I am going to highlight and discuss a few things from the president’s press conference today. To start, let’s look at his bottom line. First, the president made this remark: “I will not sign a 30-day or a 60-day or a 90-day extension.” He’s referring to the debt limit. Then he had this exchange:
Q Do you see any path to a deal if they don’t budge on taxes?
THE PRESIDENT: I do not see a path to a deal if they don’t budge, period. I mean, if the basic proposition is “it’s my way or the highway,” then we’re probably not going to get something done because we’ve got divided government. We’ve got Democrats controlling the Senate; we probably are going to need Democratic votes in the House for any package that could possibly pass. And so if, in fact, Mitch McConnell and John Boehner are sincere — and I believe they are — that they don’t want to see the U.S. government default, then they’re going to have to compromise just like Democrats are going to have to compromise; just like I have shown myself willing to compromise.
Now, let’s be frank. There are Blue Dogs in the House who might be willing to sign off on cuts to Social Security or Medicare and Medicaid, but not unless they get something on the revenue side in return. And to get more mainstream Democrats to consider such cuts, the Republicans will have to considerably sweeten the deal beyond what they’re offering now. The same can be said about the Senate, which is still under nominal Democratic control. The president sees the same thing that I’ve been seeing. Boehner either fails to produce any bill to increase the debt limit, presents a bill that fails, or he caves in and presents a bill that is almost universally acceptable to Democrats and a small handful of responsible Republicans. Those are his options. The only other option is to ram home some piece of crap bill with majority-Republican support and then fix it in Conference Committee with the Senate to be something that can pass both houses of Congress and that the president will sign. He may try the last option out of sheer desperation and in an effort to buy time. He can’t afford to simply fail to pass anything.
Now, moving on, what I am going to do here is splice together some fragments from different parts of the press conference. What I want to show is that the president wants to do more stimulus, but he can’t do it in the current political environment. He feels that he must tackle the deficit in order to pivot to jobs. Early on in the press conference he noted that the deal he is offering is not what he wants.
With respect to a balanced package, is the package that we’re talking about exactly what I would want? No. I might want more revenues and fewer cuts to programs that benefit middle-class families that are trying to send their kids to college, or benefit all of us because we’re investing more in medical research.
So I make no claims that somehow the position that Speaker Boehner and I discussed reflects 100 percent of what I want. But that’s the point. My point is, is that I’m willing to move in their direction in order to get something done. And that’s what compromise entails. We have a system of government in which everybody has got to give a little bit.
Later on, he answered a question from Sam Stein about why he would cut spending and touch Social Security when the former will exacerbate unemployment and the latter doesn’t impact the deficit. The president defended the Recovery Act as effective Keynesian economics, noting that states are now laying off teachers, cops, and firefighters because they have no more stimulus money. But then he said this:
So my strong preference would be for us to figure out ways that we can continue to provide help across the board. But I’m operating within some political constraints here, because whatever I do has to go through the House of Representatives.
What that means then is, is that among the options that are available to us is, for example, the payroll tax cut, which might not be exactly the kind of program that I would design in order to boost employment but does make a difference because it puts money in the pockets of people who are then spending it at businesses, large and small. That gives them more customers, increases demand, and it gives businesses a greater incentive to hire. And that would be, for example, a component of this overall package.
This answer should be instructive to a lot of progressive critics. The complete answer demonstrates that Obama would strongly prefer to provide more stimulus to the economy. He made the exact kind of intellectual defense of Keynesian economics that everyone from Krugman to Atrios has been begging him to make. But he can’t get the money to do it, and he’s not going to beat a dead horse. He has no choice but to move on and try other things. And he makes this even more clear in his last answer of the day.
We are now in a situation where because the economy has moved slower than we wanted, because of the deficits and debt that result from the recession and the crisis, that taking a approach that costs trillions of dollars is not an option. We don’t have that kind of money right now.
