In the late summer of 2000, Paul Glastris gave me a guided tour of the West Wing and the Old Executive Office Building. Bill Clinton wasn’t there that day. But it was still one of the cooler experiences of my life. I’m still grateful. Glastris has a big new piece up about where Obama stands today among the great presidents and where he might stand in the history books depending on whether he wins or loses reelection. It’s a great piece that is, if anything, too short. But his conclusion is about the same as mine. If given an opportunity to consolidate his achievements, and if he doesn’t commit some major error like Iran-Contra, Watergate, or LewinskyGate, Obama will be in the very top echelon of presidents. One point that Glastris made was quite impressive, and it hadn’t occurred to me. What if Obama’s greatest weakness is also the source, ultimately, of his greatest strength?
Even if his caution has led to achievements that are less sweeping than they might have been, that same character trait might also explain why none of Obama’s decisions has, so far, led to a calamitous outcome. This is no small feat, especially in a time of multiple world-historical emergencies. Indeed, some of our greatest presidents did not manage to avoid such self-inflicted disasters. The sainted George Washington, in an effort to retire Revolutionary War debt, chose to tax whiskey, and sparked a bloody insurgency, the Whiskey Rebellion. Thomas Jefferson, hoping to punish European powers for harassing American merchant vessels, put a stop to all marine trade in and out of American ports, and succeeded only in causing a national recession. FDR, too, precipitated a recession when he slashed budgets in 1936; he also interned the Japanese and tried to pack the courts. Ronald Reagan traded arms for hostages. Obama may well make similar kinds of grave mistakes in the future, but so far, as best we can tell, he has not made any.
The view that Barack Obama is overly cautious must also take into account the many times in his presidency when he took extraordinary risks. He did so when he turned down Detroit’s first bailout request, demanding more concessions, including government ownership and the resignation of GM’s CEO, before saying yes. He did so when, after passing the stimulus, he made health care reform his number one legislative priority, against the advice of some of his top political advisers; and when, after Scott Brown’s victory in the Massachusetts Senate race, he chose to jam the health care bill through reconciliation despite cries of outrage from the GOP. And he did so, most famously, when he chose to send special forces into Pakistan to go after Osama bin Laden, without certainty that the terrorist leader was even there, with his senior national security advisers waffling, and with the clear understanding that if the mission went wrong, as a similar one did under Jimmy Carter, it could ruin his presidency.
It should be clear by now that I don’t believe that Obama’s record has been crippled by an excess of caution. Indeed, his last-minute decision to order extra helicopters into the bin Laden raid illustrates that daring and caution are compatible virtues, and he has a winning mix of both. It should also be clear that, on the strength of his record so far, I think he’s likely to be considered a great or near- great president.
Here’s one more thing to think about, related to Geithner’s Plan:
The politics of the plan were dreadful. It looked like more mollycoddling of Wall Street. But, as Joshua Green noted in the Atlantic, it had the desired effect. Private money, $140 billion of it, flooded into the nineteen biggest banks; the lending markets unfroze; and, with the help of low interest rates from the Fed, the banks paid back the TARP funds, with interest. In 2008, the International Monetary Fund studied past financial crises in forty-two countries and found that their governments spent, on average, 13.3 percent of GDP to resolve them. By that measure, it would have cost the U.S. government $1.9 trillion. The Obama plan got the banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government, and in historically near-record time. Let that sink in.
I don’t share Glastris’s enthusiasm for Race to the Top, but aside from that, I could have written most of this piece myself. There is, however, a dark side that isn’t mentioned. And that is Obama’s record on civil liberties and the War or Terror. If he is going to have a black mark to match Washington, FDR, and LBJ, his consolidation of Bush’s national security state and his failure to punish the torturers will be the prime candidates.
Still, read the piece. It’s worth your time.
For me what’s much more important is that Obama is a far far better president than George W. I don’t live in fear that Obama could screw the pooch at any minute because of a frightening lack of judgement or perspective, or because of brazen arrogance. I’m not going to pretend he’s the greatest president ever or something. He’s got plenty of demerits. But he’s like a nice glass of water after the dystopic null-space of the Dubya administration.
