Sheryl Gay Stolberg reports in the New York Times that Obama intends to conduct talks with Middle East leaders, including Iran.
Mr. Obama wants time for his diplomatic overtures to work. Israel is rattled by those overtures and concerned that the president will not be as unwavering a supporter of Israel as was his predecessor, George W. Bush.
This reporting is accurate, but it disturbs me. I want the people of Israel to consider what George W. Bush’s friendship won for them over the last eight years. No doubt, Bush gave Israel the green light to demolish what was left of the Palestinian Authority during the Second Intifada. But this only weakened Fatah and gave rise to Hamas as a major rival. Bush green-lighted the invasion of Lebanon, but that only resulted in Israel’s first true military defeat and the strengthening of Hizbollah (and their patron, Iran). Bush pushed for elections in Palestine that Hamas won. Subsequently, Bush authorized covert action against Hamas in Gaza which resulted in Hamas taking over the entire Strip. As a result, Bush gave his blessing for the invasion of Gaza, but that only succeeded in gaining near universal world-wide condemnation. As far as I can tell, Israel has gained nothing from their friendship with Bush. Even the invasion of Iraq and the hanging of Saddam Hussein did Israel little good. Now they are in a near panic about the resulting increased influence of the Iranian Revolutionary Government.
By contrast, Obama does not promise to let Israel continue to build settlements and invade their neighbors whenever there are repercussions.
Mr. Obama, meanwhile, pressed Mr. Netanyahu to freeze the construction of Israeli settlements on the West Bank.
“Settlements have to be stopped in order for us to move forward,” Mr. Obama said. “That’s a difficult issue. I recognize that. But it’s an important one, and it has to be addressed.”
Actually, I want to give you more of his answer on what Israel must do, for context:
OBAMA: Now, Israel is going to have to take some difficult steps as well. And I shared with the prime minister the fact that under the road map, under Annapolis, there is a clear understanding that we have to make progress on settlements; that settlements have to be stopped in order for us to move forward.
That’s a difficult issue. I recognize that. But it’s an important one, and it has to be addressed.
The humanitarian situation in Gaza has to be addressed.
Now, I was along the border in Sderot, and saw the evidence of weapons that had been rained down on the heads of innocents in those Israeli cities. And that’s unacceptable. So we’ve got to work with the Egyptians to deal with the smuggling of weapons. And it has to be meaningful, because no prime minister of any country is going to tolerate missiles raining down on their citizens’ heads.
On the other hand, the fact is is that if the people of Gaza have no hope, if they can’t even get clean water at this point, if the border closures are so tight that it is impossible for reconstruction and humanitarian efforts to take place, then that is not going to be a recipe for Israel’s long-term security or a constructive peace track to move forward.
So all these things are going to have to come together. And it’s going to be difficult.
I don’t know that I would of changed a word to that response. It’s interesting that Israel chose to elect a man who is opposed to a two-state solution at this time. Netanyahu knows full well that his government will fall quicker than an apple in autumn if he gets crossways of the Obama administration. His job in these meetings (as he saw it), was to get a firm commitment from America that we will not allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. In practical terms, that meant getting Obama to set some kind of deadline for progress in negotiations with Iran. In this, he failed. Obama refused to set a deadline, but he did say that we should have a better sense of how things are going by the end of the year.
There is a lot of wishful thinking from hardline supporters of Israel, but the Jerusalem Post caught the gist of things with their headline Obama insists Palestinians must have state, rejects Iran deadline. The Post provided clear-eyed reporting:
Asked about reports in the media that Israel felt progress on Iran needed to be linked to progress with the Palestinians, Obama explicitly rejected the formulation, saying, “If there is a linkage between Iran and the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, I personally believe it actually runs the other way: To the extent that we can make peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis, then I actually think it strengthens our hand in the international community in dealing with the potential Iranian threat.”
According to Haaretz, Obama sent a message to Netanyahu before he even left Israel for these meetings:
U.S. President Barack Obama has sent a message to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu demanding that Israel not surprise the U.S. with an Israeli military operation against Iran. The message was conveyed by a senior American official who met in Israel with Netanyahu, ministers and other senior officials.
