One of the interesting things about Israel is that it is much more self-critical and contemplative than most people give it credit for. All you really have to do to prove this to yourself is to read their left-wing press. You’ll quickly discover that Jews living in Israel consistently publish things in the newspaper that our mainstream media would never allow to see the light of day. An example that proves my point is running right now in the New York Times. Helene Cooper’s Washington Asks: What to Do About Israel? is already a bit risque for our domestic press.
Why?
She explains:
Some topics are so inflammatory that they are never discussed without first inserting a number of caveats. And so, when Anthony Cordesman, a foreign policy dignitary in this town’s think tank circuit, dropped an article on Wednesday headlined “Israel as a Strategic Liability,” he made sure to open with a plethora of qualifications.
First, he noted, America’s commitment to Israel is motivated by morality and ethics — a reaction to the Holocaust, to Western anti-Semitism and to American foot-dragging before and during World War II that left European Jews slaughtered by the Nazis. Second, Israel is a democracy with the same values as the United States. Third, the United States will never abandon Israel, and will help it keep its military edge over its neighbors. And America will guard Israel against an Iranian nuclear threat.
But once Mr. Cordesman had dispensed with what in the newspaper world is called the “to-be-sure” paragraphs, he laid out a dispassionate argument that has gained increased traction in Washington — both inside the Obama administration (including the Pentagon, White House and State Department) and outside, during forums, policy breakfasts, even a seder in Bethesda. Recent Israeli governments, particularly the one led by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Mr. Cordesman argued, have ignored the national security concerns of its biggest benefactor, the United States, and instead have taken steps that damage American interests abroad.
That the New York Times is willing to publish Ms. Cooper’s piece is actually a departure from common practice and demonstrates that things are actually changing in a much more serious way than Cooper is even allowed to suggest. But you could have read stronger, more accurate, analysis along the same lines from left-wing Israeli outlets at any time over the last decade.
The Anshel Pfeffer piece I linked to above is hardly unique for Haaretz, but it would be jarring to see a piece that critical of the Israeli leadership and its citizenry in a ‘respectable’ American publication.
One thing that I found interesting about Pfeffer’s opinion piece is that he ultimately blamed Israel’s diaspora (meaning the Jews who do not live in Israel) for Israel’s shortcomings and mistakes. He’s basically making the argument that the diaspora has been too supportive of Israel’s bad decisions and that it is their responsibility to stand up and make Israel change its course.
If only we had some real friends, friends we could trust implicitly, who could point out the error of our ways. This could be the shining moment of the Jewish Diaspora. They love us, but they also see things from another perspective. We need a strong, unified voice from the Jewish leadership in the United States and Europe telling Israelis enough is enough, you are hurtling down the slippery slope of pariahdom and causing untold damage to yourselves and us. Lift your heads above the ramparts and see that the world has moved on.
Instead, we find the establishment of the Jewish world crouching with us in the bunker.
I don’t want to overhype them, but J Street is trying to fulfill that function. It’s a new organization and it’s influence is just starting to be felt, but they look at the Israel/Palestine question from a pro-Israel progressive point of view. I know there has been a real thirst for this kind of leadership among progressive Jews in this country, and they don’t deserve to be blamed for inaction in the face of bad behavior on the part of right-wing Israeli governments.
“The prior administration’s worldview lined up more with the Israeli government,” said Jeremy Ben-Ami, founder of J Street, a liberal Jewish lobbying group. “Now we’re seeing a reflection of a different worldview, that gives you a completely different set of policies and priorities.”
Mr. Ben-Ami says he represents Jews who support Israel, but not all of its policies. Some of them are raising the issue of Israeli government actions as a strategic liability for the United States,
It really comes down to the settlements. There is a degree of discomfort on the left in America about Israel’s desire to be simultaneously a Jewish state and a democracy. And there is a degree of guilt about Israel being a kind of post-modern European colonial imposition on the Third World. But that is all manageable. What the left finds indefensible is the expansion of settlements. So far, America has been willing and able to defend Israel, right or wrong. But that’s changing. If J Street fails to make an impression on Israeli politics, the next generation of American Jews is likely to outright oppose the very existence of Israel. It’s not anti-Semites who are driving a wedge between the United States and Israel. Most anti-Semites in this country are strong supporters of right-wing Israeli politics. The wedge is being driven by the Israeli government itself, because most American Jews are progressive in their political outlook, and they don’t support the settlers.
What’s strange is that it is okay to talk about this in Israel, but not okay to talk about it here.
What’s strange is that it is okay to talk about this in Israel, but not okay to talk about it here.
It’s because, even though they constitute a very small minority, Jewish RWNJ’s(ie. Bill Kristol .. Marty Peretz), control the debate in this country. And the RWNJ view on Israel has even infected otherwise stalwart Progressives like Anthony Weiner and Spitzer.
No, it hasn’t. The problem is indefensible behavior coupled with a reflexive support of Israeli policy. Weiner and Spitzer are not nut-jobs, but they are very protective of America’s opinion of Israel.