And his position as the only grownup grows more undeniable with every new day of the GOP primary. Unfortunately that’s now the kind of thing history tends to value.
While I think you’re right that that’ll look like a black mark say a few years after his presidency ends, a few years after that it’ll look like a flea on an elephant compared to the black mark of doing next to nothing on energy and climate change. The challenges we face are huge and the efforts to date are minuscule compared with the scale required.
Unlike some (say Joe Romm of CAP / Climate Progress), I don’t blame Obama for the mess: presidents have known since before Carter that we need to get off of oil and stop burning fossil fuels more generally and except for Carter they’ve done nothing.
But just as Glastris points out about Obama did a great job of managing the mess he was handed on the economy, etc. he also has studiously avoided energy and climate.
What was this then?
Or, if you prefer, this?
Meanwhile, from the article:
Not to mention $90 billion in the Stimulus alone for clean energy initiatives.
BooMan – I’m trying to figure out a way to put this that isn’t rude, because I really love reading your posts. I guess I’ll say it this way: the scale of the energy and climate problem is so much larger than most people understand. The things that were passed (stimulus energy initiatives) and implemented (fuel efficiency standards) do very very little in the scheme of things. That’s not to say I’m unhappy that they were done, just that we can’t give points for good intentions and token measures.
While I completely admit that the political realities make this an uphill battle, this is one of those fights that worth fighting anyway. (Doesn’t the article praise Obama for fighting for HCR despite the stiff political headwinds?)
I realize that I shouldn’t just leave it at that, without saying how or why these challenges are larger than people understand. The best two sources to get a clear picture on these issues are Tom Murphy and Saul Griffith. See Griffith’s talk on Climate Change and Murphy’s post summarizing the set of energy challenges and apositive vision for the future. (What they’re saying isn’t unique, it’s just that they a) crunch the numbers in excruciating detail and as a result have a concrete and realistic understanding of the scale of the challenges we face and b) are good at communicating what lies ahead.)
take a good look at that roll call link.
The White House asked dozens of members to walk the plank for Cap & Trade and then watched them get devastated with brutal advertising when the Senate blocked it. It was political malpractice but they did it anyway because they believed in it so much.
And you act like none of that happened.
They tried and got their asses kicked like any mere political observer would have advised them would happen.
And you criticize them for doing nothing and not fighting.
No, I don’t act like that didn’t happen, just that, again, they didn’t stick with it like they did on HCR. I realize that there’s only so much even a very productive and progressive session of congress is going to pass, and so maybe it was folly to think they’d pass a climate regulation bill and HCR. But that wasn’t my promise—it was Obama’s during the campaign. (Maybe he meant it for an 8 year term.) And setting aside promises, the impact on the health of the nation (and world) due to climate change will make any gains made by HCR look like peanuts and now we’ve lost 4 years. So maybe some prioritization was in order. Maybe it wouldn’t have passed, but it’s hard to deny that even the weak Cap and Trade bill that was proposed wasn’t fought for much after it died in the Fall of 2009.
Anyway, I’m happy with most everything else he’s done. It’s just that if folks—including elected officials—better understood the scale of the energy and climate challenges we face, they might see a need to make those a top priority. I do hope you get a chance to check out those links.
they didn’t continue to fight for it because McConnell marshaled his troops in total opposition to a policy that McCain and Pailin campaigned on. And then they wiped out our members who stuck their necks out and replaced them with Oil Industry representatives.
What do you want? More abuse?
You’re right cap and trade was a hard sell. Cantwell and Collins had proposed a variant on the Fee-and-Dividend approach (better labeled the Clean Energy Dividend) and it’s both something that’s easier to explain to the public and is something that people would see immediate effects from. It’s the policy that James Hansen has been suggesting for some time. For whatever reason the leadership didn’t champion it, and anyway it’s impossible to re-litigate it all.