Even Rahm Emanuel has been issuing tough talk to the Israelis about thinking they can distract us about the settlements with fearmongering about Iran.
Israel isn’t going to be able to fake this effort. It’s still possible that Iran is as intransigent as its worst critics claim. If they do not come to the table, we’ll see this effort at Middle East peace fail just as surely as every previous effort has failed. But, we have the best chance in recent history for the simple reason that our president isn’t fooled by cheap rhetoric. Israel will have to bend this time and only their enemies can prevent progress.
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America’s spy chief Leon Panetta was sent on a secret mission to Israel to warn its leaders not to launch a surprise attack on Iran without notifying the US Administration.
(JPost) US to Israel: Tone down rhetoric on Iran
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
Do you think we would authorize covert operations to prevent an Israeli attack?
I have no doubt A. Lieberman would launch an strike if he thought for a minute we were going to succeed with Iran. Barak wouldn’t along with it so it wouldn’t happen right now, but my point is, if Lieberman could, he would.
(What it is about guys named Lieberman? First Joe and now Avi? Total scum both of them.)
Stunning… was this just a “friendly” reminder to Israel from the new Obama administration– kind of like, “hey, we’re OK with whatever you want to do to Iran, just give us a coupla days notice”?
this is weak.
I’m not sure what Panetta was doing there.. this sounds like a cover story.. Israel/the U.S. work together on pretty much everything going on there. so the notion Panetta was there to “warn” Israel is nonsense. there’s something else going on here.
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I do believe AIPAC’s acts will backfire on the Obama administration. The ousting of Chas Freeman as candidate for US Intelligence czar may well have sealed Obama’s hard stance on Israeli interference on U.S. policy.
The new Arab peace initiative version presented by Abdullah simply spells out some of the provisions of the original text, such the nature of the “normal relations” on offer by Arab governments. This and other gestures would reward Israel for its withdrawal to the pre-1967 war lines, i.e. its pullback from the West Bank, Golan Heights and historic Jerusalem, its acceptance of Palestinian statehood and the return of the refugees to their former homes.
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The goals include “an immediate renewal of U.S.-mediated Israeli-Palestinian negotiations toward the establishment of a Palestinian state”; the “cessation of Palestinian terror attacks on Israelis and of weapons smuggling into Gaza“; a freeze on West Bank settlement construction and a halt to demolitions of Palestinian homes in east Jerusalem; the “immediate reconstruction of Gaza”; and the “pursuit of a comprehensive peace between Israel and its neighbors, including Syria, using the Arab Peace Initiative as a basis for negotiations.”
More signs of trouble for Likudniks:
≈ My earlier comment in Mattes’ diary — Obama to warn Netanyahu: ‘No more blank cheques’ ≈
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
Hey, Oui, thanks for the references. You are so helpful.
Another powerful post, BooMan. You are on a great roll.
Perhaps, Obama can reignite the Mid East peace process. That would be like a breath of spring. Good luck to him and all the other peacemakers in this world of ours.
Re Iran and the nuclear weapon, how about if Israel surrenders its arsenal of some one hundred to two hundred nuclear bombs? That ought to jump start nuclear disarmament in the Mid East and, quite possibly, save the entire planet. Seems like there is more at stake in the Middle East than just the Middle East.
And just what did Obama achieve during this historic meeting with PM Netanyahu?
If this were not all, Israeli press reported the start of a new settlement in the West Bank, on the very morning of the Obama meeting.
How’s that for a slap in the face? Every reason to be pessimistic. Bibi’s arrogance was already showing before the meeting.
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David Elhayani, head of the Jordan Valley regional council that oversees Maskiot , confirmed to Reuters he had issued the tender last week for contractors to launch infrastructure work.
“It’s a process that will take months, to prepare infrastructure before we can build. We are proceeding in an orderly fashion,” Elhayani said.
Elhayani insisted that the construction is being carried out completely legally.
“There is full consensus among Zionist parties that the Jordan Valley must remain under Israeli control within the framework of any diplomatic deal,” he said. “The Jordan Valley is necessary for the sake of national security, and woe to the administration that strays from this path.”
