I think Andrew Sullivan is right when he follows on Mike Lofgren’s essay by again directly pegging modern Republicanism as a religious movement, and considers what that means:
…this political deadlock conceals a religious war at its heart. Why after all should one abandon or compromise sacred truths? And for those whose Christianity can only be sustained by denial of modern complexity, of scientific knowledge, and of what scholarly studies of the Bible’s origins have revealed, this fusion of political and spiritual lives into one seamless sensibility and culture, is irresistible.
…[The current GOP] can only think in doctrines, because the alternative is living in a complicated, global, modern world they both do not understand and also despise. Taxes are therefore always bad. Government is never good. Foreign enemies must be pre-emptively attacked. Islam is not a religion. Climate change is an elite conspiracy to impoverish America. Terror suspects are terrorists. When Americans torture, it is not torture. When Christians murder, they are not Christians. And if you change your mind on any of these issues, you are a liberal, an apostate, and will be attacked.
It’s one thing, of course, to describe the beast, and quite another to consider how one responds to it:
And the zealous never compromise. They don’t even listen.
Think of Michele Bachmann’s wide-eyed, Stepford stare as she waits for a questioner to finish before providing another pre-cooked doctrinal nugget. My fear… is that once one party becomes a church with unchangeable doctrines, and once it has supplanted respect for institutions and civility with the radical pursuit of timeless doctrines and hatred of governing institutions, then our democracy is in grave danger.
This is why I think Rick Perry has had the upper hand thus far in the Republican “debates,” because the entire Republican field has not been engaging in debates of issues in any secular sense. The debates have instead been proving grounds for demonstrating piety to a rigorously enforced doctrine with almost no grounding in the real world. Michele Bachmann is a true believer, but Perry is a preacher. Logic and facts need not apply.
Obama’s response thus far has been to offer compromises to a movement that does not compromise, and to argue facts with a movement that hates facts. Between now and November 2012, however, Obama’s audience isn’t that movement; it’s American voters. In a year when economic distress should doom his reelection chances, Obama’s best shot is to cast the election not as a choice between two competing visions of governance, but as a choice between democracy and theocracy. And a particularly nasty theocracy at that.
He won’t use that framing, of course. But Obama has given Republicans every opportunity to demonstrate that they cannot compromise, because no deviance from dogma is tolerable, and that they cannot even accept yes for an answer, because they don’t negotiate with antichrists.
While I am sympathetic to the critiques of Obama’s record that litter the progressive blogosphere, and I’m all for pressuring him to perform better in those areas where he can have an impact, that’s not really germane to what’s at stake in 2012. We’re not arguing better or worse policies here. We’re at war with a movement that wants to eradicate any of us who do not belong in their vision of a mythical, white, straight, individualist, evangelical Christian, never-was America.
Ironically, as Sullivan notes, Obama is the most visibly Christian president since Carter. But he is not the right type of Christian for what is in fact a very narrowly defined movement, one that excludes most Christians (Obama has no chance; it also excludes all blacks, all Democrats, all people with advanced degrees, and all people with funny names). If Republicans had regrouped in a more rational way after the disaster of the Dubya presidency, Obama would almost certainly be a one-term president just because of the economic damage he inherited. Instead, they started casting out apostates and doubling down whenever their factually challenged dogma was questioned.
The results were on painful display Monday night’s Tea Party debate. Our task for the next year is to remind Americans at every turn that almost all of us are not pure enough to have any place in the theocratic vision of the United States on display there. The Republican nominee, whomever he or she is, will almost certain espouse such views for the next six or eights months in order to win the nomination. That’s plenty enough material for making the relentless case: A vote for Obama will be a vote against theocracy.
For the alternative, I’ll close with Sullivan again:
If they defeat [Obama], I fear we will no longer be participating in a civil conversation, however fraught, but in a civil war.
Boo:
You know as well as I do why people vote. Trying to scare people, even if it is true, by telling them the other guy is a Christo-fascist isn’t going to work. Look at when President Obama campaigned before the mid terms. If the government isn’t helping make their lives better, people just aren’t going to vote. And when they have interactions with government and it’s a huge clusterfuck(Hello .. HAMP!!) what else do you expect?
