Pond. I think you will find this a very informative and worthwhile place to land on a regular basis. The discussions here do not take a back seat to any you will find on “The Toobz”. It is a good place to be.
(BTW, I see from your blog that you gambled with Kramer on Seinfeld. Still have that mail bag you won that belonged to David Berkowitz?) 😉
That’s it. I’m Earl Haffler. You have outed me. And don’t forget, nobody hustles Earl Haffler!
I used to know how to post a photo here. I will put up a photo of Earl if you will remind me how to do it, or point me to the tutorial.
been a while.
Thanks, dada. Actually this photograph was taken during season 8 in the episode “The English Patient” when Kramer brings the three Dominican cigar rollers into my office dressed like Fidel Castro and tries to pass them off as Cubans. Funny episode. Lloyd Bridges was in that episode too. It was the last thing he did before he died.
Yet the founders seemed to be just fine with the party system as they all threw themselves headlong into the system and started writing anonymous angry op-eds about each other even Washington to a lesser extent.
The point here is, did they ever write anything about how the parties that they were in would effect the system set up by the Constitution?
I due sometimes wonder if we might as well go with a unicameral parliament type legislature.
I wonder if Al will employ his mobile satellite up-link technology for C-SPAN?
He could be the first ‘reality show’ Senator.
Well, every empire has required clowns and jesters in high places.
Hey, did you just call my cousin a clown?!!?
I didn’t think so.
So you know he’s got a lot of family in Jersey.
A jester, sure. But a clown? GRrrr…