John Avlon is acting like a dummy. He identifies a real problem, but he doesn’t understand its cause nor does he have any solution. Let’s look at his opening:
The Blue Dog pack is thinning. Centrist Democrats saw their ranks cut in half after the 2010 midterm elections. Now, with Nebraska Sen. Ben Nelson’s announcement that he will not seek reelection, an endangered species warning is appropriate. This is bad news for Democrats and, more important, the nation.
There was a time when divided government did not mean dysfunctional government. The presence of conservative Democrats and progressive Republicans helped ensure that cross-aisle coalitions could be formed to find solutions on the most pressing issues…
Right at the start we have to confront something that isn’t all that critical. Do we know what Mr. Avlon means by “Centrist Democrats”? When he goes on to call them “conservative Democrats,” does that help us at all? I know this is semantic nitpicking, but it pays to be precise with language. Ben Nelson is conservative on most issues. His career in the Senate has been more conservative than, say, Arlen Specter’s or Lincoln Chafee’s. He and Sen. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania are both anti-choice, but most people wouldn’t describe Casey as a conservative Democrat. Rep. Marcy Kaptur of Toledo is anti-choice but no one would call her a Centrist Democrat. Avlon uses another term: Blue Dog Democrat. He considers them to be conservative and centrist, too.
Why are we worse off with fewer politicians like Ben Nelson? Is it because we need Democrats to cross the aisle to help Republicans cut taxes on rich people or loosen pollution regulations or make it harder to file for bankruptcy? Is it simply because fewer Democrats means more Republicans? Or, is it that the Senate rules won’t allow anything to get done if the members line up in rigid opposing teams and the minority filibusters everything they don’t like?
I think it’s the latter explanation, and “centrism” or “conservatism” really has little to do with it. The problem is orthodoxy. The problem is orthodoxy and an abuse of the rules. The reason that Congress functioned fairly well between 1945 and 1994 is that one party (the Democrats) were in a dominant position and the two parties were too heterodox to allow either one of them to cohere around a rigid party line on procedural issues. There were plenty of conservative Democrats, especially on issues like race and sexual morality. And there were lots of pro-enviroment or pro-labor Republicans who thought, e.g., that Jim Crow was a travesty. As a result, conservatives didn’t look to one party to do their bidding, and progressives could find allies on the right side of the aisle.
This relatively successful system began to break down once the Republicans took over Congress in 1995. The two parties have been purifying themselves ever since, and now have reached a point of orthodoxy where they can unite in opposition to almost any motion to proceed in the Senate. In other words, we now need 60 votes rather than 51 to pass anything through the Senate for the president to sign into law. If the filibuster disappeared, the problem would largely disappear, too.
Many political scientists think parliamentary systems are superior to ours because the parties offer a clear platform and a clear choice. We have to shove every political belief into two vehicles. Under the circumstances, it’s better for the two parties to clearly define themselves than to have a muddled picture. A progressive-minded person in the mid-20th Century had to deal with a Democratic Party that built its power on the back of the Jim Crow system. Is that preferable to the choice facing a progressive today?
Unfortunately, the price of clearer choices is congressional gridlock. But that is not written into our Constitution. The Senate can change its rules and the majority would be able govern (at least, in the Senate).
Of course, we’re living in a period of divided government. Even with a majority-rules Senate, the president would have to contend with a Republican House of Representatives. But, again, the problem with the House of Representatives isn’t that there aren’t enough centrist Democrats willing to cast their votes with John Boehner. The problem is that there aren’t enough Republicans who will work in a serious manner to help craft solutions that are acceptable to the Democratic Senate or the president. Periods of divided government are not supposed to produce dramatic change, but they can be functional. Eisenhower, Nixon, and Reagan all had functional administrations with a divided government. Bill Clinton did his best, despite the Republicans’ effort to humiliate, disbar, and throw him out of office. But, isn’t that the point? The Republicans are built to be a minority party, but they’ve had too much of a taste of power to fill the role. Speaker Boehner cannot even control his conference.
Our government is screwed-up and dysfunctional right now, but it’s not because we don’t have enough corporate-hogs like Ben Nelson serving in the U.S. Senate. It’s because the Republicans in Congress are abusing the Senate rules, which is only possible because they are so rigidly ideological. It’s because the House Republicans won’t allow their Speaker to negotiate in good faith with the Senate or the president.
We don’t need more Ben Nelsons. We need to change the Senate rules. And we need to figure out what is making the Republicans insane and see if we can provide a cure. In the meantime, it would be better if red state Democrats would stop acting like country club Republicans and go back to being farmer-labor populists. Clear distinctions, remember?
You support Barack Obama, and he is right in the middle of the corporate center. The only real “center” in the game.
As Tony Blair said in one of his few honest moments:
Of course like all shallow pols, he was just copping part of someone else’s lick…the historian John Lukacs in this case who remarked:
And, I might add, corporatism. A sort of supra-nationalism. Money knows no borders. Not today it doesn’t. Bet on it. All it knows is profit.