What we can do is to solve this underlying debt and deficit problem for a long period of time so that then we can get back to having a conversation about, all right, since we now have solved this problem, that’s not — no longer what’s hampering economic growth, that’s not feeding business and uncertainty, everybody feels that the ground is stable under our feet, are there some strategies that we could pursue that would really focus on some targeted job growth — infrastructure being a primary example.
I mean, the infrastructure bank that we’ve proposed is relatively small. But could we imagine a project where we’re rebuilding roads and bridges and ports and schools and broadband lines and smart grids, and taking all those construction workers and putting them to work right now? I can imagine a very aggressive program like that that I think the American people would rally around and would be good for the economy not just next year or the year after, but for the next 20 or 30 years.
But we can’t even have that conversation if people feel as if we don’t have our fiscal house in order. So the idea here is let’s act now. Let’s get this problem off the table. And then with some firm footing, with a solid fiscal situation, we will then be in a position to make the kind of investments that I think are going to be necessary to win the future.
Now, Obama is pretty explicitly embracing some right-wing frames about what’s hampering the economy here, but there’s a greater point. He’s saying 1) that he can’t invest trillions to get the economy moving again, and 2) that he can’t even have a conversation about stimulating the economy because of the debt-gorilla in the middle of the room. To be clear, it’s obvious from his earlier answers that he would strongly prefer to do more stimulus. Whether the money’s not there because we can’t afford it or because Congress won’t give it to him is immaterial, as the result is the same. It’s not an option.
There’s a problem with his reasoning here, and naturally everyone leapt on it immediately, including me. The Republicans aren’t going to stop complaining about taxes, debt, and deficits no matter what happens. We could be running a surplus and they’d still be complaining about government spending and taxes (see 2000). But, in fairness, the president is right that the 2010 midterms created a mandate for House Republicans to attack the deficit and the size of government. He has found himself blocked from taking any action unless and until he acknowledges that mandate. He can ignore it as a trumped up crisis, but he can’t move on to other things if he ignores it.
So, here we are. The president is making some tough decisions, and he’s still faced with nothing but intransigence.
Two questions:
1. Why not abandon tax revenues completely, and make the deal on further short term stimulus for long term budget cuts? The taxes sticking point is not going to be overcome in the next week. And liberals can afford to be fucked over on this one. We’ll live. The President has 80/90% approval among self-described Dems/liberals, respectively.
So, save the Bush tax cuts and loophole closings for later in the year, suck it up, and pass the stupid “small ball” Republican cuts plan in exchange for a double sided payroll tax cut extension through 2013 and the creation of that stupid infrastructure bank. Ta-da. Nobody wins. The President doesn’t get a win on taxes. Republicans don’t get a win on entitlements. But nobody loses either. They should be able to make that deal.
2. WTF were Democrats doing in 2010? Please tell me they didn’t actually believe in the summer of recovery and the permanent Democratic majority? Please tell me that this is all down to cowardice and not rank incompetency and economic illiteracy (or maybe innumeracy…)? How in the fuck do they constantly get themselves in these predicaments?
Aren’t you paying attention? Obama is going to sign number 1. And are you kidding? That’s a complete and total Republican win.
I see that EoC has laid it out rather nicely, too:
http://economicsofcontempt.blogspot.com/2011/07/obama-and-grand-bargain.html
There’s a difference between winning the battle and winning the war.
The Republicans pushed the operational tempo this time, they altered the previously established rules of the game on the debt ceiling. Congratulations to them, I hope they’re fucking proud of their nihilism.
But cutting the broader budget without giving the GOP an out on entitlements isn’t a win for them in 2012. They tried to abolish Medicare! And they’re fucked on the Bush tax cuts this time around. The deadline is on the Democrats’ side. Last time, it wasn’t.
So, in keeping with that reality, make the same damn deal that was made in December. If you structure the budget cuts properly, almost none of them should go into effect until FY2013. With a payroll tax holiday, that amounts to a net influx of fiscal stimulus (shitty stimulus, but still) this year. And this recovery is stagnant, and needs protecting above all else. A hurricane in Houston this summer could knock us into a recession again. An Italian bank failure could knock the whole damn planet back into recession.
