I had forgotten until someone reminded me that Christopher Hitchens voluntarily subjected himself to waterboarding and concluded that it was torture. Now Sean Hannity has volunteered to undergo waterboarding and donate the money he gets for it to our troops. I don’t know who is going to pay him money, nor do I think that the troops will accept his donation. In fact, I don’t even believe Sean Hannity will follow through with his vow.
But if Sean Hannity does follow through with his vow, this is what he can expect.
You may have read by now the official lie about this treatment, which is that it “simulates” the feeling of drowning. This is not the case. You feel that you are drowning because you are drowning—or, rather, being drowned, albeit slowly and under controlled conditions and at the mercy (or otherwise) of those who are applying the pressure. The “board” is the instrument, not the method. You are not being boarded. You are being watered. This was very rapidly brought home to me when, on top of the hood, which still admitted a few flashes of random and worrying strobe light to my vision, three layers of enveloping towel were added. In this pregnant darkness, head downward, I waited for a while until I abruptly felt a slow cascade of water going up my nose. Determined to resist if only for the honor of my navy ancestors who had so often been in peril on the sea, I held my breath for a while and then had to exhale and—as you might expect—inhale in turn. The inhalation brought the damp cloths tight against my nostrils, as if a huge, wet paw had been suddenly and annihilatingly clamped over my face. Unable to determine whether I was breathing in or out, and flooded more with sheer panic than with mere water, I triggered the pre-arranged signal and felt the unbelievable relief of being pulled upright and having the soaking and stifling layers pulled off me. I find I don’t want to tell you how little time I lasted.
Hitchens was so embarrassed by how quickly he folded that he collected himself and went for a second application.
An interval was ordered, and then I felt the mask come down again. Steeling myself to remember what it had been like last time, and to learn from the previous panic attack, I fought down the first, and some of the second, wave of nausea and terror but soon found that I was an abject prisoner of my gag reflex. The interrogators would hardly have had time to ask me any questions, and I knew that I would quite readily have agreed to supply any answer. I still feel ashamed when I think about it. Also, in case it’s of interest, I have since woken up trying to push the bedcovers off my face, and if I do anything that makes me short of breath I find myself clawing at the air with a horrible sensation of smothering and claustrophobia. No doubt this will pass.
Now imagine that there are no preassigned signals you can make to stop the terror? Imagine that you are subjected to this procedure six times a day for a month. Imagine that the procedure lasts for ten, twenty, even forty minutes at a time. And, finally, imagine that the people doing this to you are constantly yelling at you to admit that you have connections to Saddam Hussein!!
I want to say Sully posted something by a blogger who did a home-made version of water-boarding who concluded that once you realize you’re not actually going to die, you can deal with it.
Sully didn’t buy that one.
maybe the professionals are better at it?
I’m not arguing the point. That guy might have done it wrong and his friends were doing it to him. That’s highly different from being grabbed by soldiers taken to a very nasty prison camp and all that entails.
It was some no account blogger I never heard of, and that’s all I can recall.
because otherwise, KSM would have become used to the procedure after, oh, maybe the 100th time and it would have stopped being “torture”.
But for some reason I think that being gagged with water is a pretty terrifying experience no matter how many times you do it. It’s not like the ghosts at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark, where if you just close your eyes and think positive it’s all good.
Olberman just offered him (Hannity) 1000 a sec for however long he could last.
sometimes Olbermann doesn’t use his head. You don’t pay money to have someone tortured.
Yes, but Hannity asked to be paid, number one. Number two he really doesn’t believe it’s torture. He thinks he’s a Manly Man who is too tough to be daunted by a little water treatment.
You don’t pay money to have someone involuntarily tortured. Hannity has asked for it, no? So…?
I don’t like this simply because it makes a joke out of torture and trivializes this particular method. Hannity is an idiot and I’m not too happy with the folks on the left who are volunteering to perform it on him. Even if he clearly suffered, which he would, he would still find a way to not call it torture.
Hannity would never be as honest as Hitchens about it. He’d pump himself up, hold his breath for about 45 seconds at the max, panic, stop the procedure, then put on a smile for the camera and say “Hey liberals, that wasn’t bad at all! My first swimming lessons when I was five were worse!”
Hannity is the master of self-delusion and hypocrisy.
Hannity doesn’t need to be waterboarded, he needs to go to confession.
so once again, the “progressive community” wastes time by elevating the sick bastards like hannity and his ilk by giving him space and time. To hell with him.
The USA TORTURED! we have admitted it. the world has heard it. Now, the world is waiting to see how we handle this situation. Screw the hannitys of the world. Don’t give them an inch of space. Don’t!!!!!
It is the same as the O man continuing to try and create a “bipartisan” approch. He too has to stop. Just listen for a few minutes to the talk radio garbage. you all know the names. The world is watching.
