People and pundits on the right tell themselves so many lies that it is often difficult to know if they are deceiving themselves or simply trying to deceive the rest of us. Now, I am willing to concede one thing from Hugh Hewitt’s analysis of last night’s result. If Mitt Romney is the eventual Republican nominee, he will get some benefits out of having to fight for it. Barack Obama had something like 19 debates with Hillary Clinton. He got better as he went along, and a lot of the ammunition McCain might have used against him had become old news. Using Hillary’s words against Obama had some impact, but not enough to outweigh the other considerations. And by forcing Obama to compete in every state, Clinton also assured that Obama’s team had organized in every state. I didn’t like it while it was going on, and Clinton wasn’t doing it for the health of the party, but the process did not weaken Obama.
The same could be true for Romney. But I think there are downsides that outweigh the upsides for Romney. To understand the difference you have to understand that Romney and Obama are not positioned in the same place. Obama was the anti-Establishment choice for the base primarily because he was against the war in Iraq. By November 2008, being against the war in Iraq was a positive. Mitt Romney is not the anti-Establishment choice. He is playing the role of Hillary Clinton. He’s playing it badly, and without the fervent base of support she enjoyed, but he’s the candidate that most elected Republicans and big donors want on the top of the ballot. In this cycle, Obamacare is what Iraq was in the last cycle. Romney was for it before he was against it, putting him in a position similar to Kerry and Clinton.
The problem is that Romney is distorting himself in order to compensate for his past sins and in an effort to win the trust of conservatives. The more he has to distort himself and the longer he has to go on distorting himself, the less credibility he has and the harder it is for him to pivot back to the middle.
Obama didn’t need to do any of that. First, he had mathematically wrapped up the nomination fairly early on, provided he didn’t implode. Obama’s opposition to the war didn’t place him out of the mainstream or hurt his chances with independents. For the most part, he didn’t have to make promises he couldn’t keep or that he had no intention of keeping. When Obama emerged as the nominee of the party, he didn’t have to move dramatically from the way he had been campaigning all along. That’s why the prolonged campaign ultimately did him more good than harm.
Romney is in a completely different situation. He’s already abandoned almost every moderate or sane position he ever held, and he’s gained a reputation as a flip-flopper as a result. This makes it much harder for him the flip back to the middle without exacerbating his reputation for lacking any principles. But the more time he has to do it, the most subtle and gradual he can be about it. At a minimum, losing South Carolina has lost him valuable time.
But I think his problem is more severe than that. If he continues to campaign as he has been, he’s going to lose the nomination to Gingrich. His strategy of being the inevitable, most-electable candidate has hit a stone wall. He’s going to have to go after Gingrich with real aggression, and Romney has never been appealing as an attack dog. It’s Gingrich who is appealing as an attack dog, at least to the Republican base. So, it’s not clear that Romney can change his campaign in a way that will be successful, but if he does, he will drive up his unfavorables to Newt-like levels with the general electorate.
So, all in all, I believe Gingrich’s win in South Carolina is very bad news for Mitt Romney and for the Republican Party. You can try to make some lemonade out of it, and there could be some benefits, but the net result is unlikely to be anything less than disastrous.
On Fareed Zakaria’s GPS this morning his guest was the head of the Carlyle Group who made the most cogent arguments for venture capitalists I’ve heard. If Mitt had adopted his stance and given it as forcefully, he would have carved out the role of capitalist hero. Mitt’s mush has instead riled the business sector which is pretty astonishing.
And then who knew that the Mayan 2012 doomsday seers envisioned Newt and his tag team. Cudos to the Mayans!
I don’t know what you’re talking about with the Mayans, but it’s easy to make a case for venture capitalists. Why wouldn’t we all love venture capitalists? You come up with a great idea but don’t have any money, and they give you seed money to make a fortune for yourself (and for them).
That’s why Romney likes to talk about Staples and Dominos and the Sports Authority, because he acted as a pure venture capitalist in those instances.
