Slut-Walking

17 Comments

1. 

   KNUCKLEHEAD on May 9, 2011 at 8:11 pm

   Yes, it should offend people.
   Jeez, a woman should be able to walk freely with no fear of being raped as well as a child from a pederast.
   I leave my keys in the car with the windows down when I go shopping at my local market.
   I really get pissed when people blame the victim, & especially when the perpetrator uses the excuse that how she was dressed, was asking for it.
   Now let`s compare that to how a pedophile could blame his victim. She was 14 but had the body of a 10 year old.
   Can`t people walk around safely anymore.
   It reminds me of the movie with Jodie Foster, a screenplay from a true story.

   • 

     BooMan on May 9, 2011 at 9:45 pm

     I think leaving your keys in your unlocked car is quite a bit more “asking for it” than wearing skimpy clothes. After all, what’s the point of leaving your car so vulnerable?  

     • 

       KNUCKLEHEAD on May 10, 2011 at 12:21 am

       Then why should a woman or a child be vulnerable.
       Why should I be asking for “it”, because I believe in the better nature of humans.
       I go to biker meets with my priceless Knucklehead, along with thousands of other bikers & none get stolen.
       I should also mention that I do not lock my doors when I leave my home.
       But that`s how I roll.

       • 

         BooMan on May 10, 2011 at 9:18 am

         Don’t get me wrong.  If someone steals your car or bike, they are the ones to blame.  But it is not very hard to take your keys with you and there doesn’t seem to be any compelling reason not to.  

2. 

   mainsailset on May 9, 2011 at 9:59 pm

   Years ago I was tboned in an intersection. Guy jumped out of his car and screamed at me that it was my fault going through my green light when he was already there going through his red light. He was still screaming when the police arrived to cart him off.

   People who defend themselves, and those that let them, by using the slut walking logic just plain have a screw loose.

3. 

   supersoling on May 9, 2011 at 10:38 pm

   I’m going to post a link to a diary that was written on the subject of rape here at BT almost 5 years ago now. It was but one of many written by some pretty extraordinary women who populated this blog at that time. Some, only a few really, are still here.

   I saved many of the diaries because I was personally in awe of the raw honesty and courage it took to write them and share them in the open. Although, at least for me, BT didn’t feel like “the open” back then. It was more of a community. Maybe those women felt that way too and it helped them to share the amazing insights and experiences that they left here in the archives.

   Most of all though, as a man I felt as if a rare opportunity to learn was being offered by these women to me and other men here. So, I shut up and read…and read.

   I would like to believe that I’m a bit of a better person for having had the luck to be here at that same time.

   http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2006/8/22/224948/393  

   • 

     KNUCKLEHEAD on May 10, 2011 at 12:28 am

     Super,
     I first met you on a diary about child abuse & the mothers who wouldn`t put a stop to their child`s abuse by their husbands.
     I did get flack about my position then, but still have the same position.
     Nice to see you & hope you & yours are well.
     I imagine that you remember my take on things as does BooMan.

     • 

       supersoling on May 10, 2011 at 9:26 pm

       To tell you the truth, Knuck, I don’t recall your position. There aren’t many positions to take in those situations really.

       That’s one subject that I have a lot to say about, and I’ll leave it at that.

   • 

     Don Durito on May 10, 2011 at 1:57 am

     Thankfully we have those archives. Those of us who were around at that point in time were indeed quite fortunate. Hard to believe that was about five years ago.

     • 

       Oui on May 10, 2011 at 7:24 am

       .

       Annual ‘Jeans for Justice’ event

       HICKORY, N.C. — The Rape Crisis Center of Catawba County, Inc., will host the annual Jeans for Justice Event on May 14. It will take place at the Hickory Museum of Art on the SALT Block.

       Jeans for Justice was initiated after a judge of the Italian High Court overturned a 1998 rape conviction of a 45-year-old driving instructor who had been convicted of raping his 18-year-old student. A lower court had sentenced the defendant to 2 years and eight months in prison, but the appeals court sent the case back to a higher court for retrial. They overturned the ruling because the victim was wearing tight jeans.