But “Centrism,” “Progressivism,” “Conservativism?” All of the capital letter-words are dissolving before our eyes. The “progressive” Barack Obama institutes policies of no-holds barred-detention that would have made Hitler glow all over. “Centrists?” like who? Like Ben Nelson? Please. And here we have a so-called “ultra-conservative” like Ron Paul espousing position after position that would have resonated very nicely with Abbie Hoffman and Tom Hayden in the prime of their radicalist days.
Meanwhile here we have the leftinesses and rightinesses slugging it out on a battlefield that has been almost completely abandoned by the real controllers and turned into a nothing more than bread and circuses stadium to keep the sheeple quiescently sleepleish while they are shorn every season of their laboriously grown coats.
Whadda game indeed.
And the only major candidate refusing to play this game? Ron Paul? You treat him like some kind of crank while you continue to mudulate about alla the
undead wasms zombieing around the media playing field.Oh brother! Your wakeup call is going to be very interesting.
Bet on it.
Watch what happens after Iowa.
The zombie controllers are fast running out of juju power and the players are going to start falling all over the field, losing pieces of themselves as they fall.
This beginning of this real campaign?
It’s gonna be the American Spring.
For real.
Watch.
AG
jesus you’ve lost it. Tom Hayen and Abbie Hoffman fought against pols like Paul in their “radicalist” days. Pols like Paul are not new, dude. They’re Pat Buchanan paleocons, bowing down to the mantle of states’ rights Antebellum South. WTFU.
What Arthur doesn’t seem to realize, especially with RP’s turning more to the religious fundies this time around, is that RP is just another useful idiot for the Koch Brothers and those like them. Meaning those that want to drag this country farther to the right.
I think people who believe RP is “with them” on the wars and civil liberties need a dose of Tom Hilton:
Ron Paul: Not a Civil Libertarian
That is exactly the theme that has been on my mind lately. Thanks for the link.
“Paleoconism”
Just another wasm word, seabe. Y’all think that you can throw a word on something, pin it dead to the cork board like the rest of your butterfly collection and thus understand what is happening?
You are sadly mistaken.
AG
Arthur, What I don’t get about RP is why is he in the House in the first place? He can instead deliver another 4,000 babies before his time runs out. But more to the point. I understand he wants to end the IRS. What a good idea. Then the US taxpayer doesn’t need to pay his and his son’s salaries and health care insurance. Will they then keep coming to Congress to do the people’s work. I doubt it. Remember that other guy from Texas who sucked repugnant votes and let Clinton squeeze by? Texas and California: the gifts that keep giving.
Was Bill Clinton’s election a “gift?” Yes, I suppose it was. A gift that keeps on giving to this day as we continue to sink under the contradictions of economic imperialism and international corporate control.
Some gift.
Thans a lot, Bill.
AG
The gift that keeps giving was not meant not entirely not tongue in cheek. When you say anything about Clinton you always need to keep the Misses in mind. I’ve no need for either of them.
But could you tell me about RP’s plan to close the IRS? Or where can I read how he is planning to finance his presidencey. After all he’s absolutely not planning to work pro bono. Can you imagine!
What?
AG
Oh, Arthur deflects, as usual.
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"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
Wait, watch what? I tried to figure out what you think you’re saying, but I have to admit I kind of lost interest in sifting through all the bombast when I realized you take Ron Paul seriously.
Or do you? I mean, just to clarify, are you actually saying you think Ron Paul is going to be elected President? And you think this would be a good thing? I’m just trying to get a sense of how confused you are.
Is he going to be elected?
Not yet. But his arc of approval is rising faster than that of anyone else. Nationwide. Including Obama. Watch. The media keep throwing shit on him and it keeps turning into gold. Interesting.
Would this be a “good” thing? I dunno. I guess it all depends on how you look at the word “good,” doesn’t it? Do you think that the movement towards a total surveillance state in America is “good?” If you do, vote for any other viable candidate in the race. Again, including Obama. Do you support the National Defense Authorization Act? You know, the one that says you no longer have any right to counsel if arrested on charges that the Federal Government brings no matter what it is that have or have not actually or allegedly done? No lawyers, no phone calls, just straight to a lovely detention center for as long as it takes to…to break you or forget about you, whichever comes first. You like that one? Vote away, you have plenty of choices. Do you think that we should continue to try to be the economic imperialist world’s policeman no matter how morally repugnant the job is and no matter how much money is spent on it that could otherwise be used to save this country, its economy and its infrastructure? ? Ditto about who you should choose. Do you want to continue the absolutely disastrous so-called “War On Drugs?” Same same. Do you want the representatives of the financial system that has brought us nearly to the brink of financial collapse to continue to run the Federal Reserve, the Securities and Exchange Commission and the other supposed Wall Street oversight committees? Great. Again…you obviously know who will do that job very nicely.
Or…do you think that perhaps…just perhaps…there actually are some trillion dollars of wasted money being spent by the Federal Government every year. Out of the approximately $4 trillion that they own up to plus the uncounted billions and more (Trillions more? I wouldn’t be surprised.) that secretly go to the intelligence systems? Please. Yes there is, and Ron Paul wants to get rid of it. Get rid of it and balance the budget in 3 years.