Making Maskiot: Israel’s settlement expansion – 20 Feb 08 (VIDEO)
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
From The Foreign Affairs Association’s World Affairs Blog Network
Sounds hopeful, yet the quote above comes from a piece titled, “Peace Process Lip Service.”
A Palestinian friend of mine once told me that the violence escalates only up to a point, then all parties back off and let the world come in and attempt to broker a settlement. Which fails, and the cycle of violence begins again. I think that’s what we’re seeing here, with the shock of Gaza being the climactic act of the latest round.
Along with the provcation of Israel’s invasion, the influx of aid to the Palestinians gives the PA a little more clout and I expect an attempt to internally marginalize Hamas in the coming months. Iran might have something to say about this.
Meanwhile, the settlement building, renamed “outposts,” and the enclosure of East Jerusalem continues, and whether Obama’s influence can overcome both the religous irredentist impulse and the IDF’s desire to eliminate the huge salient that is the West Bank remains to be seen. American influence has done so before, but I think Obama will be tested by hardliners both in Israel and here in the Unired States. Howard Berman, who chairs the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, and ranking Republican Ileana Ros-Lehtinen are both fairly uncritical supporters of Israel, and I would expect problems from this quarter for Obama.
While Obama tries cautiously to engage Iran, Berman is in there pitching for the hardline. In her first appearance before the committee to Berman’s call for “crippling sanctions” against Iran, both in his opening remarks as well as his very first question to Clinton. He had already introduced HR 2194 a bill imposing sanctions on Iran’s ability to import gas.
And I think we can trust Avigor Lieberman to toss a few spanners in the works as well. The mindset that allows the ex-bouncer to assume Israel’s top diplomatic post does not bode well.
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Your link to Jerusalem Post shows new headline after press conference with Israeli media – Netanyahu: US to present new plan
The body language of PM Netanyahu clearly showed an awkward disappointment. A JPost column gives a further analysis of summit result:
While the spin doctors rushed to work behind the scenes as soon as it was over, the reality of PM Binyamin Netanyahu’s first White House meeting with President Barack Obama was immediately plain for all to see and hear at their joint mini-press conference. This was a meeting of unequals, a meeting in which the head of the world’s most powerful nation, however battered of late, firmly asserted its primacy in the face of a supplicant ally, however feisty.
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Obama went further, pushing the prime minister to seize a perceived “historic opportunity to get serious movement,” referring positively to progress within the Annapolis process so unloved by the new Israeli coalition, criticizing the Israeli economic pressure on Gaza which was leaving Gazans with “no hope,” and urging Israel to honor the road map commitment to a settlement freeze.
“I have great confidence in Prime Minister Netanyahu’s political skills, but also [in] his historic vision,” said Obama, just a little patronizingly. And then, moving into full-blown teacher-to-pupil mode, he added: “I have great confidence that he is going to rise to the occasion.”
US President Barack Obama smiles during his meeting with
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu at the White House. (AP)
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
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Obama meets Netanyahu at the White House
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
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JERUSALEM, May 19 (Reuters) – Jewish settler leaders shrugged off U.S. President Barack Obama’s call for Israel to halt settlement building in the occupied West Bank, saying Palestinians needed to “halt terror first”.
Dani Dayan, chairman of the West Bank settlers’ umbrella organisation Yesha Council, said he felt assured that domestic political support would allow settlers to continue to live in the occupied West Bank.
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu met Obama for talks at the White House on Monday and the U.S. president afterwards reminded Israel of its commitment under a 2003 U.S.-backed peace “road map” to stop settlement building in the occupied West Bank.
“Obama’s words were factually incorrect,” Dayan said. He relied on the road map, but it does not impose on Israel to halt building in Judea and Samaria (the West Bank), because the Palestinians do not carry out their commitment, which comes beforehand, to stop terror.”
About half a million Jews live in more than 100 settlements Israel has built on land Israel captured in the 1967 Middle East war in the West Bank and Arab East Jerusalem, territory in which close to three million Palestinians live.
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
Yup. No doubts about what they’ll continue to do.
End the alliance.
