For the first time in some of your lives, the House of Representatives just passed a bill that the majority of the majority party opposed. Ordinarily, such votes are not even allowed to happen. And, while technically this vote occurred past midnight (and thus in 2013), this is the first time that Republicans have voted for tax increases since they helped Poppy Bush violate his “Read My Lips” pledge over twenty years ago. The Republicans also voted for stimulative tax credits and an extension of unemployment insurance, in violation of their anti-Keynesian economics absolutism. Insofar as the fever could be broken, it has been broken.
If you watched the debate in the House, it was clear that the Republicans were absolutely miserable and the Democrats were absolutely giddy. Yet, many respectable voices in the Progressive movement are unhappy. I want to remind you, first of all, that only 16 Democrats in the House voted against this bill. That is only a tiny fraction of the Progressive movement. Unless you think your elected officials are idiots, you probably are wrong to see this as a defeat. This is a bill that was supported by people like Bernie Sanders, Al Franken, Jeff Merkley, Tom Harkin, and Sherrod Brown. If you think that they sold you out, you might be an extremist yourself.
Yes, it sets us up for a battle over the sequester and the debt ceiling, but that was where we were from the beginning, right? We were going to battle over those things, but also unemployment insurance and progressive tax credits and so much more that we got in this deal.
The GOP has been splintered, with their leader forced to take the minority position within his own party and then forced to ram it down the throats of his base. If you ever thought you’d see that day, raise your hand. And we need it to happen again to tackle immigration reform or assault weapons or climate change. It may not happen, but this was a prerequisite if it was going to happen.
If you are worried that we will see cuts in entitlements two months from now, you are probably correct. We were never going to escape that entirely. But any cuts we see will be matched by further tax hikes. We have a president who is coming off a series of victories whose popularity will have never been higher, and he isn’t going to cave. The GOP might think that cuts to entitlements are popular, but they are wrong. Actually, they know that they are wrong and that the only way to get them is as part of a bipartisan deal where blame is widely shared. They will not refuse to pay our debts in order to slash our Social Security checks and, if they do, we’ll win back the House.
Relax. Have a cigar. Bask in the glow.
Harkin voted against the bill – he was basically the only liberal in the Senate to do so.
He was my choice for POTUS in 1992. Unfortunately, he was dismissed as a favorite son after winning the Iowa caucus and NH voters went for Tsongas and that gave Clinton the nomination.
Mconnell played Obama and Biden for the hapless suckers they are. Wait to see what he does to them on the combined sequester/debt ceiling negotiations.
Oh, that’s right, Obama/Biden aren’t going to negotiate. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
I’ll bet any sucker here $10,000 that Obama/Biden get taken to the cleaners again.
Troll failure alert.
yes, this troll is truly fail material.
Booman, you are the voice of sanity that Al Giordano was in 2008. I don’t see Obama caving on the debt ceiling. Republicans will not wreck the economy in plain view with all to see. The Koch brothers would be PISSED!
I agree! I come here now as I used to go to Al’s site during the election in 2008. Same reason.
Ditto. I am grateful to have a site that informs with rational fact and some opinion. Thanks for all you do!
I don’t think the Koch’s [the .1% or .01%] care and it would certainly serve their goals of a debt enslaved work force, but the 1% sure will.
I’m a bit surprised not to see more progressives enraged about fighting the debt ceiling and the sequester AT THE SAME TIME. To put it simply, it’s kind of inevitable that liberals will have to make some concessions over the sequester given the inherent asymmetry (neither Obama nor the GOP wants military spending cuts). Obama has been promising that he wouldn’t make any concessions over the debt ceiling. But now that he’ll be fighting both issues at the same time, when Obama makes a concession, there’s a question of what he’s conceding to. If he conceding to the sequester or the debt ceiling?
This means that progressives lose twice over–the GOP can claim victory in a debt ceiling fight (thus more debt ceiling fights in the future), Obama can concede whatever he decides to concede without having to admit that he conceded over the debt ceiling.
Progressives know that a moderate bipartisan coalition in the House, and frankly a moderate President, are going to do a lot of stuff they won’t like at all. But the alternative, if the House GOP caucus couldn’t be split, was and is anarchy and economic disaster. We are not the mirror image of the Teabaggers as lockstep mainstream Dems would have you believe.
You know, it occurs to me that with the “hastert” rule gone, Boehner could be elected speaker with the Democrats and a minority of Republicans (who’se numbers will be less in the next congress). Boehner gets to keep his big office and drinking habits while being Pelosi’s bitch, and the house would suddenly become far less of a problem. Not a walkover but much more managable, with the madmen corralled into their own corner filled wighimpotent screaming…
Which is so sweet and evil that I would laugh my head off if that’s whats going on.
Yes, if only Democrats got to vote for the Republican leadership.
I think every Congressperson votes for Speaker, it’s just that the majority usually has a unified vote that their leader always wins.
they do.
I like your idea
But if the House Republican caucus splits over who to vote for Speaker (DARE WE HOPE?), then couldn’t the Dems elect Pelosi? Of does it require an absolute majority to elect a Speaker?
Trouble in paradise?
that nonesense is very upsetting. Things are still nonfunctional around here, and many people lost everything. You understand of course. And my deepest condolences about your grandmother. Very sorry to read about your loss, very sorry to hear.
watching the Sandy coverage & the politics, I’m always wondering what would have happened to NOLA with this do nothing Congress. hope for the best for the Sandy states
thank you
thanks BooMan.