Here I find myself on the opposite side of the argument than I’m usually on: I’m usually in the position of saying “well, look, the political reality is…” just as you are. But, as it has often been noted, Nature doesn’t negotiate and doesn’t care about political realities.
Maybe people in a few decades people won’t fault Obama for the fact that we didn’t respond to these problems as we needed to, but that’ll be cold comfort. (Though we may not have to look a few decades out: during Obama’s second term it’s likely that we’ll see the first ice-free summer in the Arctic and the beginning of the permanent decline in global oil production.)
Let me add one more plea to check out Saul Griffith and Tom Murphy. I feel like the more smart progressive writers aware of the scale of the challenges, the more forces we might be able to marshall in doing something significant to respond.
An undeniable corollary to “the scale of the energy and climate problem is so much larger than most people understand,” (except you, I guess, but anyway) is that you can’t dismiss Obama’s policies as “almost nothing” just because they don’t rise to the level of what you would deem sufficient.
Hmm… So it’s difficult for me to make that statement without someone taking it as an insult, but that’s not what I meant it as. I meant is as “a lot of people know that climate change is an issue, but since they aren’t nerds and don’t spend way too much time looking at the numbers and what the latest science is telling us, they don’t realize that things are much worse than once thought.”
So the judgment on Obama’s policies on energy and climate change has little to do with my opinion and much more to do with the hard numbers of what we’d need to do (i.e. how quickly do we need to move off of oil, coal, etc. and how fast do we need to be building alternatives and changing our infrastructure). In these empirical terms it falls short. (This is a bit unique in the sphere of public policy, because on most issues you’d be hard pressed to find data that says that one policy objectively, numerically doesn’t meet our needs. But we have the data on energy and climate to evaluate exactly that.) Both Tom Murphy and Saul Griffith do calculations of this sort, and I’ve done them as well for my own understanding. Saul Griffith makes the point that people talk about our energy and climate transition as an Apollo project or a Manhattan project but that that’s the wrong analogy: what we need is World War II style overwhelming national mobilization to get it done.
In these empirical terms it falls short.
But once again, you cannot use that observation, by itself, to grade Obama’s performance on the issue. If you understand the political, economic, and operational challenges preventing the implementation of an adequate response, you cannot then turn around and disparage Obama’s handling of the issue, merely because he did not completely overcome them. You have to judge his performance within the context of the times in which he is in power.
I understand that part. You’re making the same point BooMan is making, and like I said, it’s one I generally agree with: political realities are what they are, and there’s no sense in wishing for a pony.
All I’m saying is that it’s fair to say:
a) he chose to prioritize health care reform over energy and climate reform while he promised action on both,
b) there is reason to believe that energy and climate reform will be much more important to our future in many metrics (to our economy, to the health and well being of billions of people in both our nation and the world, etc.),
c) that energy and climate change are dealing with natural systems that don’t wait for us to get our political act together and time is running out, whereas most other matters of policy are human systems that aren’t changing due to natural forces,
d) that resource limits (specifically with oil depletion) will have major, negative economic effects that are already slowly starting to manifest and will erode our economy’s ability to make the needed changes if we wait too long, and
e) in the future people aren’t going to care that much about the political realities of this moment if what they’re dealing with is once-in-a-century droughts/heat waves/floods happening every other year, if food production in many nations declines precipitously due to rapidly moving isotherms, all in an economy struggling to make do with dwindling oil, etc. – all of which are likely to happen if we don’t take major action now. They’re going to care about whether something was done or not.
But if it’s history you’re talking about, it won’t matter what reasons are given for failure. If near-future generations end up in a miserable and impoverished nation/world, they’ll look back and see the failure to do something that worked, not the politics of the day. They may blame GOP/corporate obstructionism more than they blame Obama, but his claim to greatness will be nonexistent. Another reason predicting history’s judgement at this point is just a silly game.
Cap and trade wasn’t and isn’t essential to dealing with climate change. But the EPA regulations are. The votes that are occurring this week with respect to boiler regulations are much more significant that a cap and trade bill that was essentially a giveaway to polluters.