Winning back the House in 2012 is the only thing in the world that matters anymore. It’s the only goal that anyone politically minded should have. Fuck the larger issues for now.
Taking a loss on budget cuts a year early, while preserving favorable positioning on tax revenues in the fall battles to come, plus an overwhelming advantage on Medicare that even the media can’t spin away, is what’s necessary to stay in line with that goal.
Why are we pretending that cuts, any cuts, are a giveaway to the Republicans and a loss for progressive politics?
Don’t progressives want to cut military spending anymore?
Don’t progressives want to cut corporate welfare?
Don’t progressives want to cut farm subsidies?
Don’t progressives want to cut, or at least rein in the growth of, payments to health care providers under Medicare and Medicaid?
This framing is like a libertarian’s parody of liberals, where the goal of politics is to have the government spend the maximum number of dollars.
Progressives should be pushing our cuts, and this includes describing “tax loopholes” as “tax expenditures” rather than as “raising taxes.” They should be included in our basket of cuts.
Good question.
Yes, cut military spending but don’t get the label of “making American weaker”
Yes, corporate welfare but that now is “raising taxes” dontcha know.
Yes, farm subsidies but watch out for “the price of food will go up” extortion
Yes, rein in providers but that requires that Medicare and Medicaid actually stand up for patients when providers overcharge them — otherwise the patient is the little guy between big medicine and big government. And then there is the extortion, “We’ll stop taking Medicare and Medicaid patients”
Of course it’s a parody, but the public believes it and has believed it for a generation. And the dishonest press never digs into the details. Even a President at the bully pulpit is fighting an uphill battle, moreso if he’s considered by a a third of the people as “that damn N…” and by 5% of the people as a total sellout.
The whole problem with this broken system is that it is operating on its own—it’s gone amok — no public opinion or input can get into the decision-making process. So statements like “Progressives (10% of voters on a good day) should be pushing…” is just spitting in the wind at the moment.
Progressives in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Michigan can push and persuade voters — but that’s on the state level. And progressives in Minnesota better make sure that Dayton wins this fight.
That’s fine as an explanation for why, say, Harry Reid isn’t adopting this framing.
But I’m talking about the administration’s progressive critics. I’m talking about people who do, loudly and proudly, call for big cuts to the military budget…except right now, when there’s a lot of talk about budget cuts.
People who, loudly and proudly, denounce corporate welfare…except right now, when the issue of deficit reduction is dominating the public discussion.
People who denounce subsidies for Big Agra all the time…except for right now, when the central argument in our politics is about how to reduce the deficit.
I’m sick and tired of this pattern: they talk a good game about what they want, right up until there’s actually a loud public debate that gives them a good chance to argue their side in conjunction with the institutional, politically-powerful Democratic Party….and then the most important thing becomes to denounce the Democratic Party instead of arguing their side.
See the big torture debate of 2009, when after years of denouncing torture, they responded to the appearance of a big public debate in which the Democrats lined up on their side by…denouncing Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi as lacking the moral standing to lead the charge.
Thanks, guys.
They don’t want to sully their hand in activism at the proper time. It makes them not look independent of the administration and the Democratic Party, which lowers their progressive cred because they are consorting with centrists and corporatists.
Outside of Congress is irrelevant right now. It’s the progressive in Congress who should be carrying on the public fight. In their home districts. And more especially with their colleagues in Congress.
Anyone outside of Congress is at the moment a mere spectator. And too many “serious” progressives think that a negotiating position reflects a policy desire or a policy outcome when it is often a test of what is possible.
We’re in Guns of August negotiating mode here between governments and bankers (outside of the GOP’s gotcha game) and Greece is the Archduke Franz Ferdinand. So a lot of the positioning is trying to find out how greedy the bankers actually are. Because apparently they have not told the GOP leadership to make a deal. Nor called in chits on the Tea Party folks.