I don’t happen to think there will be any entitlement cuts.
I think the President will ask for a clean bill..
and tell the GOP to run on cutting entitlements in 2014…
and, if they win on that platform…then they can talk in 2014
I was glad to see Obama reiterate that he will not debate raising the debt ceiling. He needs to repeat this many times and as emphatically as he can. Since there will be ongoing discussions related to the sequester and other budget issues, keeping the debt ceiling separate will take some effort. I would like to see Obama lay out specific numbers for deficit reduction and call on R’s to do the same. No more “the President must lead” and expect to get his cover for entitlement cuts they don’t want to own. I do, however, expect some cuts to Medicare. The best solution to out of control health care spending is probably some sort of price controls that would cover everyone. That is unlikely however.
I don’t think there will be entitlement cuts either, at least none that would affect beneficiaries.
he’ll ask for a clean bill on the debt ceiling, but there will be so such thing on the sequester. There never was going to be a clean sequester. Chopping entitlements was always part of the deal.
Oh, goody — austerity. Going over the “fiscal cliff” would have been preferable. At least that wouldn’t have touched “entitlements” and raised a lot more in revenue.
Considering that Romney won the >$90,000 income vote 52% to 44% and those same voters would have been instrumental in saddling us with a suckass House, they needed a lesson in elections have consequences. But no — once again, they pay no price.
I like the idea of the middle class tax cuts now being off the table in advance of the sequester debate. That hostage has been taken from them. h/t Deaniac. I also think that Wall Street mauled the GOP Congress and told them to stop this nonsense and get the deal done.
Don’t we get to stay perpetually angry as a mirror to the teatards?
Some of the fine print from Matt Stoller – Eight Corporate Subsidies in the Fiscal Cliff Bill …
Subsidizing Mitt’s NASCAR owner friends. Too bad elections don’t have consequences for the wealthy.
The man’s brain is an omelette at this point. A cooked omelette.
For those interested, here’s the
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll659.xml“>Roll Call votes.
At least one disappointment.
Wonder how many of those Democrats that voted tonight for the Bush tax cuts did the same in 2001.
Here’s the fixed linky.
Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.
Thanks — memo to self, proof the preview.
There’s not much glow to bask in if you ask me. A transient win of seeing Republicans break the Hastert rule that nobody will care about in a week for a deal that most people feel uneasy about? If that’s glow, than I guess you can bask all you want. I’m drinking a beer right now wondering if I’ll be paying Social Security taxes for a program the President cuts in a “tough choice” deal he has to make after drawing sixteen more lines in the sand next time around.
I don’t agree. The precedent set by this- not to mention the open split in the leadership- will make restoration of parliamentary-style discipline in the GOP caucus a lot harder. Let’s keep throwing them wedges and anchors.
I am reading comments on a lot of blogs — and literally laughing. I don’t know which is funnier, the hand-wringing on the right or the hand-wringing on the left.
The abuse of Obama on the left truly boggles the mind. For many of these people, what just happened is the supreme culmination of Obama’s “caving”. It’s time to recognize that not just Tea Partiers, but some lefties, live in their own parallel universe of ignorance and self-delusion.
Am I missing something? To me, this is the biggest Democratic congressional victory since the 1994 budget fight, except that congressional Democrats have been in a much direr situation over the last four years than they ever were during the Clinton presidency, and the consequences here will be wider ranging and more damaging to the Republicans.
So the president will negotiate over the debt ceiling then according to you; which makes going over the cliff preferable to this deal. Good to know that he lied to those Senators who voted for this bill. And as noted, Harkin voted against it.
the sequester, more like.
IMO, here’s how the Debt Ceiling is gonna go.
President : I want a clean debt ceiling bill.
The GOP:NO, we want cuts to entitlements.
President : I want a clean debt ceiling bill.
Other Democrats: Please put forth a detailed list of said entitlement cuts.
The GOP: No, we want the cuts, and you to put them forward.
President: Here’s the deal. You want entitlement cuts? RUN ON THEM IN 2014. IF you win on a platform of entitlement cuts, then we’ll talk in 2014. but, for now, give me my clean debt ceilling bill.
Add to that the same thing the President said repeatedly during this fiscal cliff process.
Pres: Look you ran up the tab and now you need to pay the bill.
That’s what boils my butt. I’d like to see to see the debt ceiling issue reframed. Congress won’t be voting not to raise the debt ceiling, they’ll be voting to welsh on the debts Congress incurred.
People are acting like this deal is bad because it’s the only leverage Obama will ever have.
Huh? So now the GOP is running the show?
Well, I can only speak for myself, but as one whose thinking was along those lines, I would say the fact that the Republican caucus has already split so dramatically- something I did not expect at all- changes that calculation significantly, in my opinion.
If you are worried that we will see cuts in entitlements two months from now, you are probably correct.
Bullshit! Cuts for thee but not for me? WTF!
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/01/eight-corporate-subsidies-in-the-fiscal-cliff-bill-from-goldm
an-sachs-to-disney-to-nascar.html
Cut out this first…savings…approx, 205 B.
Extricate your head from your backside.
Sorry for the A.G. style rant.
Does anyone have a link to the roll call?
Answering my own question:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll659.xml
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Let’s check on this two months from now and find out how steely the president is.