The shift to non-polluting forms of production are much more significant, and the oil and petrochemical industries have exerted both private and public power to prevent them.
This paean is akin to saying Barry Manilow a will go down among the greatest singers ever…because he never had a truly bad song and never took any risks. Obama has been mediocre…but he sure didn’t sound mediocre on the campaign trail. I know I’m supposed to forget the campaign, as it was a bunch of lies, but I will not and cannot.
Why doesn’t the author mention the Democratic Wipeout of 2010? That monumental blunder should be squarely on Obama’s lack of deliver on promises. I know, I know. It was only the campaign…
I’m bemused, to say the least.
I volunteered and participated in the 2008 campaign a lot – far more than I had time for. And I should say that folks who say Obama promised one thing and delivered another weren’t listening. Maybe people hoped he would deliver more radical change, but anyone who actually looked at what he said and his policy style in the past wouldn’t have been confused.
I think for the most part—with the major exception of energy and climate change as I wrote above—he has followed through on his actual promises, even if he hasn’t delivered on hopes people had for him.
This is a seriously stupid analogy. If Barry Manilow tried something huge and bold and fucked up, he might tank his career, but costs to people who aren’t Manilow are minimal. If the president does it you get things like Bush starting the second Iraq war. Not screwing things up is VERY important for a president, not so much for a pop singer. How can you even think this comparison makes a jot of sense?
Because he thinks of politics as entertainment, the purpose of which is to make his feel awesome.
It is much too early to write history. And there are still too many unsettled issues on all of risk-taking items mentioned. The bailout of the auto industry has helped stabilize the economy but has not had the expansionary effects that it would have in the Eisenhower administration; the US auto industry over 45 years of bad management squandered its lead. Health care reform depends on the political positioning when the individual mandate hits the Supreme Court. The consequences of violating Pakistani airspace are still reverberating in that country and Obama has not yet been able to declare victory in Afghanistan and come home (which prolongs the extra-Constitutional powers granted in the AUMF and other anti-terrorist legislation).
On the mortgage crisis, we have two zombie banks (Bank of America and Citi) that are deserving of being broken up; there is no evidence that that will happen. The US dip into austerity policies after the 2010 election has not countered Europe’s dip into the same policies by making the US a growth engine again.
And the civil liberties morass gets deeper and deeper, with Robert Mueller not knowing whether the FBI has the authority to assassinate a US citizen on US soil or not warrant or no warrant. (One would have thought the answer would have been “Hell no. We have a Constitution. I definitely do not have that authority, nor does any other government official.”
Those who maintain faith in the President’s abilities are expecting a pivot out of the Bush-driven trajectory. “The battleship is big and slow to turn.”
If that happens, yeah the President will claim some degree of historic greatness. But it’s very hard to see the rudder moving, although there is some motion of the trim tab.
Let’s discuss this issue in 2017.
What does that even mean? What expansionary effects? What, you want 90% of all the cars in the world sold by GM or Ford? Global monopoly or we’ve failed? We need a higher GDP than the rest of the planet combined, and manufacturing floor wages of $100,000/yr with guaranteed pensions for life? Anything less is a failure?
What anti-globalist crack have you been smoking?
Absolutely false. This is all ignorant anti-corporate leftist nonsense. I’m sorry that once again the private sector has managed to slough off consequences and restore profitability, capitalism will survive another day after all, you’ll just have to accept it. Economics is not a morality play.
TarheelDem doesn’t need any defense from me, but I thought I’d jump in anyway.
Auto manufacturing is a smaller part of the economy and generates far fewer jobs (absolutely and as a % of the whole) now than it did in the 1950s. It’s a fairly matter-of-fact assertion TarheelDem made.
As for Citi and BOA, opinions certainly differ—and legitimately so. I’ll just note that there are plenty of pro-capitalist economists and industry analysts who agree with TarheelDem’s basic point. (There are plenty who don’t, too. I’m just making the point that it’s not “ignorant anti-corporate leftist nonsense”.)