The next two months are going to be some of the most interesting (Chinese meaning and otherwise) times in the history of the US.
Lawrence O’Donnell is a little early with his pronouncement of strategic greatness. A rope-a-dope strategy depends on finding the opening to land the knockout punch. A TKO on points in this crisis means a rough 2012.
You’re setting up a straw man for some reason. Where are these people opposing military cuts, cuts in corporate welfare, agribiz cuts, etc.? The reality is that to argue for these points would still be to argue against Obama, who has stood up for none of them — or even put them on the table.
The criticism from the left is about exactly what you itemize: Obama’s utter failure to seize the deficit/spending soap opera and tell us explicitly how we can cut more then the $4 trillion by eliminating abribiz subsidies, cutting x% from the military, closing all corporate loopholes, extending Medicare to all or more, and de-privatizing administration of safety net programs. All we hear about is that “entitlement spending” is “on the table”. According to you we should just assume that despite Obama’s and the Dem leadership’s refusal to propose any specific progressive cuts, we should just keep on trusting them to do the right thing.
So do tell us: what, exactly, is Democratic Party’s side that we’re supposed to be arguing? I haven’t heard a thing about any of the points you raised. If Obama and the Dems had proposed them there would be total celebration from the left. So point out where the Dems have done the jiujitsu on budget cuts and framed them in the way you itemize. It’s your chance to be both brilliant detective and hero, bringing hope to the battered masses who have been let down only in their own deluded imaginations.
Nobody cares about the deficit.
Republicans use it as a rhetorical point to beat Democrats over the head with, but in the end, all they care about is cutting taxes and social programs. Remember last December? That was supposed to be about cutting the deficit. What ended up happening? Lots of debt-increasing tax cuts. What’s going to happen this time? Lots of cuts in social programs.
And as soon as Republicans get control of the White House and Congress again (which will happen very soon, since Democrats seem determined to obliterate Social Security and Medicare and take credit for it) they’ll rediscover that “deficits don’t matter” and cut taxes some more.
Meanwhile unemployment is at 9.2% and rising and Democrats are shrugging it off. In any poll you care to look at, concern about jobs far outweighs concern about the deficit. Outside of DC there is no mandate.
Nobody cares about the deficit.
Tell that to Senator Arlen Specter or Senator Bob Bennett. Oh, wait! They’re not senators anymore.
I think the tell is right here: “And so if, in fact, Mitch McConnell and John Boehner are sincere — and I believe they are — that they don’t want to see the U.S. government default…”. I get that he’s expected to pile on the collegiality bullshit, and that it might even make the media more amenable. Problem is, the Reps are not sincere, or any other good thing.
He’s giving them what really matters: endorsing the meme that “big government” and “tax and spend” are real problems. That “fixing” the shamefully inadequate safety net is what will enable some lala-land future when we can once again do what needs doing. Is he really making such tough decisions? Or is he just continuing to notice that America is fighting a class war, and avoiding taking sides? He will always be faced with intransigence no matter what he does. Until he fully faces that reality and joins the battle, his “hope for change” will continue to look sad and laughable because the path he’s on just doesn’t go there.
Good points Boo, but I think it’s a bit of a strawman to say that his progressive critics are upset that he’s always willing to cut lousy deals. Sure, that’s the surface. But the actual critique is that Obama has mismanaged the politics of the financial crisis and unprecedented GOP obstruction to such an extent that he has no good options. Those “political constraints” are largely of his own making. So there’s really only two sides of this: Obama is incompetent (with respect to managing the politics of financial crisis and GOP obstruction) or this is what he wants (ie, he is a centrist idealogue). I’m extremely sympathetic to the systemic and institutional challenges facing progressive reform, but I’m not going to sit here and pretend that we were preordained to get here. Those arguments had some validity when Obama was on the offensive, passing health insurance reform- now we’re dismantling the welfare state and enacting austerity during high unemployment. It didn’t have to be this way and there has to be some theory of the case about how we got here.