Am I “confused?”
Maybe.
I don’t think so, though.
Watch and see.
Yes we can.
Will we?
Only in a perfect Paulian storm. The resistance is so strong…the One Percent/Permanent Government/Corporate Establishment runs the media and the media run people’s minds.
Can that system break?
Everything can break. It all depends on how badly things are stressed. The media is definitely cracking. It is being watched and read by fewer and fewer people while many more people every day are turning to the internet to get the whole story.
To which of these groups do you belong, Stephen? Let me ask you…from what sources have you gotten the impression that someone who looks faovrably upon a Paul candidacy is necessarily “confused?” Be honest. Give links, please. Enquiring minds…mine in particular…want to know.
Really.
AG
Wow. So you really do think Ron Paul would be a good president. And you think this makes you smarter and more honest than everyone else. Fascinating.
Oh, and it take more than links to understand why Ron Paul is a freaking lunatic. You have to know quite a bit about US history, which I don’t feel like explaining to someone who is only going to hear “Baa baa baa” anyway. Plus I really don’t dig racists. (I don’t know if you’re a racist, but “I didn’t write that stuff and besides it was a long time ago” doesn’t cut it for me. You want honesty, start with your own damn candidate.)
Oh, all right, let’s pick off a few fish in this old barrel here. I’ve just been looking at the “Issues” page on Ron Paul’s web site. Comments:
He’s pro-life, which casts a bit of a cloud over his claim to be a champion of liberty. Apparently women’s liberty does not extend to their own uteruses. Ron Paul claims sovereignty over those.
He’s completely out to lunch on energy. His whole energy plan is just to go all in with oil. As someone who enjoys congratulating himself on his superior prescience and insight, Arthur, I’m sure you can see why that’s not such a good idea.
I’m really no sure how he thinks he’s even going to secure the border, which he does promise to do, by eliminating all taxes that we didn’t have in 1791. This is where a little knowledge of history would be useful, because this whole bullshit about not wanting to pay any taxes almost cost us the Revolution. The Continental Army was perpetually broke because of idiots like Ron Paul in the Congress. They wanted liberty, but they didn’t think it should cost them anything, so Benjamin Franklin had to go over to France and borrow a shitload of money. This country was founded on debt. Deal with it.
On immigration, as well, there is I must say a strong stench of bigotry about the notion that ending the welfare state is going to curb illegal immigration. This might be true if the welfare state was a primary cause of illegal immigration, but if it was any sensible immigrant would pass right through the US and head straight to Canada. He doesn’t even acknowledge that the main reason people come here illegally is to work, so how am I supposed to take his proposals seriously?
And do really think the kind of border enforcement Ron Paul is talking about isn’t going to involve some serious violations of people’s rights?
And so on. Baa baa baa.
In the meantime, it would be better if red state Democrats would stop acting like country club Republicans and go back to being farmer-labor populists.
You mean like Huey Long? Fred Harris? That’s just the thing. Name me a Blue Dog who isn’t a Republican corporate whore in sheep’s clothing. And a lot of the Blue Dogs are from the South. Grrrr!!! I think we need to occupy the DCCC and DSCC.
Ron Paul sure seems to get a lot of support from the commenters on World Net Daily.
Following up on your last paragraph, maybe the questions to be posed are “who is the best electable Democratic senatorial candidate available in each red state?” and “what does it take for a Democratic senator from a red state to hold on to to his/her seat?”
The Senate can change its rules . . .
In the face of overwhelming evidence demanding change, the ‘Reid’ Senate bent over forward for the Reeps. You want meaningful change you’ll need different leadership.
Ben Nelson could be the poster child for dysfunctional government. He and some of his “centrist” buddies turned a Democratic majority into an effectively dysfunctional Congress. Sure. All we need is more effing centrists like Nelson.
As AG points out, Obama is the real centrist as far as ideological sentiment is concerned. Problem with that is that the public in general is not going to be voting on the basis of ideology in 2012. With the current crop of candidates, left and right don’t mean a whole lot except for posturing.
Quite frankly, I’m ready for an end to the fifty-seven-year-old infatuation with ideological alignment of the parties. It has not created a parliament, which was its intention. It has created gridlock, which became a GOP intention.
Right, we don’t need more Ben Nelsons. But it would be nice to have a few independent-minded, moderate Republicans. Of course, nobody’s even suggesting that, because it’s impossible.
BooMan, I don’t think this part is right at all:
One party has been purifying itself ever since. The Republicans. Democrats have been doing the opposite.
It was a “relatively successful system” only because there was an implicit gentleman’s agreement in place whereby the point of politics was to have Republicans advocate Republican solutions to the issues of the day, Democrats advocate Democratic solutions, and haggle them out somewhere in the middle. The problem was that when Bill Clinton used “triangulation” to claim Republican ideas as his own, he benefited, at Republicans’ expense. This time Mitch McConnell decided he wasn’t going to let that happen; he wasn’t going to let Republicans help shape policy at all. They would just block everything across the board. He calculated that he could get away with it because the media wouldn’t explain it or shame him. And it worked spectacularly.