It doesn’t matter how many times nice young men mow his lawn, Mitt Romney isn’t going to sign the DREAM Act into law.
“The answer is yes,” he said, when asked if he would veto the legislation if Congress passes it and he is in the White House.
Romney said, however, that he would support granting children of illegal immigrants some form of residency in exchange for military service. “I’m delighted with the idea that people who come to this country and wish to serve in the military can be given a path to become permanent residents of this country,” he said, according to CNN.
So, to make sure that we have this straight…if your parents bring you to this country illegally, and you grow up here and go to school here, Mitt Romney says you can sign up to do a tour in Afghanistan but you can’t vote or get in-state school tuition or become a citizen, ever. If you join the military, maybe you can get some kind of residency thing, so the cops won’t hassle you.
You’d think a nice person like Mitt Romney would be too polite to say something like that. Instead of the DREAM Act, he wants to give us the BROWN CANNON FODDER Act. Isn’t that swell?
Poor Rick Perry, he should have though of it first.
Texas Gov. Rick Perry has been savaged by his fellow GOP contenders and conservative critics for Texas’ decision to allow children of illegal immigrants to attend state colleges for the in-state tuition rate. At a campaign stop in Boone, Iowa Saturday, Perry defended the program yet again.
He said Texans overwhelming backed the idea, as being in the “best long-term interest of the state” and argued it was a choice between turning them into “tax-wasters” who would require government support or helping to make them skilled, productive residents.
But Romney slapped Perry over the issue again Saturday. “For those who come here illegally, the idea of giving them in-state tuition credits or other special benefits I find to be contrary to the idea of a nation of law,” he said.
Remember, we’re talking about the children of illegal immigrants here. They didn’t “come here” in the normal sense of those words. They were brought here. Maybe they were brought to Massachusetts where they went to school, learned the state capitals, and quite possibly mowed the ex-governor’s law a time or two. It don’t matter to Mitt.
He’s trying to win the nomination, for Pete’s sake.
So the question is, did he just throw away the hispanic vote, or does he think he can wiggle out of this in the general? I hope there’s plenty of video being piled up to use during the general. His pandering to the right of Perry tells us everything anyone needs to know about the real “moderate” Romney. If I had to vote for one of the Rep candidates in the general I’d be in the “anybody but Romney” camp. Whenever the mask slips a little he turns out to be the scummiest of all. (Well, OK, other than Bachmann)
He’s a white conservative; he plans on saying to every Hispanic he meets, “I didn’t mean you. You’re one of the good ones. Why, it’s like you’re not even Mexican at all!”
He really needs to keep his mouth shut at least until he gets Iowa under his belt. Murdoch has given his stamp of approval to Santorum via Twitter so Mitt may just need to flip flop.
Ugh, I’m not a violent person, but man if someone slapped the smug bastard in the face, I’d be hard-pressed to feel bad for him. It’s not fair or rational, but that freakin’ smirk that Mittens and his son-bots seem to always have on their faces make me wanna puke.
I’ve been tweeting random journos whenever they have a Mittens story or tweet when will we see Mittens get some hard questions and not easy ass softballs. Or will we have to wait til after he wins the nom…
The only Immigration Reform Obama has given Latinos is 400,000 deportations a year, something W was unable to accomplish. If I were a MEAN person it could be said that Obama has already vetoed the DREAM ACT, when he failed to rally 5 Democratic Senators to vote for the DREAM ACT last year.
So Obama gets a vote, because he’s not Mitt Rommeny doesn’t mean Obama has or had a better position on Immigration Reform.
Well, no.
http://www.globalvisas.com/blog/obamas-new-us-immigration-policy-a-victory-for-common-sense.html
Not really a shift, Obama has enforced a Republican Policy for the last 4 years through Secure Communities where people with mere traffic tickets are being deported and being called “criminal” aliens.
watch this…
http://video.pbs.org/video/2155873891
That was a rather shameless example of the “Nuh-uh, now I’m going to change the subject” school of argumentation.
The Obama administration didn’t really change that policy, because let-me-repeat-myself-here’s-a-video.
well to little to late satisfy you? 1 million people already deported thanks to President Obama? Is that how you reward the Latino Community for voting for you?
So are you now walking back from “the only immigration reform Obama gave was…” to “Obama has done some things I like and some things I don’t?”