Theory number one:
Obama ignored Emanuel’s advice and did health care even though the Recovery Act was insufficient.
Theory number two:
The administration didn’t see the Tea Party coming, nor did they know that McConnell would take obstruction to historically unprecedented levels.
Combine theories.
There’s your answer.
They are partly responsible. The Republicans and their outside agitators are also partly responsible. I tend to give the Republicans credit for being good at what they do. Others ignore that almost completely.
Who ignored that? the President or “The Professional Left”?
the professional left.
Is Digby part of “The Professional Left”? Because she didn’t ignore it. Atrios didn’t either. I love how some people’s hate of Greenwald and Hamsher cloud their vision. And how about what Sam Stein is reporting? If true, it’s downright insane.
I dunno, seems like the professional left were the only people who saw the modern day GOP for what they are. And if Obama’s advisors couldn’t accurately analyze and react to the evolution of the GOP caucus into a parliamentary style party, then they should be fired and replaced.
The fact that a segment of independents doesn’t see the Republicans for what they are constrains Democrats, else they get in an he said-she said battle that Dems lose because of the media.
The fact that the US has never had a parliamentary-style democracy (not even during the New Deal) means that the Republicans are losing support the more ideologically pure they become. Most of that lost support is in play right now. Last fall, on false pretenses, the Republicans turned it out. There is a lot of buyers remorse among folks who voted for Repubicans in 2010. You need look no further than Wisconsin to find it.
didn’t they sell themselves by saying they were going to work on job creation???
Thank you, sir, may I have another?
Obama Offered To Raise Medicare Eligibility Age As Part Of Grand Debt Deal
Increasing the Medicare eligibility age makes the deficit worse. Maybe Michele Bachmann’s claim that he’s trying to weaken Medicare so everyone goes to private exchanges isn’t so whacky after all.
Don’t you get it yet?
He’s offering things because he knows they won’t take the deal.
You know, Democrats really suck at reading Republicans. Maybe that’s why we’re so horrible at combating them.
Anyway, that’s how you see it? I see it this way: Obama and the Republicans have agreed on the spending, the only thing they disagree on is the increase in taxes. It is therefore more logical to blame Obama, not the Republicans, for being willing to tank the economy over his socialist tax raising. Obama should be the one to cave. He’s being unreasonable.
But, in fairness, the president is right that the 2010 midterms created a mandate for House Republicans to attack the deficit and the size of government.
Really? I thought they ran on death panels and such? Not about the deficit. As was said elsewhere, the deficit is just a tool to beat Democrats with despite the GOP being the ones spending like drunken sailors. I think you miss one of Atrios’ most important points. Do you know how long this “deal” would take deficits off the table? All of about 6 months.
I need a grammarian’s opinion on the has/have in the above sentence. I went with ‘has’ as a modifier of everyone, but it reads weird to me.
Looks correct to me, though it would read weird because you included “Krugman and Atrios.” The subject is “everyone.”
Now read it.
“Everyone” takes a singular. Doesn’t read weird to me. If there’s a problem it’s that this is always a perilous construction. If “have” feels better, substitute “people” or “pundits” or something for “everyone”.
It’s correct.
The subject of the subordinate clause “everyone…” is singular. The prepositional phrases are really a list of individuals.
what they said, subject is singular, “everyone”
Let’s talk some political positions.
My current expectation is that we will see either (1) 14th amendment shock treatment to the Republican ideology or (2) Obama caving on his bottom line of having the debt ceiling hold until after the 2012 election. And my probabilities right now are 55% for option 1 an 45% for option 2.
If the media ever wakes up and starts reporting this other than a cage match, I could very well be wrong. But what’s the chance of that, given the TPM reporting?