Vulture capitalism is completely different. That isn’t a case of promoting a great idea. It’s taking over troubled companies and bleeding them completely dry while you pocket consulting fees. The company goes bankrupt, sheds most or all of its employees and the vulture walks away with tens or hundreds of millions of dollars. Everyone loses by the vulture.
Even this feature of our economy has its purpose, just as real vultures conveniently clean up real roadkill. Truly dead companies can be carved up and sold off to surviving companies which can make more profitable use of their resources, and some jobs might even be saved in the process. But Bain didn’t even serve this purpose. They killed profitable companies for the money, and ruined lives for sport.
Absolutely, all I’m saying is that Rubenstein articulated the argument in favor of Bain that Romney has missed the boat on. It’s a pretty startling narrative coming from Carlyle, which certainly carries it’s own baggage and then some, but in a nutshell sound byte it was spectacular.
Havin fun with the Mayans as I’ve been waiting for the 2012 Doomsday event to reveal itself and here it was right under my nose in the form of Newt and his GOP teammates.
The unexpected that I find encouraging about the way the campaign is playing out is that vulture capitalism and the plutocracy are finally under discussion.
I would venture to say that as much as I like the term and visual of ‘vulture’ what Bain has been doing is more akin to ‘parasite’ capitalism. Vultures feed off dead carcasses vs Bain invaded not-healthy entities and not only fed off their hosts but starved them in the process.
yes, agree “vulture” not good; the vultures of nature get a lot of bad press. but “parasite” is too passive. how about “slash and burn” since we’re talking about the Maya and that’s how they cleared their land.
I think he can do more training for being better. So he can show a better performance next time.
Seattle Bankruptcy Lawyer
Since we’re the reality based community. There were/ are no Mayan doomsayers or doom prediction. It’s a cyclical calendar, the long form of which comes to the end of a cycle this year. the default understanding is that it resets itself and restarts as usual though the Mayans wrote nothing about it to my knowledge. someone combined it with Christian apocalyptic and came up with the scenario you mention.
This is not to say we shouldn’t start partying in the fall just in case (just kidding). OTOH last I knew car dealerships in Mexico are using the doom predictions to sell cars (your new car now before the end of the world)
party pooper
au contraire, I’m definitely in for the partying – just not the apocalyptic
mainsailset: I saw that same interview and completely agree. Whether or not Bain was/is an ethical venture capitalist company, Romney has done a shitty job of explaining it and only needed to present it in general terms like David Rubenstine of the Carlyle Group for it to pass muster with the avg voter. Interesting that Rubenstein said he makes charitable contributions of 50% of his income similar to Buffett and Gates. If Romney wasn’t a greedy MFer and did something similar (and then also wouldn’t be embarrassed to show his tax returns) he would be able to easily win the nomination.
Worth watching this clip of that interview:
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/category/gps-episodes/
Off the subject but as I looking into this Rubenstein guy a little further I found this Fortune mag article on the Carlyle Group, perhaps one of the most powerful companies in the world? And the guy who started it, this David Rubenstein guy, used to be an aide to Pres. Carter. Head scratching for me.
http://www.carlylegroup.net/thebigguys.htm
Interesting that Rubenstein said he makes charitable contributions of 50% of his income similar to Buffett and Gates.
It’s not stopping record numbers of people getting food stamps. And it’s not making our economy fairer for everyone, is it? Lets just call it what it is. Tax avoidance.
I know this was talked about down thread in the last post, but I had something to add. The SuperPAC fueled campaign of Newt Gingrich should be terribly frightening to Democrats if we think about the 2004 run of Joe “Heart of Darkness” Liberman.
If Citizens United had been settled then, Joe no doubt would have had some very deep pockets that would have allowed him to cause havok and pull the nomination process far to the right on through March or April of that year.
Obviously the outcome of that election was not favorable anyways so it is not a huge deal now. However, as we can see in the current Republican race, a SupePAC funded lunatic without shame (sounds like Holy Joe to me) could do just as much damage in 2016 or 2020 as Newt is doing to the Republican establishment today.