What is the “correct” number of jobs the auto industry should employ? Should automation be banned?
Why is building cars worthy of special commemoration and respect any more so than building telecom equipment or airplane parts?
Building cars is important in how Obama will be remembered because the auto bailout was one of his signature accomplishments. It might be that building alternative energy generation equipment or telecommunications equipment is added to that accomplishment in a second term.
Should automation be banned? If your policy is to starve the unemployed, maybe it should be. The fundamental political question in 2012 is whether people matter anymore. Or are they just incidental servants of institutions, discarded at will. Will every human value be subordinated to demands of the economy? That fundamental question transcends the political pettiness going on in Congress.
Easy, big fella. I’m not saying there’s a “correct” number of jobs for the auto industry—or for any other industry. I’m just trying to explain why saving GM and Chrysler has less of a macroeconomic effect in 2010 than it would have in, say, 1957.
And I don’t think anyone’s said here that building cars is worthy of “special commemoration and respect”. I think the basic argument in favor of saving GM and Chrysler is twofold:
1 – that the credit markets were frozen, which meant there was no private capital to keep the companies going through normal bankruptcy channels (and that government financing could save both companies as they restructured);
2 – because of how the US auto industry grew and operated within the larger industrial ecosystem, if GM and Chrysler shut down, then there would have been a huge ripple effect throughout the industrial Midwest as many of their suppliers shut down as well. The resulting loss of a major segment of the US industrial base would have been a huge economic blow, and potentially a blow to US national security.
Sometimes government saves capitalism. This was one of those times.
Obviously. So what does anything have to do with fucking Eisenhower?
From where I sit, this was all a gratuitous cheap shot at the President because Michigan isn’t magically at full employment. GM and Chrysler were unprofitable companies. Then they were bailed out and forcibly restructured, and now they’re profitable companies. The end. It doesn’t go any deeper than that.
Turns out Barack Obama didn’t transform and humanize global capitalism, or whatever Tarheel’s going on about. Oh noez, woe is us. Such a failure of leadership. Viva la revolucion.
It most certainly was not a cheap shot. It was a statement that the multiplier effect of expansion in the auto industry in the 1950s was greater than it is today. And that as a result the economy could not have bounced back like it did in the 1950s. Historians will note that in assessing Obama’s presidency.
That is a cheap shot.
At the risk of involving myself–greater than just a risk at this point, I’m afraid–in precisely the thing that I think is harming this site at the moment, Bazooka Joe’s stock-in-trade is the cheap shot.
What that means is the in the 1950s there were many more industries that were suppliers of the automobile industry so that an expansion of automobile sales like we’ve seen in the past two years would have drawn more people back to work. The second part is my key point. The US auto industry was slow to develop fuel efficient cars, was slow to adopt safety measures, was more interested in marketing than engineering and compensated their executives for poor performance over 45 years. After the bailout is there any evidence that those management failings have changed? That external factor will shape how history remembers Barack Obama and the auto bailout. Just like Jimmy Carter and the Chryler bailout.
We need to either drop the pretense of the “American Dream” or create a society in which folks have a chance like they did in the 1950s to make a good living without having to go to the expense of college or booklearning. There is a huge workforce out there who used to work in manufacturing that has been abandoned by policymakers. BTW, I don’t know any manufacturing floor people who ever made wages of $100K/yr. Guaranteed pensions for life? Of course. What do executives have? What do Members of Congress who work only one or two terms have? What do judges have? Why not?
As for globalism, it is subject to negotiated political change. Why not global labor standards that include minimum wages and pensions?
This is far from the best of all possible worlds.
I’m not sure how much real profitability has been restored to the economy. Especially when it comes to the two banks that I mentioned. The failure of either of those banks could set us down the path that we followed in 2008 as investors scramble for the exits. Other banks are in much better position. But there are continuing problems with wringing out foreclosed housing on both of those and no one knows clearly the full financial exposure that those two banks have.
