Yesterday, during what the Evansville Courier & Press says was an otherwise strong debate performance, Republican Senate candidate Richard Mourdock handed the Democrats a gift. He was asked to explain why he opposes abortion rights for rape victims and he said that “even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.” I think we can set aside philosophical and theological discussions about predestination and the degree to which God controls and approves of everything that happens. As a political matter, what Mourdock said is poison. It makes it sound like every pregnancy resulting from rape is part of God’s plan. And the logical inference from that is that God approves of rape if it results in pregnancy. One can imagine a rapist’s defense attorney attempting to use this defense in court.
Mitt Romney’s spokeswoman Andrea Saul immediately said that the presidential candidate does not agree with Mourdock’s statement. Yet, somewhat awkwardly, a commercial featuring Romney and Mourdock began running on Indiana television on Monday. So far, the Romney campaign has not committed to taking down that ad.
After the debate, Mr. Mourdock attempted to do some damage control:
“Are you trying to suggest that somehow I think God ordained or preordained rape? No, I don’t think that anyone could suggest that. That’s a sick, twisted — no, that’s not even close to what I said,” Mourdock said.
“It is a fundamental part of my faith that God gives us life. God determines when life begins,” he said. “I believe in an almighty God who makes those calls. … There are some things in life that are above my pay grade.”
A normal human being will have trouble reconciling the idea that a pregnancy could be something that God intended to happen with the idea that God didn’t ordain or preordain the rape that caused that pregnancy. The loophole is, of course, that some things are above Mr. Mourdock’s pay grade and are not supposed to make sense.
One irony here is that Joe Donnelly, the Democratic candidate opposing Mr. Mourdock, is also anti-choice. The difference is that he is willing to make exceptions for the life and health of the woman, or in cases of rape and incest. So, there’s a clear choice between the two candidates, but both choices are still bad.
This whole scandal matters for more than one Senate race in Indiana. It matters because Mitt Romney’s running mate holds the exact same views about rape and choice as Mr. Mourdock. As you can see in the following interview where Paul Ryan discusses the controversy over Missouri Republican Todd Akin’s comments about “legitimate rape,” Ryan does not believe the “method of conception” had any bearing on whether abortion should be permitted. If the method of conception is rape, that shouldn’t be treated any differently than if it was consensual.
Now, it’s true that Ryan says in the same interview that he is joining Romney’s ticket and will support Romney’s exceptions for rape, but that doesn’t change his personal view which would take precedence if it turns out that Romney has a brain tumor or something and won’t be completing his term in office.
While it might seem that the most jarring thing about Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock’s views is their eccentric interpretation of female biology or God’s providence, the focus should remain on the policy. Todd Akin, Richard Mourdock, and Paul Ryan all oppose exceptions for rape, and for the same reason.
thanks for this, BooMan.
they are all peas in a pod.
Mourdock…Ryan…Akin…the entire lot of the GOP
We’ve been given a peek behind the curtain. The American Taliban marches on.
To state the obvious; Romney’s can drag Ryan with him every day until election in promising the electorate that his views are wise and trustworthy, but if elected he would walk through the front door of the White House with a truckload of IOU’s to pay back.
In the end, these 2 peas will sell their pod to the highest bidder in the room and that is their singular value.
May Mourdock find praise from the wacked base contributors all day long.
So when’s Trump coming out with his surprise?
Trump’s surprise is out. He bet $5,000,00 that Obama can’t produce his college transcript and something or other. More birther nonsense.
If he promised ME $5,000,000 for my transcript, I couldn’t produce it. Some nitwit student assistant in the ’90’s destroyed all the old transcripts figuring they weren’t needed anymore. I had a potential employer that wanted that 30 year old transcript. I have the diploma, but the transcript is history.
If it was ME, I’d fake the damn thing.
Thinking people were quickly able to determine that Christianist Ryan’s position on abortion is the most extreme one available in this country. This is a common feature of today’s young white male “conservatives”: like dogs unable to resist the delicious turds in the litter box, they go straight for the most extremist rightwing position on every issue–it’s part of the “fun” to be the purest “conservative”. Arf! Arf!
The bigger issue of course, is that we have a corporate media which refuses to report (and make crystal clear) that the VP choice of the corporate Repub candidate has precisely the same braindead medieval views on abortion as monstrous American Taliban figures like Mourdock and Akin. (Leave aside the fact that this is the view of virtually 100% of the loathsome Repub Taliban party, as was made clear by bill after bill they sponsored in our national and state legislatures for the past two years.) All this while polls indicate reproductive rights are a major issue for many people.
So while some (sane) people may indeed be outraged over Mullah Mourdock’s and Ayaytollah Akin’s blithe acceptance of rape pregnancies as part of God’s Holy Plan for the Unhappy Little Lady (and that our national public policy should be to just humbly accept “God’s Will” on the matter), this doesn’t seem to result in our worthless corporate “news” teams adding 1+1 vis-a-vis the callow and smug turd Ryan. Repub operatives would strongly object and be angry that the truth was reported, so that’s the end of the matter for today’s heroic “journalists”. Your Lib’rul Media…
When Repubs are able to (quietly) hold (multiple) positions rejected by large majorities and win elections, the blame can be placed squarely on the worthless “news” media. No democracy can survive a continual diet of propaganda, lies and half-truths, which is what we currently have, and have had for some time.