Before the 14th amendment shock treatment, remember we now on 9 day of deadline Obama gave the repubs. On the 11th day will congress get their Cobra letters detailing how much their insurance will cost as of 8/1. If congress does not raise the debt ceiling in 9 days Obama will start to close the government down. There will be lots of pain before Obama uses the 14th.
Obama doesn’t use the 14th. The 14th uses Obama. He swore to uphold the Constitution. The Constitution through the 14th says the US government will never default…period. And the executive runs both the Treasury and the IRS.
My theory: Boehner is trying to force the President to use the “14th Amendment Option.”
Boehner knows that the debt ceiling has to be raised, but he and his party can’t be seen to be involved in doing that at all, or at least, doing that without getting major concessions without agreeing to tax hikes.
Evidence: Republicans have worked to keep their fingerprints off of bills they wanted passed before, like TARP.
Evidence: The Republicans bitched and bitched about Libya and being left out of the loop, and then did nothing when they had the chance.
10% (1)
90% (2)
We are now calling $2 trillion in cuts, small.
The weasel words are “over ten years”.
Yes, but $4T was “huge” while $2T is “small”. Definite spin here.
BTW, DoD could easily take a $200B annual cut. It wouldn’t even have to give up weapons systems. The work of about a million civil servants/soldiers has been privatized to Blackwater and their ilk at a tremendous cost.
How long will it take for the President to wake up and realize that the 68 new Libertarian Republicans elected to the House of Representatives in 2010 are ideologically bound to DESTROY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT and all of it’s agencies. They see this as an opportunity to take an axe to the federal government (a la Jack and the Beanstalk). Come hell or high water these Libertarian Republicans will not give ONE PENNY more to run the federal government.
The Libertarian Republicans are already working on a plan to impeach President Obama if he invokes article 4 of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution as a means to continue paying America’s creditors after the August 2nd deadline.
President Obama right now is the last man in the Alamo. The game is winding up. Obama is in between a rock and a hard place on this debt issue. Regardless of the fierce objections from his Democratic/progressive base over his inclusion of Social Security, Medicare, and medicade programs in the debt talks. If he signs any debt deal that TOUCHES the “big 3” (Social Security, Medicare, and Medicade) in any way, the Republicans will use this to paint him as the President WHO KILLED SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE. The Republicans will field thousands of such attack ads against Obama to hammer him into the ground during the 2012 general election campaign.
Right now I doubt that there will be any deal whatsoever that could be made that would include the House of Representatives. Therefore, Obama has only one choice and that is to ignore the artificial nature of the debt ceiling and invoke the Constitution. I rather suspect that he will wind up doing this. I just hope that he will go before the American people in the style of FDR’s fireside chats and give the greatest speech of his life.
Obama’s speech should cite the role that extreme ideology played in the intransigence of the House Libertarian Republicans. His speech should include pictures of elderly grandmothers in nursing homes who will be thrown out onto the street if Medicade is cut. He should also include pictures of the millions of Americans who depend on Social Security and Medicare in order to stay alive. He also needs to clearly paint himself as the champion and protector of the survival security of the lives of millions of retired and infirm Americans.
I believe if Obama follows this scenario he will have secured his second term immediately upon completion of such a speech.
I agree entirely. But “Mitch McConnell and John Boehner are sincere — and I believe they are — that they don’t want to see the U.S. government default…” does not bode well for Obama getting born again as a warrior for those millions of Americans. I hope like crazy that I’m wrong, and we finally see what’s under Clark Kent’s suit.
That “S” is now a dollar sign.
That’s 68 Republican votes that will vote against anything Boehner puts up. The math then is:
240-68 = 172 (maximum votes that Boehner can get in his caucus) and that is less than the magic 218 needed to pass a bill in the House.
So any deal would need at least 46 Democratic votes in the House and Democratic caucus support in the Senate.