I didn’t say Weiner and Spitzer were nutjobs. Only that they’ve have the same view re: Israel as all the other reflexive supporters. Heck, did you hear what both Weiner and Brad Sherman said? Both have clealy lost any clear-headedness on that subject.
they don’t want us to be clear-headed. They simultaneously want Israel to change its policies and to protect America’s perceptions of Israel. They do their honest critiques behind closed doors. It’s just like a family that fights in the privacy of their house but defends itself against all attacks, fair or false, from the outside.
“. . .a reflection of a different worldview, that gives you a completely different set of policies and priorities.”
I don’t see it from Biden, Pelosi and Hoyer. Who does. The US Washington contingent is pro-Likud. Big mistake. The Turks will now clarify some thinking.
Rosenberg: Being pro-Likud is being anti-Israel, because the new controlling Israeli factions — conservatives and Russian Jews — are not acting in Israel’s best democratic interests.
By definition, Washington is pro-Likud because AIPAC is pro-Likud. Considering all of the superfluous anti-Palestinian legislation passed by the House and Senate, this point is hard to argue against.
We, as much as Israel, are the enemy of peace in the Middle East.
Here’s another excellent example of the point you make about the left wing press in Israel. Anthony Weiner et al would be frothing at the mouth if this kind of thing appeared here.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/nothing-to-investigate-everyone-knows-what-was-wrong-ab
out-the-flotilla-attack-1.293885
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Indeed one of many thoughtful articles one can find in Haaretz newspaper. In many of my diaries on the I/P issue I find support from Haaretz journalists and opinion writers. I imagine it’s political corruption and money flow from corporations and charities that surpass legal taxation bounds to hold Israelis captive. The single fact of using the Shoa as a PR piece across the western world keeps a false victimhood of today’s state of Israel and its government of thugs.
(Haaretz) – Israel is in thrall to a destructive, vicious cycle, like that of a drug addict or a violent man, which repeats itself (with some variations) at every turn. Each time the cycle becomes shorter, and a suicidal ending seems inevitable at the moment.
It happens like this: Israel uses immense force to attack an immeasurably smaller and weaker entity, which it perceives as nothing less than a dangerous enemy threatening its existence. By attacking, Israel inflicts huge damage to many people, among them the innocent or the presumed innocent, and causes itself enormous damage because the world is furious at it.
Israel once again feels threatened and defends itself by further entrenchment – physical, military and diplomatic. All proposals for change are seen as a threat, and Israel does its best to reject them.
The Jewish people in Zion has in the past been the victim of horrific violence. Israel today is captive to a false sense of victimhood, which goes together with both a sense of false omnipotence and guilt-cum-aggressiveness.
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
“Mr. Ben-Ami says he represents Jews who support Israel, but not all of its policies. Some of them are raising the issue of Israeli government actions as a strategic liability for the United States…“
GAWD! Why does it always come down to what’s good for the USA? How about someone – anyone! – raising the issue of Israeli government actions as inhumane, immoral, unethical, dishonest, and in violation of international law, not to mention the rules of fundamental human decency?
Experience shows that that sort of argument has limited effect.
Anywhere.
I share your disgust. But the simple, ugly truth is that the default policy of the US govt and far too many of the American people is and always has been a knee-jerk, unquestioning support of the Israeli government in power at the time, no matter how misguided it may be, no matter how harmful to the true interests and welfare of America, of Israel and its neighbors, or of the world. Until that changes, nothing else about the plight of Israel and its neighbors is going to change very much, and certainly not for the better. It is at least slightly encouraging that the question is even being raised, however tentatively.
In 1956, Ben Gurion agreed with you and went on an unauthorized adventure with the Brits and French. Eisenhower set them straight on their role and with a few small exceptions, they have never again stepped out of place. However, the current government is very connected to the US neo-con party that does not believe that the Obama government is legit. In fact Gingrich was just in Jerusalem making this case. The US far right is bankrolling the Israeli far right and we are in a situation, common to empires, where out of power factions attempt to build power bases far from the imperial homeland.
All that was before the rise of AIPAC. George Bush Sr. tried the same thing, got tough with Israel, then backed off.
What specific incident with GB1 do you have in mind. I don’t recall anything in particular – except the loan which Bush won on, if I recall correctly.
I don’t think it’s a ‘knee jerk’ reaction at all!!!! It is the direct result of the attacks of AIPAC/ANTIsemitism propaganda, which is why the US/zionists scream ‘antisemitism’ at anyone who even considers critizing BLOODYISRAEL. It’s the direct result of the intense propaganda assalt of AIPAC over the last 40yrs.
Well, I don’t think you can get a place at the table if that’s the rhetoric you choose. You have to be willing to engage in the ‘to-be-sure’ paragraphs to get taken seriously in this country. This isn’t about winning an argument but about changing perceptions.
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The al Qaeda link has been retracted from the IDF accounts of the Gaza aid flotilla attack.