Even though I could not have put it any better myself, I did not write this piece.
Ouch!! Sorry!! I usually don’t do that.
That must be why hardly anyone ever uses negative campaign ads any more.
It works for the GOP. After all, look at their base. It never works for the Democrats. Don’t tell me you never noticed that.
Because when the Republican scares you, their style make you want to go out and kill something. When the Democrats try to scare you, their style makes you want to hide under the covers and pee yourself.
Fight or flight responses.
Trying to scare people, even if it is true, by telling them the other guy is a Christo-fascist isn’t going to work.
So, we shouldn’t talk about something – something that you acknowledge is true – among linke-minded people on a blog?
Any discussion of these realities stimulates a desire in you to squash that discussion?
Um…why?
Andrew Sullivan is a weird creature. He’s like someone who’s bipolar but refuses to see the doctor to get diagnosed and be given treatment. Here he is arguing this — which is excellent and spot-on — but then maybe a few months from now if Paul Ryan proposed another bullshit plan, Andrew would proceed to give Ryan a nice handie under the table. It’s because Andrew doesn’t seem to care about the policy, he’s more concerned with the person. For example, just wait until Huntsman is a viable candidate (if he ever is). I guarantee Andrew will back that person for president. He continues to talk about how much he loathes these people and their policy, but Huntsman’s policies are just as ruthless.
He’s still stuck in fantasy Thatcherite-Reagan Wonderland where their policies were not as good as he thought, and he can’t bring himself to admit that this is where conservatism inevitably leads to.
I still read him, he posts a lot of good links, but he’s so erratic and attached to personalities rather than actual results that it’s beyond annoying.
Don’t read him because he’s an idiot. You want guaranteed disappointment, read Sullivan. His schtick is to half-apologize and show half-outrage.
Well I only read him because he provides a lot of links that I don’t see anywhere else (not just because he posts conservatives and libertarians either).
I think your last sentence is a perfect description. He’ll show outrage about the poverty rates in America, but then 20 posts later he’ll argue for “broadening the tax rate.”
I actually don’t read him all that often – as with many name pundits, often enough to keep tabs on what he’s up to because he’s an important voice, but not much more than that because I like my sanity and want to keep it. But I think in the next year we’ll see more people like him, people who tempermentally lean conservative but who are appalled by what the Republican Party has become.
But that happened in 2008 and look where we are now.
A great post, Geov. BTW, what is “Geov” short for? Never heard of it before. Are you Italian and it’s maybe Giovanni or something like that? Just curious.
First off, Andrew Sullivan is a hypocrite. He’s an interesting guy but he worships Thatcher and Reagan as though the legends are true. It is always interesting to see him each time he realizes that something horrible was put into place at that time that will have terrible consequences on us now. And it grew…
I am constantly baffled about what to do with this current Republican cult. We can’t just have one party and they aren’t fit to represent anyone as a second party. They just seem to be a bunch of whores who will do ANYTHING for the right price. That bothers me. I was born in 1970 and back then, they had reasonable values that could be negotiated with. Now, however, they’re just a bunch of crazy hostage-takers. Who could possibly support this? But so many do. I just don’t get it. It must be the propaganda since their folks effectively took over the media during my lifetime. I’ve watched it all happen right in front of my eyes.
Enough of that. No one has answers for that and I don’t want you to even have to try to answer that, but I put it out there.
Anyway, I’m glad you’re giving us stuff that’s a little bit different from the norm. Not to discount the value of the other front-pagers here, but it’s good to have you on board.
Not short for anything. It is, so far as I can tell, a pretty unique name, for better and worse.
I just read where the Republicans won in the race in New York. I am afraid that this is a harbinger of the 2012 race. Obama can not win. The democrats need to run a grayson or a dean. Obama is perceived as weak and indecisive and not to many people will vote for such a candidate. No matter how absurd that the current crop of republican candidates look just remember the Cater Reagan election. I never thought Reagan had a chance. Obama has lost the respect of to many of the people in the country he has had to many political mistakes and misjudgments. His advisor seem like simpletons and aware of the undercurrent of out right hatred for Obama. I see very few people who have a modicum of respect for the President. He needs to stand down and let us find another candidate. I feel honestly that the future of the country is at stake in this election and his defeat will drag us down so far we may never recover. We need a fighter and Obama has shown repeatedly that he will cave to the republicans.