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I really disagree with this. There is an important role for social disapproval when a person or group’s views leave the mainstream too far behind. It was true when Timothy Leary said kindergarteners would be getting acid back in the 60’s and it’s true for these bozos today. The fact that this kind of opinion is not considered toxic within the Republican Party mainstream should damn them to multiple election cycles in a very barren wilderness, if you’ll excuse the metaphor.
The proper response is exactly to not focus on policy, but to focus on scorn and disgust. These people have no place in modern society, much less elected office.
Is there a question in this for the Ryans & Mourdock’s of this world that they are planning on setting rapists free as the rape is God’s will, and then putting the woman and her doctor in prison?
Rapid Response:
someone didn’t get the memo:
Wasn’t this God’s will? Wasn’t he an agent of God?
/snark
Man, you shouldn’t label your comment snark. Isn’t it the logical conclusion of a severely fundamentalist relligious view like the one held by this nut in Indiana? It actually IS god’s will, in their view.
Absolutely correct! I labeled it in case someone might think that I actually thought that way.
This “God” of Mourdock is clearly a psychopath, and needs to be put on the sex offender registry PDQ.
Romney disagrees with the view that rape conception is a divine good and/or scientifically impossible. He disagrees so much with this view, he’s actively endorsing other national candidates who hold this view, and even putting them on his ticket.
A doctor in political memory disorders might call this an acute episode of morbid Romnesia.
Accute Romnesia?
No such thing as acute Romnesia. Romnesia is a systemic condition, and cannot be acute. It is a pervasive personality disorder, in which the first break occurs in roughly 4th grade. After that, it’s a downhill spiral.
Dear Mssrs. Mourdock, Akin, Ryan, Santorum, Romney, and all you other misoygnist, religious freaks,
Must decline to accept your “gift from God.”
Regards, Women
You hit it, Marie! They think they are God’s gift to women!
All you ladies have met this type, haven’t you?
Or is it that women are god’s gift to them, kinda like demo derby cars and blow-shit-up kits?
These Christianist assholes should start preaching “DO NOT RAPE!” to men everywhere, if they need to preach. And they don’t get tell women at all about what they do with their bodies. I am sick to death of hearing what women “should” or “must” do after they have been violated.
Every day, the Repukes say that the “War on Women” is just a big fat liberal wet dream, that the gender gap is close to 0, or maybe even negative, and blah blah blah.
Then every day, some clueless idiot GOPper says something like this. I love it, personally.
Policy discussion is good for folks who enjoy thinking.
For those other voters, the ones that are more likely to pay attention to the quality of a candidate’s spray-tan, there is a lot to be said for drenching these reprobates in their own ick.
Of course it’s what he believes. It’s what all these twisted freaks believe.
They believe men should have complete control over women’s bodies; why wouldn’t they believe God has complete control over women’s bodies – as well as men’s? And so, when men (like them) rape or beat or torture or enslave women, they’re just doing God’s work?
You can use the exact same rationale Mourdoch, Akin, Ryan, Santorum, et al. are using for rape preganancy to justify any of those things. Left unchecked, sooner or later, they will.
Don’t the Taliban blame women for being raped? Don’t people call the R’s, “the American Taliban”?
Didn’t Ryan personally campaign for Mourdock? Anybody have a link to video of that?
According to Indy News 8 there were no cameras inside the venue on Sept. 17th, but it was fairly widely reported that Ryan said this inside:
There’s no light between this defense and one of the ones from Charlie Manson, the murderers of Chris Stevens, and the hundreds of other assaults and murders committed because “God told me to do it”. It’s way past time to inform these Taliban aholes that nobody gives a shit what your “god” told you.
Especially when your God is a big black dog (Son of Sam).
It is possible to believe, from a Christian point of view, that:
However if those Christians were consistent, they would also believe:
a. Divorce is wrong and shouldn’t be allowed
b. Any person having sex out of wedlock is committing a crime – particularly the person initiating it
c. The man is at least as guilty as the women
d. Any women carrying a child deserves absolutely every support, financial and moral to go through that pregnancy, and
e. if she decides to have a termination, that should be treated with compassion and forgiveness.
But crucially, any Christian should acknowledge that their faith is the result of their free will and decision making and not something that can, or should be imposed on others against their will.
Thus the criminalization of abortion is in and of itself anti-Christian, and nothing other that the abuse of Christianity to impose your views on others.
I have no difficulty with those who oppose abortion and apply that to their own lives. Typically, however they seek to impose that view on others whilst giving themselves a free pass – as with divorce.
Here’s my ad:
“Voters are confused on where Romney stands. (Insert a couple of his flip-flops here) How can we know what he really believes: The Republican platform says (insert platform language here). The Republican Senate candidates say this and this. Even Romney’s VP candidate believes this.
“If you believe that women have the right to privacy, the right to make decisions for their bodies, then vote Democrat.”
Not well written but you get the idea. You start by stating that Romney is unclear on his abortion stand, but if you really want to know what you’ll get in a Romney administration look at the Republican platform and what Republican candidates say.
Romney is all the road on the Abortion issue. However, Romney has convinced Kansas Gov. Brownback to campaign for him in Ohio.
http://midwestdemocracy.com/articles/brownback-romney-odds-over-abortion-four-years-ago/