Economics is not a morality play but it does depend on honesty and transparency to prices and financial condition. That is what has been and continues to be missing from the financial markets. And the new financial regulations look good but it is going to take some time and effort for them to actually change corporate behavior.
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Obama replaced fear by hope which is a major achievement. He tore down the nasty slogans of the previous administration like the “war on terror”, refrains from calling war a crusade or invoke G-d and biblical figures to destroy lives in a war. You may call Obama a “pro-life” president. Keeping my fingers crossed and hoping he can withstand the Neocon and Israeli lobby to avoid a war and bring havoc on the Iranian people. On Syria he was on the wrong track. I hate to think where the US would stand with a McCain/Palin administration. I fear bombs would be falling on Teheran today.
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
Meh. That’s not even a dark side. That’s not even in the top 90% of awful things American commander-in-chiefs have done in the last 100 years. That’s bottom decile crap. Barely rates.
The Bush administration was audacious and Orwellian in its plans to fight terror by emulating and partnering with middle eastern torture states. The Obama administration is just silly and Monty Pythonish in the details of its programs. They have time and inclination to leak minute by minute details of failed assassination attempts on Awlaki to Brian Ross and the NYTimes, but not time to let the judicial system in on sanctioning the hit? Because that would compromise national security protocols and intelligence operations? Whatever. Due process != judicial process ftw.
I wish the financially illiterate and historians of this era would simply go and fucking look at the expansion of the Fed, ECB, BoE, BoC and BoJ balance sheets of the last five years and start putting two and two together. Because if you would just stop and think for a moment about what it is that the central banks did, and the unprecedented cohesion with which they did it, you would know that comparing 2008-09 to a financial collapse in some no-count Latin American country or pre-War Europe is completely inappropriate. Fucking nonstate actors, people, look ’em up. It’s not all about governments.
A lot of how you grade Obama comes down to how much weight you place on civil liberties/WOT types issues vs. things like the ACA. There is a strong case for giving great emphasis to CL, despite the fact that the numbers affected in the short run are relatively small. Things like the ACA, how long to stay in Afghanistan, and how to deal with the financial crises are part of the normal politics of democracies. where the decision could go one way or another without changing the basic nature of the society. Issues like execution without trial are the brightest line between democracies and various nightmare forms of authoritarianism. A country that will execute its citizen without judicial process, especially as acknowledged policy, is a fundamentally different kind of country than one that will not. For much of the 20th century, much of the Left maintained that the greater economic equality and sometines higher standard of living (relative to previously; not relative to the West) achieved by Communist governments at least partially (and for some completely) offset their authoritarianism. In the end, they did no such thing. Is there any modern government that permitted itself execution of its own citizens at executive will that did not end up a nightmare?
Executions are something that is done to prisoners in custody.
Using it to describe shooting someone in a war is just emotionally-manipulative blather.
No, shooting at the other side in a war, even when one of the people who went overseas to join the other side was born here, is not “fundamentally different” from what democracies do. It is exactly what democracies do when they are fighting a war.
The United States government “executed” somewhere around 300,000 of its own citizens who joined the other side in a war in the 1860s.
Somehow, democracy not only survived subsequently, but expanded and flourished.
This is because, once again, none of those people were actually executed. Or assassinated. Or murdered.
They were killed, in a war, while fighting for the other side. Just like Awlaki.
Well not exactly. A goodly number of that 300,000 died from illness. And most that mustered after 1863 were there because they were conscripted. No one knows what they actually thought.
War is murder on a grand scale. Wrapping it in a flag doesn’t sanitize it at all, no matter how necessary it might be.
The assertion that Awlaki was fighting on the other side is based on news reports from background interviews with the US intelligence community. And from recorded speeches on his internet site. Dianne Feinstein has seen the complete legal justification for the drone attack, but neither the rest of the Intelligence Committee nor the Senate Judiciary Committee nor the relevant House Committees have seen the report to review.
The whole notion that the folks in Guantanamo and folks like Awlaki are beyond the laws of war just because they are not state actors is specious. Beyond the law of war and beyond the protection of the Constitution places them in a legal position in which they can be treated any way for any reason. This is totally unlike the Civil War situation.