       USDOJ – Office on Violence Against Women

       "But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

     • 

       supersoling on May 10, 2011 at 9:36 pm

       It is a little hard to believe. When Bush swiped the second election, the catalyst that brought me to political blogs, and I envisioned another four years of his insanity it looked like an impossibly long road. Now we’re two years past his second term and into a different brand of state madness.

       And the clock keeps ticking.

       • 

         Don Durito on May 10, 2011 at 11:25 pm

         Dennis Perrin’s take on the madness:

         Killer Highs. A bit off topic, but since the topic of a different flavor of state madness got mentioned, I couldn’t resist.

         • 

           supersoling on May 11, 2011 at 12:13 am

           Thanks for that link. Spot on observations, there. I’ve seen the same shit pretty much everywhere online. My Facebook page is like a post-apocalyptic wasteland with nothing but tumbleweeds dropping in, since I have this unfortunate habit of going against the grain pretty openly. I mostly imagine my “friends” and family members having pity on me, for surely I am lost….

            Forget about it in real life. You turn down the death weed and the thumping is for real.

4. 

   Oui on May 10, 2011 at 7:06 am

   .

   New Women’s Clothing Ban in Brooklyn

   Hasidic rabbis in Williamsburg, Brooklyn ban “clingy,” “slinky” knits. Rabbis also ban a new women’s hair salon on Lee Ave, which they say is “taken from the ways of the goyyim [non-Jews].”  

   Haredi Rabbi Bans Women From Teaching 10-Year-Old Boys

   A woman teaching 10-year-old boys is compromising their chastity, according to Holon’s Chief Rabbi Avraham Yosef, son of senior Sephardi adjudicator Rabbi Ovadia Yosef.

   “A woman can teach boys so long it takes place in a large area with no risk of her being alone with the pupils’ fathers, up to the third grade and by no means beyond. This means the age of nine, perhaps a bit more… but fourth grade and higher would be considered a woman standing before boys who understand, and that is promiscuity and totally prohibited.”

   • My new diary – Women in the Tradition of Abram

   "But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

5. 

   Alice on May 10, 2011 at 8:57 am

   Girls learn at a young age that they are targets of violence.  I thought of this post last night as I watched a film on PBS of Mississippi racists explaining  that the three murdered Freedom Riders were probably asking for it. Black men carried signs saying “I am a man” forcing us to see that.   But soon they laid claim to all the ugly names they were called, and now only the hateful dare to use those names.

   Like the man said – woman is the nigger of the world.

   The world is what it is, but yes we can change it.  It’s good to know that some fathers are asking those questions.

6. 

   seabe on May 10, 2011 at 11:12 am

   I wrote something pertaining to this during a FB argument with a bunch of LIBERALS. Far lefties, too. It was disgusting. I eventually turned my argument into an essay for a class:

   I really didn’t want to get into this topic, mainly because it was so far along that I didn’t feel like playing catch up, but also because I felt like all the bases that needed to be covered were, well, covered.

   That said, I can’t stay out anymore. I sat here in World Regions listening to my professor talk about Pakistan not being able to control their country, reading over most of what’s been said, and it’s frankly a disgrace. It’s almost as if the group deemed apologia is one giant characterization of the article itself? Actually, rather than almost, it’s definitely a fitting caricature. I suppose you could call me a fitting caricature of a bra-burning feminazi or something, but I think that speaks more about your own shortcomings and comical stereotypes than my own.

   Most of the disagreements about this article and about the topic in general are that women aren’t necessarily to blame for being raped, but for being put in that situation, aye?

   I’m sure it’s been said before, but let me say it again: the blame NEVER, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever lies with the victim…NEVER, EVER.

   Look, I know the knee-jerk position to take is that the blame for being in the situation lies on the woman, but why would you ever do that? Personal responsibility? Please! It’s your personal responsibility to learn that no-means-no, and that inebriation cannot result in consent, ever.