To my eyes, Mitt and the Republicans are looking up with binoculars at that 50/50 shot of winning the white house now.
Willard has been running for President since 2007. He simply is awful at the job. He’s up against a true clown car, and everytime they get serious against him – which hasn’t been much, he just winds up looking ridiculous, like.. how dare you challenge Mitt Romney.
All true. Except there are folks in Massachusetts who will tell you that Romney has been running for president since the votes were tabulated on election night in 2004. Two things happened that night:
*George W. Bush got re-elected (which meant an open Republican primary in 2008);
*the Massachusetts Republican party had a disastrous night, despite Romney having made a major push to rebuild the party and elect more Republicans to the state legislature.
Almost immediately, Romney lost interest in his day job as governor and started flying around the country preparing for a 2008 presidential run.
(And the extra 2-3 years haven’t helped. He’s still is awful at the job of running for president.)
I think Rmoney was elected governor in 2002. Served from 2003-2007.
Right. Elected in 2002. Failed effort at rebuilding Mass. Republican Party in 2004. Spent part of 2005 and early 2006 negotiating and passing “Romneycare”. Spent the rest of 2005-06 laying the groundwork for the presidential campaign that became his full-time job the minute his term as governor ended.
Absolutely true. Anyone who lived in Massachusetts at the time could tell you that he spent the last two years of his governorship traveling around the country trashing the people of the state:
February 24, 2005:
March 11, 2005:
Yup and yup. You guys are spot on about Romney as “governor” of my state.
I never believed for a second that the Yankee Mormon was going to win a single confederate primary (excepting maybe Florida, I guess, which now looks dubious too. Oh, and Virginia, where Newt failed to get on the ballot..for now). Which meant that he needed to win like 29-30 of the non-southern states everywhere else to still win.
Which in theory, made all the sense in the world. In practice, I’ve now discovered, it’s far more perilous. This chart still makes me think it’s the most plausible of final outcomes:
Newt Gingrich might have the lowest appeal among women and people of color of any candidate not named Pat Buchanan that I have ever seen. He’s the lowest of the low. And I just don’t think a plurality of non-southern voters in the west, or the midwest, or the north Atlantic parts of the country are going to want any part of that. Their party is the party of bigotry, but they don’t want to wear that fucking openly.
Unless Sarah Palin is Richard Nixon 2.0, and will return from the grave to settle all family scores in 2016 (and she’s not, and won’t), this election looks like it could fundamentally shatter the southern strategy of the last forty years, and with it, the Republican Party’s current mode of existence.
By the same analogy/logic you could argue Newt has gotten better and stronger with each debate.
For voters who do and will respond well to his pugilistic style he is getting better and better at sharpening his schtick.
I think in the end Obama will come off more presidential in a debate, and seem a safer saner choice to most Americans. But a lot of America is into throwing bombs right now and Newt is loaded for bear.
Newt is one of those guys about whom some say, “He’s a bastard, but he’s our bastard.” The question is, how many will adopt him as their bastard?
This is a very astute and concise analysis of Romney’s dilemma. I would add that there are many examples of his inability to relate to people in a common way. Whether it’s from his exclusive upbringing or the corporate culture he thrived in, he seems to be prone to almost comic communication failure. And, as the pressure ramps up, the worse it gets. Compare that with Obama, who, even with widespread disappointment with his economic achievement, enjoys personal approval and the perception that he “understands the concerns” of most folks.
Just to provide another perspective, I’m not sure why everyone is so excited about the potential of Newt winning the nomination.
The danger with Newt is that he’s a BS-spewing machine. He can just keep churning out meaningless BS attacks, BS ideas, BS scandals, etc. He’ll keep the media busy reporting on that nonsense—they’ll dutifully transcribe what Newt says and then ask the Obama campaign to respond to every little bit. That’s a more powerful weapon in the general than people give Newt credit for. Romney on the other hand would just keep repeating his stump speech over and over; the media’ll get bored and start running Romney-is-Gore articles (like they already have).