Every one of the bastards need to be brought to trial. convicted of the horrors that they comitted in the name of the USA, and then JAILED!!!!!!!
CNN has breaking news banner that the Defense Dept. is about to release more Abu Ghraibish pictures in compliance with an ACLU request.
Get ready to be humiliated all over again.
the humiliation was earned the moment these acts were sanctioned and carried out
Any idea that we can finesse the Bush administration’s crimes is probably wishful thinking. It’s going to come out.
I started hunting through my blog archives to find all the times Bush admitted that they were torturing. Surprising this is not, though I am bemused by all the former apologists being aghast AGHAST! that it actually happened. Shepherd Smith’s rant on Fox was particularly satisfying.
hannity’s set himself up for a major take down, assuming he goes through with…which would, frankly, surprise the hell out of me. personally l’d like to see it.
additionally, hitchens isn’t the only one who volunteered to undergo it in order to make a determination. notable for his position at the time was Daniel Levin, the acting chief of the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) prior to Bradbury’s appointment, voluntarily underwent it in order to make a judgement on it’s acceptability:
make no mistake about it, the issue of torture, and who championed it, authorized it, and subverted everything from the constitution down through the Geneva Conventions to justify it, starts in the oval office of G.W. Bush. Cheney may well have been driving the bus, but chimpy was a willing and informed passenger.
these are a bunch of sick puppies, and they should all be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
“Simulated”. Just like Hitchens experienced and Hannity would experience. In other words, irrelevant. It’s the difference between participating in an S&M whipping for a porn movie and being tied up in a locked room by fanatics who might do anything, and over whom you have no control at all. Simulation is what they do in movies and video games.
The victims of US waterboarding were not doing simulations. They were being tortured. Grodin should stick to acting so he doesn’t walk into any more PR traps. If Hannity wants to be waterboarded let be shipped to Iraq or Iran or Vietnam or Colombia incognito, whereabout unknown, cut off from all contacts outside the waterboarding room for an indefinite period with no rescue in sight. Then he can experience the real thing under discussion, not some silly “reality show” bullshit.
That prescription might also apply to every denier that the US tortured.
would be to have Hannity (or whoever) kidnapped, have a hood put over his head, drive him to an undisclosed location, and then put him through the simulated drowning. And have everything videotaped in real time.
NOTE THAT I AM NOT CONDONING THIS NOR WISHING FOR IT TO HAPPEN. My point is that, even if Hannity were to go through with the simulated drowning, he would presumably still have some control over the experience. He’d be able to push the button to say “Enough!” and the waterboarders would let him up. The people who were waterboarded by the CIA and the military didn’t have that option.
Even if he didn’t have control, he’d know that the network (or a liberal like Grodin) aren’t going to kill him or even really make him suffer anything beyond what happens on Survivor. The CIA victims had no reason to think there were any restraints, including sanctions against murder, inhibiting their persecutors.
Anyway, moot question: Hannity (like any other grandstanding media clown) would most certainly have an off switch at his disposal. It makes me sick to watch the media and even the left discuss this bluff as if it had something to do with reality. How in hell does a society this clueless gather the smarts and awareness to ever fix itself?
And make sure a real pro does the job, not somebody like Ollie North who will go easy on him and fake the whole procedure.
I am reaching boiling point again. 8 years of Bush and Cheney. What a horror.
Hannity, if he goes thru with this, will have an advantage that the prisoners didn’t have – he’ll know it will be over in 30 minutes – tops.
He won’t be waterboarded 6 times a day, for 30 straight days. He won’t be held prisoner for five years. He won’t be stripped naked, stress positioned, chilled, heated, deprived of sleep, made to stand for 11 hours straight, told its Thursday morning when it’s Tuesday afternoon, fed 1000 calories per day. He won’t be asked over & over again to provide the connection between Al Queda & Roger Ailes that his captors KNOW must exist.
If he were to lose control & truly be held against his will & put at the mercy of his “mock” captors for even a day, he would break. He would be begging within 24 hours. In 48 hours, he’d be telling his captors about the connection between Al Queda & his sweet little old Catholic mother.
Greetings from Damascus!
Yes, let’s please stop calling it “simulated” drowning, and call it what it is – “controlled” slow-motion drowning. As I recall, people HAVE died from it.
Will you have pictures later?
Just posted a few on FFF.
…where one of the younger MythBusters voluntarily undergoes, not full waterboarding, but only the legendary Chinese drip…drip…drip.
To her considerable surprise, it completely freaked her out. The guy supervising made her bail out early.
There is no way any variant of this kind of abuse is not completely, utterly, totally unacceptable under any circumstances.
Hitchens was so embarrassed by how quickly he folded that he went back for a second application.
Christopher Hitchens ought to be embarrassed by being Christopher Hitchens.