On this issue both President Obama and Attorney General Holder are wrong. And the fact that they turn to PR instead of releasing the decision documents and legal justifications shows that they know they are in the wrong on this issue.
It is time to end the pretense that we are in war that was created by the AUMF. The US has successfully dealt with terrorists (domestic and foreign) before without pretending to be in a war.
It is past time for President Obama to declare victory and get us out from under the security state initiated by the AUMF.
War is murder on a grand scale. Wrapping it in a flag doesn’t sanitize it at all, no matter how necessary it might be.
This is a fine thing to say, in the sense that dead is dead, but it’s misguided in the context here. There is an enormous difference, in terms of the effect on society and the implications for our democracy and constitution, between people being killed while actively working for the other side in a war, and people being “executed” or “assassinated” in a context other than war.
The assertion that Awlaki was fighting on the other side is based on news reports from background interviews with the US intelligence community. And from recorded speeches on his internet site. Dianne Feinstein has seen the complete legal justification for the drone attack, but neither the rest of the Intelligence Committee nor the Senate Judiciary Committee nor the relevant House Committees have seen the report to review.
Well, there’s also the testimony of Abulmuttalab, the Christmas Day bomber. And at this point, we also know that he was riding in a car with the military commander of AQAP and the chief global propagandist for the global, umbrella al Qaeda organization. I think we’re going to have to let go of the pretense that this was some guy, his name plucked out of the phone book, whose involvement we just don’t know about.
The whole notion that the folks in Guantanamo and folks like Awlaki are beyond the laws of war just because they are not state actors is specious. Beyond the law of war and beyond the protection of the Constitution places them in a legal position in which they can be treated any way for any reason. This is totally unlike the Civil War situation.
But Obama and Holder haven’t argued any such thing. They’ve based their actions and positions on exactly the opposite proposition – that Awlaki was subject to the laws of war as a combatant, just like any officer in a hostile army. And when terrorism suspects have been captured under this President, unlike the last one, they have been treated entirely in accordance with the Constitution’s requirements for criminal suspects.
It is time to end the pretense that we are in war that was created by the AUMF. The US has successfully dealt with terrorists (domestic and foreign) before without pretending to be in a war.
It’s not a pretense; it’s a legal, constitutional, and operational reality. We really are at war with al Qaeda, and that is the legal status. Furthermore, it is right to have a military component in this fight, because al Qaeda had capabilities and resources that elevated them above and beyond the terror threats we’d previously faced.
It is past time for President Obama to declare victory and get us out from under the security state initiated by the AUMF.
I don’t think it’s “past time,” but it’s awfully close. Al Qaeda has been knocked back to the point that they are just like those other terrorism threats we’ve faced before, and we are quite close to consolidating that situation by wiping out the last of its leadership. Then, it will be time to end that war against al Qaeda and deal with them as if they were the Red Brigades or PFLP.
I possibly have a naive affection for the man, but it seems fairly clear for me that the President thinks that rolling back the Bush admin policies can’t happen until the two wars are actually ended, lest resistance politically end up perpetuating them ad infinitum.
I’m sure politics has something to do with it, but there are also operational reasons why you want to wait until the war is over before abandoning war powers.
Actually, I’ll go you one better: Obama understands that politics is an operational concern. His ability to think broadly is precisely what makes him effective. “Just politics” is nonsense, in practical terms.
There is no such thing as a War On Terror. Terror is an emotion; terrorism is a tactic. The American we killed was not in the enemy territory of “{error”, fighting under its flag. War on Terror is a metaphor at best, and a dishonest and horrible one at that, as it encourages just the sort of argument you just made. We were and are not at war with Yemen or Pakistan, and al queda is a criminal network not a state.Radical environmentalists and Occupiers have been called “terorists” by those on the right, and, if they regain power, there is nothing to stop them from acting on that premise, as “due process” is now supposedly not “judicial process”, so there is no judicial review.