And even the big money establishment types will come around on Newt once they remember that he always sells himself to the highest bidder. There’s no way they’ll sit this one out.
So with the media covering every Newt spewage, hundreds of millions of Super PAC money pummeling Obama day and night, and a lackadaisical electorate, things could get ugly, and all it’d take is a wrong turn in Europe or some news event to put Newt in the oval office.
The nation is playing with fire. We’d have to hope that enough people can be reminded of Newt’s meltdown in the 1990s (and his attempt at melting down the whole government). I’m sure Bill Clinton would be happy to help with that.
I agree. I’ve always challenged the idea that we should root for the worst candidate of the opposition party in the hopes that it will give our guy a few extra points in the general election.
Because eventually, a Republican will win the presidency and I’d rather it wasn’t a candidate who felt the need to appeal to bigotry, anti-intellectualism, and promises of more war. This year’s Republican campaign has been awful on all counts. Huntsman was the closest thing to a tolerable candidate they had.
If you had to pick from the remaining Republican candidates, knowing that person would actually become president of the United States in 2013, who would you pick?
Maybe so, but as you say…at some point, Republicans will win. Do you want them winning in their current state? The only way they change course is if they nominate “one of their own” and then get their asses spanked in a 40 state blowout. Obama is stronger than any candidate we will have in 2016. If Romney is nominated and beaten, the Republicans will get more extreme. If Gingrich is nominated and beaten handedly, well, there’s a chance they’ll reform the party.
I agree with all of this and would like to point out that part of the reason Obama improved so much is that he was so green and he’s a quick learner. Obama had only run for major office once. He had never run against a world-class politician like Clinton, or, early on, other strong players like Edwards, Biden, Dodd, and Richardson. He had run against Alan Keyes, treated as a joke by his own party, and local Illinois figures. He had to suddenly move to a whole other level.
Romney, on the other hand, has lost to Ted Kennedy and John McCain, also running against Rudy Guilliani and Mike Huckabee. His been at this for two decades. He has run for President before and has successfully run for governor of a major liberal state. He’s close to the top of his game already. Most of what he is capable of learning from experience, he has already learned. His weaknesses nonetheless, especially his glass jaw and difficulty thinking on his feet and relating to “real people”, will be very difficult to cure now, or they would be already cured.
I love it, myself. So does Ron Paul, I imagine. Let these two stupid behemoths slug it out with Santorum as the idiot-boy sidekick. Continue on in a steady march, each foolish misstep by the other three driving inquisitive people to look into what Ron Paul is really saying and who he really is instead of believing the claptrap that passes for “
disinformation” in the mass media.Watch.
It ain’t over by a long shot.
Not until the fat boy, the frat boy and the altar boy sing “No mas.”
Watch.
They will destroy each other.
At worst, they will allow Obama another term. Better him than any of them, for sure.
At best their idiocy and/or imbalance…remember, Gingrich is no fool, he’s just batshit nuts.. will provide Ron Paul with more and more of a platform from which to preach his common sense.
We shall see.
Bet on that as well.
AG
P.S. Someone is going to have to prove to me that Gingrich’s wife…What’s her name, Vampirella or something like that?…is human.
I mean…really.
Whaddayou…kiddin’ me or what!!!???
She could lose the election for him just by standing there. Mars? Another galaxy altogether? The Sony robot factory? The local blowup doll joint? And that’s not an “awkward” photo, either. She always looks that way. My own theory about all the jewelry he went into hock to buy for her? That’s what she eats as food.
Twilight Zone time. Wait’ll her feeding time hits YouTube. Viral.
Can’tcha just see it?
Yup.
Like dat.
Bet on it.
Deep.
As I said in the other thread when you CTRL+Vd this, Ron Paul is done.