   Just like much of the talk about socialism and communism in the United States political debate is about privilege and not about government spending, at least in its roots, to same with this talk about personal responsibility is rooted in misogyny, for more than one reason.

   Let’s look at my first reason. First, the more obvious: men have always been trying to shift burden from themselves onto women. I’m one to believe that the Bible is a complete fairy tale, but just read the first story. It’s about a guy who fucked up, but somehow it’s the woman’s fault for “tricking him.” “Look, God, I wouldn’t have done it if this whore had told me where the fruit came from. Don’t look at me!”

   Women have to be the ones to cover their bodies to stop men’s wandering eyes; women should have kept their legs closed instead of having sex; women should have raised their kids better rather than allowing them to become brats; women shouldn’t have ridden that horse and broken her hymen; women shouldn’t have worn that short skirt; women shouldn’t have gotten drunk.

   How about, YOU, MEN, should have some god damned self control over your actions that directly affect other people. Her drinking alcohol doesn’t mean she’s lost control over her body, in the context that I’m speaking. It’s not an invitation to you allowing yourself to sleep with her, only to shift the blame that maybe she shouldn’t have gotten into that situation in the first place. Women should be able to be just as safe as I am when I’m at a party. Could I get raped? Yeah, however, how likely is that to happen to me, as a man? Not likely, at least when you’re considering how much more likely it is to happen to a woman. Getting raped isn’t a consequence of alcohol consumption, sorry.

   Let’s look at the second reason. I think a lot of you won’t own up to your position and are so adamant in defending it because you have guilt yourselves. You’ve known a friend who got off with a girl when you knew you shouldn’t have let him go; you’ve perhaps engaged in the behavior yourself, and haven’t come to terms with it. With this, you feel the need to constantly argue against our position–rape is never the fault of the woman, ever–because you still haven’t forgiven yourself for it. Maybe you don’t want to forgive yourself because you legitimately believe what you spout, but the point is that there’s still a lingering guilt.

   I find the latter reason to probably be more frequent.

   Lastly, the final reason is simple: you’re a sexist pig. It’s as simple as that. When you combine a behavior of ravaging dislike of feminism, belittle it, have these positions on rape, and then proceed to make sex jokes about one night stands with women, it’s clear cut sexism. It’s not even sexist to make jokes about sleeping with women on one night stands, per se, but when you put that in context, it’s overwhelmingly obvious. Again, not as obvious that the wingnut movement decrying socialism is rooted in racism, but when you put it in contextual history and the fact that they’re crying about his birth certificate and talking about Kenya, it’s pretty blatant.

   And let me end with this. Rape doesn’t just hurt the victim, it hurts everyone. I speak as a man who is a self-declared feminist, who likes to go to parties, who also happens to love sex and picking up women. Every time I go to the bar and I talk to women, I am put at a significant disadvantage because of you assholes. The other night I grabbed a number because she noted she liked my choice of White Russians after I got my drink from the bartender, however, I’m still at an initial disadvantage. Why? Because of assholes like you, all women automatically think some guy at the bar wants to pick them up drunk, have sex with them once, and leave them on their merry way the next day. I like sex, I’ve had one night stands, but they’re not very appealing to me. If I talk to a woman at the bar, if I get her number that night, I usually want something more than sex. I want a relationship. Do they think that? Do their friends think that? Hell no, and with good reason, as we can see in this damned thread.

   I guess your justification for that is that I put myself at a disadvantage, given my choice and refusal to pick up women breaking their heels walking outside of the bar. For this, I say two things:

   1.) You’re a disgusting piece of shit
   2.) Maybe it’s a consequence of your and your mates’ decisions.

7. 

   Joelcr on May 10, 2011 at 12:39 pm

   In other words, if you didn’t want me to punch you in the face, you probably shouldn’t be an apologist for rape. Because if you are, you’re just asking for it, amiright?