On the Democratic side, the Blue Dog Coalition is officially 26 members; New Democrats 65 + Obama; Congressional Progressive Caucus 77 voting members. There are 27 Democrats unaffiliated with any caucus. And the Blue Dog Coalition is going to want some Tea Party Republican Republicans giving them cover.
Obama’s current bottom line is simmple. Let’s fix this so that the debt limit does not have to be raised, if at all, until after the 2012 election (i.e. no more debt ceiling hostage). That is a negotiating position. The Republicans will have to cave to accept even that position; it takes away their tactic.
Thanks for wading through this, Booman. I hardly have the stomach for it, and it’s nice to see something not 100% doom being written about it from a source I trust. I still think it stinks, but it’s nice to see that he does get the underlying progressive economic arguments.
Lawrence O’Donnell is cracking me up tonight – talking about the debt ceiling and Orange Julius.
O’Donnell about POTUS – ‘This is a work of strategic brilliance’.
LOL
There’s a problem with his reasoning here, and naturally everyone leapt on it immediately, including me. The Republicans aren’t going to stop complaining about taxes, debt, and deficits no matter what happens.
Republicans can complain all they want. The question is whether people find their complaints compelling or not.
Obama wants to create a situation in which their complaints, which are always going to be the same, are going to fall on deaf ears. Right now, they’re not.
Everyone who thinks that Barack Obama’s “outreach” and “bipartisanship” are “reasonableness” are aimed at gaining Republican support is completely misunderstanding what’s going on, and has been for at least two years.
I don’t agree with you on the last part. He knows the GOP won’t move on from taxes/deficit. Everyone knows that but when Obama moves on to jobs/investing and when Republicans start barking again about the deficit, Obama can say, ‘guys we just dealt with that. So now I’m going to talk about jobs.’ And if the GOP calls for more cuts, Obama can say, ‘I was ready to give you a 4T deal and you didn’t take it.
Don’t know if you get what I’m saying but Obama doesn’t believe for a second the GOP will stop yapping about the deficit.
Yeah, he can say it. I hope he does. It would be a major shock if he did. We’ll see.
Scott Fulwiler has and idea. QE3: Treasury Style
Seabe, what’s your take on this?
Take 14 pounds of platinum, stamp $1 trillion on each bar, put the bars in the Federal Reserve as reserves for the Fed to buy back the debt. The Fed owns the total debt and can defer its need for repayment until Congress comes to its senses. And it is all done with executive authority. Creditors no longer hold claims but are sorta held hostage by the US Federal Reserve’s ability to eventually sell those coins back to the Treasury for face value.
OK, that a reductio ad absurdum.
And interesting idea. I will have to puzzle this one through.
This is a great idea for all the sovereign citizens out there.
It doesn’t work for you to take a little metal, stamp $1 million on it and go to the bank.
First, you don’t have legal authority to create coinage unless it is dollar-denominated scrip.
Second, the bank won’t honor it.
This is a Treasury-Federal Reserve transaction only — in which Treasury has the authority to tell the Federal Reserve to honor it because Treasury has the responsibility for coinage.
I think that the follow-on to this is that the Federal Reserve then can purchase from foreign governments and private entities other US debt so that Treasury instead of owing, say China, now owes the Federal Reserve. What this second move does to the value of the dollar is not clear to me. It seems that it would improve it because private investors and foreign governments had been paid off. Maybe Seabe knows whether I’m in outer space here.
The transaction closes, when after balancing the budget and the economy being back to prosperity, excess tax revenues go to the Federal reserve in order to buy back the platinum coinage and retire it.
It’s a strange maneuver that does for a brief period what some folks want the US to do anyway: just issue money into the economy without incurring paper debt. And because it is temporary, it avoids the trap of just issuing currency, that is, inflating the currency relative to goods and services. And it works mainly because we are in a demand (or balance sheet) recession.
This has been done many times by many countries in the past. The result is that the currency gets devalued, inflation soars and nobody wants to lend money to you again, since you just destroyed the value of their previous investment.
It’s actually easier to simply not raise the debt limit.