Could be…
It’s only about 2% over by the numbers, but you are right. With the massive media opposition to his candidacy and the resulting clomp-clomp-clomping, zombie-like stupor of the consumers/victims/consumed of that media, Ron Paul’s chances for winning the RatPublican nomination are receding by the day. There is still a posible third party run, of course. Who knows? Every once in a while the truth manages to break through the ongoing cloud of turtle-speak that always surrounds powerful empires.
We shall see.
We do keep trying.
Bet on it.
AG
“Every once in a while the truth manages to break through the ongoing cloud of turtle-speak that always surrounds powerful empires.”
Which is why people eventually see through Ron Paul’s rhetoric.
“People.”
Well, there are people and then there are…other people. The “majority” people? The group that supposedly rules? Not really. The “majority” is almost totally controlled by the 1% and its wholly-owned media. You want to know where the truth really lies? Look 180 degrees away from whatever spin is available on American media. Always and forever, at least until PermaGov/corporate ownership of those media is outlawed.
The media talking points regarding Ron Paul have morphed from silence in the face of his early success through “He’s just another crazy guy” to the current…and most successful so far…”He’s ‘unelectable’.” They finally found a self-fulfilling meme and they are using it for all it’s worth. “Don’t waste your vote; he’s going nowhere. He just wants to make trouble at the convention.”
We shall see.
The most interesting thing about Paul is that he quite obviously doesn’t seem to give a shit what the media say. He’s not media-driven; he’s not poll-driven; he just says what he really believes and then he goes on about his business. It’s taken him this far during about 30 years of public service and he is obviously going to ride that horse right to the end. He’s a man of principle, Suranis. Nothing more and nothing less. The American public is so used to seeing only power-hungry and money-hungry hustlers residing near the top of the political food chain that they simply cannot believe this one simple fact. Will it doom his candidacy? Apparently he’s OK with that. I understand his position. I occupy a similar position in my own field. I’m a musician and I play what I play, write what I write despite the shifting tides of popular taste. It doesn’t pay as well as being some kind of hack, but here I still am 40 years after I started, still doing it at a very high level. So it goes.
So it goes for him as well.
We do keep trying.
Once in a while someone hears us.
Sometimes…as in the classic era of American jazz, the similar era of Afro-Cuban/Puerto Rican styles or the rise of FDR to power…lots of people hear us. Then…and only then…something real gets done.
The rest of the time?
Stasis.
Stasis, hustle and profit-taking.
He coulda been a contender. All he had to do is stop contending. But he wouldn’t. Gotta give him his props for that.
I do.
You should too.
Later…
AG
The debates and the protracted nomination absolutely helped Barack Obama in 2008, and would have helped Clinton as well. But that’s because the Democratic primary campaign was being waged on issues that were important to the general electorate and both were taking stands that were widely acceptable if not outright popular. By keeping the campaign going, Democrats dominated the political discussion for months, while McCain sat on the sidelines. How do we end the war, how do we fix the economy, what is the best foreign policy. And of course health care. That was a pretty popular subject in 2008 as well.
The debate the Republicans are having today is entirely focused on winning the Republican nomination and they are taking stands that are extremely unpopular with the nation at large. On economics it’s entirely an appeal to the 1% at a time of widespread, bipartisan disgust with Wall Street and crony capitalism. Their solutions: privatization of Medicare and Social Security, deregulation, tax cuts for the wealthy. The racist dogwhistles, attacks on Muslims, immigrants, gays, teachers, and unions are solidifying demographics for the Democrats and driving away a significant chunk of working class whites. On foreign policy, who wants war with Iran? On health care we hear cheers from the audience for just letting people die. Name me an issue they’ve discussed has broad appeal.
This is why the Republican establishment want the nomination contest to end. The Republican debate is electoral poison.
Yep. Negatives on the rise, as predicted.
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It’s Gingrich who is appealing as an attack dog, at least to the Republican base. So, it’s not clear that Romney can change his campaign in a way that will be successful, but if he does, he will drive up his unfavorables to Newt-like levels with the general electorate.
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