Because that would be a much better argument to make.
It is not really reform. What Obama has done with secure communities is basically throw the Latino Community into the lake, so we can drown. And now wants us to Thank HIM when, we wades into the water and try to pull us to the shore.
“when he”
Since 2008 Not one person has a “green card” or work permit due to Immigration Reform. If you were undocumented in 2008 you are probably still undocumented today.
He rallied 52 to vote for it, why couldn’t the Latino community get the other 5?
Don’t make a promise you not willing to keep. And it seems to me if Obama wanted Immigration Reform he could grant Temporary Protected Status to Mexican nationals due to the Drug war in Mexico. In essence Obama can change the face of Immigration Reform by declaring TPS for Mexican Nationals.
No matter how you try to SPIN, by blaming the Latino community isn’t a winning argument.
Yeah, remind me when Obama promised to make the Senate pass everything he wants them to.
Barack Obama never actually loses any votes. Oh, no, he just pretends not to have the support, but actually, he can use his super powers to get everything he wants.
So if the votes aren’t there for something, it can only mean that he didn’t actually want it.
President not dictator
The votes weren’t there, maybe you should focus on that problem. Pressure Congress, the President wants to do it but if Congress won’t pass it there’s not much he can do.
In the bottom line is the Latino community supported Obama in 2008 and got 1 million deportations for all their work.
That fact can’t be changed. Trying to blame the Latino community for not passing Immigration Reform is the best way to lower voter turn out. We are not stupid.
“That fact can’t be changed.”
Repeating how unhappy you are with this fact over and over again doesn’t make it Obama’s fault that the votes weren’t there in the Senate.
You’ve yet to write a SINGLE WORD against those people who, oh yeah, voted against the bill. Every single word you have to say on this subject is to denounce those on your own side for not being a large enough majority.
If I were a MEAN PERSON, I’d say you were a Republican engaging in ratfucking.
I did not see Joe Biden down in the Senate trying to garner votes for the DREAM ACT. Only now does Obama realize how important the DREAM ACT vote was to the Latino Community.
Obama has deported 1 million persons since 2008 more than W did in 8 years. Is there an explanation as to why the Obama Administration has decided to betray the same voting block that helped him become President. Could it be a lack of Respect for the Latino community, bad advice, or appeasement.
No, if I were a Republican I would use the language you used. What I have done is exposed Obama’s biggest weakness and betrayal of the Latino Voting Block. If what I have said were not true we would not be having this conversation, but Obama reneged on his IOU ot the Latino Community.
If what I have said were not true we would not be having this conversation
Unless, of course, you were a Republican engaged in ratfucking, writing deliberately false things and making shit up because you thought it was politically useful to do so.
if the shoe fits, etc
I did not see Joe Biden down in the Senate trying to garner votes for the DREAM ACT.
Who cares what you “saw?” Who the hell are you, that what you think you “saw” is some kind of reliable indicator of the White House’s priorities? How would you know if Joe Biden or anyone else from the White House was working on Senators?
If I were a MEAN person it could be said that Obama has already vetoed the DREAM ACT, when he failed to rally 5 Democratic Senators to vote for the DREAM ACT last year.
…because that’s how the government works in the United States: the President tells Senators how to vote, and then they go do it.
If you can’t twist a few arms for your Latino Community friends? Can’t send VP Biden to twist a few arms?
Doing nothing for the DREAM ACT and vetoing the DREAM ACT give the Latino Community the same result.
What makes you think getting to 52 didn’t involve arm-twisting?
Do you have even the slightest evidence that he “did nothing for the DREAM ACT?” Or you just assuming that must be the case, because of the super powers that allow him to get anything he wants?
How do you know that the President was able to get from 50 to 55 with some “arm twisting” I didn’t see a lot of grassroots support for the bill when it was being voted on last year
we already argued this earlier this week, and my position hasn’t changed.
it’s not up to President Obama to get Latinos 5 Dem Senators…it’s up to the Latino community to get the 5 GOP Senators.
Ahh… Immigration is the one issue that Freedom Loving Republican/Libertarians can Win the Day! Here is my Immigration policy… If any Human Being from any country (of any race or any “ethnicity”) can meet the following criteria… Let Them In! 1. Pass a criminal background check… 2. Pass an English test… 3. Sign an Agreement stating that they are not eligible to collect any Social Welfare payments…(i.e. Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Food Stamps, etc., ect., etc., etc., etc…etc… If they agree to the above…then they are net wealth creators! Let Them In!