Under Scrutiny, IDF Retracts Claims About Flotilla’s Al Qaeda Links
(Mondoweiss) – Some participants in the Gaza convoy are members of Insan Hak ve Hürriyetleri İnsani Yardım Vakfı –the Foundation for Human Rights, Liberties, and Humanitarian Relief– IHH, a Turkish non-governmental organizaion (NGO) established in the early 1990s. Its mission is to provide humanitarian relief in regions of conflict or that have experienced natural disasters. For the past six years, IHH has held Special Consultative status as an NGO (non-governmental organization) in the United Nations Economic and Social Council.
WTF reading interesting part of the article “evidence” of IHH terror link to al Qaeda on 90s. It was the United States who coordinated illegal transport of arms with Saudi funds, transported by and through NATO ally Turkey into Bosnia. If the statement is true, the IHH must have been linked to the CIA, indeed a terror organization who provides arms to terror groups, rogue states and mujahideen fighters of al Qaeda in Bosnia in the 90s and OBL in Afghanistan in the 80s.
“It was clearly proven that some of the NGO’s work was not charity, it was to provide a facade for moving funds, weapons and mujahedeen to and from Bosnia and Afghanistan” – areas focused on by Islamic militants then.
Arms (originated in Iran!!) transported into Bosnia was illegal under the UN embargo for the former Yugoslav states. Read about the Croatian Pipeline.
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Clinton-Approved Iranian Arms Transfers Help Turn Bosnia into Militant Islamic Base
In April 1994, President Clinton gave the government of Croatia what has been described by Congressional committees as a “green light” for shipments of weapons from Iran and other Muslim countries to the Muslim-led government of Bosnia. The policy was approved at the urging of NSC chief Anthony Lake and the U.S. ambassador to Croatia Peter Galbraith. The CIA and the Departments of State and Defense were kept in the dark until after the decision was made.
Dutch Srebrenica report: Croatian Pipeline
by Oui on Sun Mar 23rd, 2008 at 12:33:02 PM PST
From Soj’s diary more on the The Croatian pipeline. My comment: this permitted the establishment of a Saudi funded Islamic cell on the Balkans which turned later into an Al Qaeda cell which is still not eradicated.
30 May 96 Hearing
House International Relations Committee
Washington — U.S. Ambassador to Germany Charles Redman and U.S. Ambassador to Croatia Peter Galbraith testified May 30, 1996 before the House International Relations Committee regarding 1994 Iranian arms shipments to Bosnian government military forces. At the time of these shipments, the Bosnians were in danger of being overwhelmed by Serbian forces armed with tanks and other heavy weapons the Bosnians could not counter.
Ambassador Galbraith said he knew Croatian authorities would interpret his statement that he had no instructions regarding the transshipment of arms from Iran and other countries through Croatia to beleaguered Bosnian forces as meaning that the United States would not object to the move.
Both ambassadors noted at that time that Iran had already been supplying arms to the Bosnians since 1992.
Ambassador Redman said: “In retrospect, I believe that the decision not to oppose the Croatian initiative was crucial to all that followed in the Balkans.” He said that after the Serbs overran Gorazde, “the Bosnian government was in dire straits.” He contended that if the United States had blocked the Iranian arms supply initiative, “it very likely would have doomed the (Croat-Muslim) Federation and exacerbated an already desperate military situation for the Bosnians.
“Instead,” he said, “the Bosnian armed forces held on and began to counterattack. The Federation survived, UNPROFOR remained in place, helping the Bosnians through another difficult winter, and we bought time for a combination of American diplomacy, NATO air power and Croatian and Bosnian military victories, to reach an historic peace agreement in Dayton.”
NSA and intelligence gathering …
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
The role of people like Adelson and Hagee in Israel is enormously destructive – they have terrible effects on American politics and Israel is a smaller and more high pressure venue.
The best thing the US could immediately do in that area is to declare West Bank Settler organizations terrorist organizations and seize Mr. Adelson’s assets, perhaps he and Hagee could be sent to Bagram.
A look at the big picture might help to explain why Israel doesn’t give a hoot about American security needs.
I disagree on two minor parts
“criminal indifference for (non-Jewish) human life”
They don’t care about Jewish lives either.
“Its leaders, both civilian and military, are not fumbling, hysterical novices. Their actions are deliberate and carefully weighed”
The leaders of Israel are stupid people who think they are very smart – a dangerous combination. They are exactly as capable of “deliberate and carefully weighed” actions as Rumsfeld, Bush, Cheney.
“If J Street fails to make an impression on Israeli politics, the next generation of American Jews is likely to outright oppose the very existence of Israel.”
Wow, that’s an astonishing statement. You’re saying American Jews will soon be more hostile to Israel than many US rightwing fundie anti-Semites and many Islam-dominated states in the ME. If you turn out to be correct it will be weird to find myself lined up with psychos of the Hagee kind defending Israel’s existence against American Jews.
What do you mean by “expansion of settlements”? Further encroachment from the current status, or the historical expansion beyond the original borders? To me, it’s the latter that’s the sticking point, and I don’t see how there can be any compromise on it.
But to your main point, yes, it’s been true and remarkable for some time that Israel’s media has freer and franker discussion of settlements, the idea of a Jewish state vs a democratic state, the role of the military as oppressor, and other hot-button issues than you’ll find in their US counterparts. Gets one wondering whether the US, more than Israel, is the core of the problem.