Don’t you wish! I don’t believe for a second that you are a Democrat! Besides, I want President Obama to be loose, but I know he will not lose!
By the way, I know tons of people who have a great deal of respect for our President. You must keep company with the crazies… because you are one of them.
The fact that he equated Grayson with Dean is the give away.
Why? Although I suppose Grayson is a bit more to the left than Dean, and Dean is, or was, a more influential figure in the party, anybody would agree that they are both feisty Democrats.
I have a lot more faith in Obama than that commenter does, but I didn’t like the way Rahm Emanuel treated Howard Dean.
Because Dean is center left. Has always been. The only thing that Dean and Grayson really have in common is that they see the Republicans are the enemy.
What happened to Howard Dean both in 2004 and in 2008 after Obama’s election is unfortunate. And not unrelated to the situation we find ourselves into day.
Well, they also have in common the fact that they are both feisty, and I think that was the actual point of his comparison.
What he doesn’t understand is that there is a very big difference between being president of the United States and being either the Chairman of the DNC, as Dean was, or a first-term congressman like Grayson — that may legitimately influence how one communicates. Not to mention the obvious point that Obama is black.
I cut Obama a lot of slack because I think he (a) has been operating under extraordinarily difficult circumstances and (b) deals with problems in ways that are often hard to understand (especially before they pop) and yet turn out to be effective (again … given the circumstances).
On the other hand, now that this has come up, you’re right that it was unfortunate. In fact, there’s nothing the Obama organization has done, not even its one-sided counciling on the financial crisis, that sticks in my craw more than the way they treated Dean. What Dean did for the Party was crucial to Obama’s victory. So it was not simply unfair to Dean and his supporters, but it was truning its back on the most effective strategic thinker the DNC had seen in decades, who had just demonstrated his effectiveness for all to see (unless they didn’t want to).
I think Obama could have worked things out with Dean — but obviously Rahm hated his guts, and not for any good reason. Ego, at the very least.
Now that Rahm is busy running Chicago, are there any prospects for a reconciliation with Dean? I am very far from being a firebagger or emoprog, but so is Dean for that matter.
Unfortunately Dean didn’t do himself any favors by his comments on the Health Care negotiations. But then, the man is an M.D. Had he been HHS Sec as he had hoped … Well, what’s the use of poring over the past. The Obama Team was not big enough for both Rahm and Dean. But now … ?
I don’t think it was all Emmanuel. It was part of a trend that Obama has evidence from the first, he (and by this I mean the man and his organization) simply doesn’t want to allow other actors. That is, he doesn’t like organizations that are independent of him. It’s the same mentality that drove him to shut down the Dem 527s, and fold OFA into the DNC. Why else pick a disaster like Tim Kaine to head up DNC? Now granted this last seems a given for most presidents but Dean had proven effective on a number of levels and the base loved him. Unless Dean wanted to go, why dump him?
My own personal opinion is that Obama simply doesn’t trust the rest of us not to screw it up, or create a rival focus to himself which would also screw up whatever his goals are.
So I sincerely doubt Dean will be asked back.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/howard-dean-obamas-america-jobs-act-is-a-brilliant-political-move/
Dean is a very good soldier, and an example to Democrats everywhere. He has taken so much shit.
Gee, let’s see how many anti-Obama talking points we can fit into one comment. Are you working for brownie points over at Red State?
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Second verse, same as the first. Obama can’t win. He’s week and indicisive. His advisers are simpeltons. He always caves to the Republicans. We need somebody strong and wrong like parry.
We’re gonna lose. I just feel so bad. We might as well all stay home. Those krazy repubilcans are gonna win anyway.
How does someone ‘loose’?
I think that’s kind of like ‘lose’ only weak and indecisive. Or something like that.
Maybe its something like, “Loose the dogs on ’em!”
Obama can not win. The democrats need to run a grayson or a dean.
The difference between Obama and those two is that Obama won.