Who is this “Pete,” and why do people keep doing things for him?
“The children of illegal immigrants”??
Romney doesn’t say whether he’s referring to children who were born here (and who are therefore citizens) or those who were brought in as children. Does he not know there’s a difference? Is this his way of getting rid of (or reinterpreting) the 14th amendment citizenship clause?
I clicked on the link, and it’s really not clear what he meant.
Then again, since the context is vetoing the DREAM act, maybe that’s enough to indicate he’s talking about kids who were brought here.
As you were.
Romney is counting on corporate media to wipe his hate-filled slate clean. He also knows that PBO does not do politics of personal destruction so he thinks he’ll skate by no matter how bigoted he is.
I hope the Latino community is paying attention.
we had this discussion earlier this week.
if Latinos don’t see the difference between President Obama and ANY of the Republicans..
well, nobody can help them.
Betray by both parties, which one has hurt us the least gets the vote.
there is ONE PARTY going across the country making ‘ WHAT ABOUT IF YOU AIN’T WHITE, DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND’ laws.
there is ONE PARTY going across the country attempting to systematically VOTER SUPPRESS Latinos.
and, it’s not the Democrats.
once again, I will say, if they don’t see the difference..
nobody can help them.
I still wanna know when getting everything that you want became the expected price for voting?
and, I still wanna know how come, if the Latino vote is so important, they couldn’t cobble together FIVE GOP Senators to vote for the DREAM ACT.
if they don’t get that President Obama is NOT their problem when it comes to immigration reform…
well….
If you watch the Frontline Show Lost in Detention you will have a better understanding of the problem. I just find it odd that the Republicans are able to have every member vote the party line, yet the Democrats cannot muster that same type of loyalty to the Party.
The truth is Obama can change the law, but for a lack of will.
I’m on your side on the deportations thing, as evidenced in the other thread, but what the hell kind of statement is this:
The truth is Obama can change the law, but for a lack of will.
Really?
I just find it odd that the Republicans are able to have every member vote the party line, yet the Democrats cannot muster that same type of loyalty to the Party.
It’s not a mystery at all; when you’re more ideologically rigid, when you fear a primary more than a GE, it’s simple to keep people in line. But not when you begin to get to the insane…look at Boehner’s problem.
It’s been easier in recent decades to get party discipline in the GOP for a number of reasons. Most of all, because the whole of the party’s efforts are for the 1%, who leave big tips. The Democrats are split. Some really want a more egalitarian society, others are quite corporate in their leanings, and constitute a left wing of the GOP.
Having said that, things are definitely worse under Boehner for the GOP as far as discipline is concerned.
“Betray by both parties, which one has hurt us the least gets the vote.”
Remind me which party is using the Justice Department to block immigration laws in places like Alabama and Arizona. Remind me which party passed those laws.
Support Obama get 1 million deported through Secure Communities.
Support a Republican and that want to deport you too?
show me the difference? Not that I would ever vote for a Republican.
I hate to break it to you, but if you can vote you’re not getting deported since you’re a citizen and not here illegally.
you can say that because you do not live with the consequences of Obama Deportation policy.Obama’s Secure Communities is Probably the largest roundup/deportations of Latinos since Operation Wetback.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback
if Latinos don’t see the difference between President Obama and ANY of the Republicans..
Latinos as a whole see an enormous difference. Obama is beating Romney by about 45 points among Latinos, and the other Republicans by even more.
Don’t mistake a lone, loud voice on the internet for whatever group identity that lone voice claims to represent.
Just wait until Mitt’s own heritage as the son of a Mexican emerges. Yes, his father George Romney was a Mexican (what else would you call someone born in Mexico?). It would have eventually disqualified him in his failed quest for the Presidency back in 1968.
Delicious ironies abound. Is Mitt himself an anchor baby? Yes. Why were the Romneys in Mexico? Because either a) they were evading U.S. taxes, or b) their grandparents were polygamists. If you guessed both A and B, you’re right. Rich soil to be tilled here. And there’s more!
So we might have the son of a Kenyan running against the son of a Mexican. Is this a great country or what?