Glastris is strikingly kind to Reagan, whose arms-for-hostages deceptions were only the icing on the septic cake he left for America. His asinine chants about government being the problem continue to push the nation over the cliff today. The despised Nixon presided over far more historic progress than Reagan even imagined. Glastris’s inability to recognize the real disaster Reagan provoked makes me wonder about his judgement or his motives.
OTOH, Glastris is right about FDR’s culpability in the Japanese detention, but where is the lasting damage from his “court packing” attempt? It was legal and arguably would have removed a very real block to progress.
As to Obama, I doubt that his bank bailout, however brilliant it may look to future generations, will propel him to the top in the history books. It’s just not the kind of thing that has the drama. Same with bin Laden. I think his place in history will be assured if the health insurance reform turns out to be the necessary breakthrough permitting much more sweeping improvements in health care for all. This seems like a distinct possibility.
The greatest threat to his legacy may be in civil liberties. The hysteria brought on by Sept 11 will be seen as ovet the top (like the hysteria against the Japanese in WWII), and his cutting corners on fundamental rights will bring him blame. His role in initiating drone warfare could turn out to cloud his legacy the way Hiroshima darkened Truman’s.
Unfortunately, history will forget the insanity Obama has had to deal with from a desperate theocrat/social-darwinist reactionary coup attempt. Of course no one knows what America will look like by the time historical rankings have any credibility. But if his predecessors over the past half-century or so are the standard, he’s facing a very low bar. Assuming he’s reelected, though, it’s hard to imagine he doesn’t end up in at least the top 20%, and maybe much higher.
Top 20%, as of right now, puts him in the top 9. I’d say if his trajectory continues he’ll be top 10.
The thing is, it’s not just “recent history.” Nearly all of our presidents have been awful except for the first few, Polk, Abe, TDR, and FDR.
God, I always type TDR because of FDR. I should just stick with “Teddy”…
Or, like Mr. Dooley, “Tiddy Rosenfeld.”
The Obama Administration didn’t bail out the banks, in fact they actually put some controls on that money that the Bush bailout didn’t have on it. I know they did those stress tests, but that’s about it.
The US Treasury has made some profit from lending that money. It was on Bloomberg some time ago, but it isn’t as habby amount.
Paulson wanted the rest of the money, $350 billion and Congress refused it. Thank heavens.
I remember Paulson’s 3 page bill that basically was a blank check. What a train wreck that entire administration was for this country.
I don’t know if you feel like editing this into the post or not, Booman, but there’s an accompanying feature to the Glastris article that lists the top 50 accomplishments of the administration. I think I only disagree with #40, but that’s just because the media hasn’t bothered to diligently report on Afghanistan and Iraq for ten straight years now. Still, it’s one hell of a list.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035
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#40 is the Hate Crimes bill, no?
Nah, my bad. I meant #41. No scandals reported by the press.
There’s pretty much been a major scandal in Iraq or Afghanistan like clockwork every 4-6 months for the last ten years. They don’t get reported on like nonsense like Solyndra though. No real mysteries why.
Is property theft yet?
Anybody see a banker’s head on a pike?
Which cabinet department does Van Jones head again?
Worse than Bush.
Ask Bill Clinton about bankers. He was their best friend.
A lot of what happened with Wall Street was legal. That is the problem.
He’s worse than Bush, He sold us out. This is the constant refrain.
I’m sick of it.
I agree with Tarheel about it being too early to grade Obama.
In 2003, were we not fondly looking back on Bill Clinton and “the longest peacetime economic expansion in American history?” It’s only lately that his legacy on economic policy has been reviewed in light of the financial meltdown.
The biggest reason that it’s too early is that Obama is likely to win re-election and add to his record of achievements.
These sort of temperature-checking discussions obscure the fact that the critical elections this year are in Congress and the states. And there are too many seats that Democrats are passing on. Latest item: Chellie Pingree in Maine.
You don’t win unless you show up.
and add to his record of achievements.
Or rack up some blunders. Take a look at Reagan’s second term.