I was trying to remember whether any US president has ever openly told Israel that the settlements must stop. Carter maybe? In any case the world didn’t fall apart, did it? Now to see whether Obama follows up the words with the money stick. If Israel refuses to cooperate it’s time to quit treating it as a special buddy.
Not unusual at all:
Sorry, I’ve heard this all before..
the real indication of where we are headed (status quo) was the approval last fall of the new U.S. ten year “aid” package for Israel.. which basically is a huge subsidy for Israel to continue to purchase state of the art weapons systems from U.S. defense contractors.
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet deal which everyone on the Arab street knows about.. and does absolutely nothing for the peace process… in fact, this works against it, totally.
please give me the numbers for the packages that Jordan and Egypt get.
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AMMAN, Jordan (Petra) May 17, 2009 — His Majesty King Abdullah II affirmed that peace was an Arab Israeli, American and international interest, because peace meant development, a better future, and economic growth and cooperation.
In an interview with Director of Agence France-Presse office in Amman Randa Habib, the King said if Israel was keen to have normal relations with Arab states, it should withdraw from all occupied Palestinian, Syrian and Lebanese lands.
“There is a tremendous need to move quickly, seriously and effectively.
Otherwise the possibilities of a new round of violence, a new war, will increase and the region and the world will pay the price,” he said.
Israel, he added, now has a chance to live in peace and achieve acceptance within the region according to the Arab Peace Initiative, and it must choose between this and continued isolation within the region and bearing responsibility for continued conflict and the threat of war.
Aid package $660 million
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
Huh?
Booman, you really need to slow down and read my posts.
note that I mentioned the U.S. ten year “aid”/weapons deal for Israel.. one in a long line of similar ten year “aid” deals- FOR ISRAEL.
I said nothing about U.S. aid to Egypt or Jordan, so this is irrelevant to the discussion.
the 800 pound gorilla in the room is in fact the continuous, carte blanche “aid” packages to Israel combined with the joint military efforts between Israel and the U.S.
this context continues to undermine any/all efforts toward “peace in the middle east”. any notion Obama is going to succeed where others have failed (with the same underlying context) is a farce/delusion.
BTW, Hizbollah is asking for funding from the IMF since it appears they may win a majority in the upcoming election in Lebanon.
I thought Israel was going to destroy Hizbollah?
Wrong again.
http://www.turkishweekly.net/media/513928/hizbollah-tries-to-secure-imf-funds.html
it is not irrelevant that we give huge amounts of military and non-military aid to Jordan and Egypt as well as to Israel. In fact, understanding that is a key to understanding anti-U.S. terrorism and what to do about it.
I suggest you look at Oui’s post upstream:
$114 Billion from the U.S. to Israel since 1948, I believe.
aid to Egypt?
$50 Billion is certainly a large amount, but it’s not as much as what Israel gets from the U.S.. in addition, one would have to look at how much of this money Egypt uses to buy weapons from U.S. defense companies.. I’m guessing it’s not as much as what Israel spends.
Again, the relevance of this is small. is Egypt blocking the formation of a Palestinian state> looks to me like Mubarek is OK with it:
therefore the notion U.S. aid to Egypt undermines the peace process is weak. why do I not hear complaints about Egypt from the palestinians? is it Egypt using their military to smash Lebanon and Gaza?
gimme a break.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=162434&contrassID=3&subContrassID=0&am
p;sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0412/p07s01-wome.html
no. U.S. aid to Egypt is designed to maintain peach between Israel and Egypt. We pay for the peace. We also pay for the peace in Jordan. The Egyptian people resent this situation and hate their government for their alliance with the United States. Ayman al-Zawahiri and Mohammed Atta were both Egyptians who were more angry about the U.S.-Egyptian alliance than the treatment of Palestinians.
The Egyptian government cracks down on any dissent because popular opinion would not favor maintaining official relations with Israel. My point is that our military aid to Israel is not the whole picture. We arm all three of the participants in the peace processes of 1978-79 and 1993-4.
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Total U.S. aid to Israel, 1948-2008
$114 billion
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
Excellent post and replies. I’ve enjoyed reading all of them.
Talk peace and they’ll blow us up. I will never forget Netanyahu making the comment that he would burn THIS country down if he was forced to make peace with Palestinians.