Speaking after winning a “fiscal cliff” victory, President Barack Obama vowed on Tuesday to avoid a repeat of last year’s divisive fight with Congress over an extension of the nation’s borrowing authority.
“While I will negotiate over many things, I will not have another debate with this Congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up,” Obama said in remarks in the White House.
Eighty-five Republicans joined with the Democrats to pass the deal last night, and that was 29 more than were needed. It wasn’t even close. When you consider that 16 Democrats voted no (something none of them would do on the debt ceiling) we have about a 45 vote cushion against failing to pay our bills on time.
There will be a different hostage this time. The hostage will be the whole federal budget and the GOP’s refusal to fix it without significant and painful cuts to entitlements. This battle was never avoidable. The president has never denied this. Here’s what he said on New Year’s Eve:
Keep in mind that just last month Republicans in Congress said they would never agree to raise tax rates on the wealthiest Americans. Obviously, the agreement that’s currently being discussed would raise those rates and raise them permanently. (Applause.)
But keep in mind, we’re going to still have more work to do. We still have deficits that have to be dealt with. We’re still going to have to think about how we put our economy on a long-term trajectory of growth, how we continue to make investments in things like education, things like infrastructure that help our economy grow.
And keep in mind that the threat of tax hikes going up is only one part of this so-called fiscal cliff that everybody has been talking about. What we also have facing us starting tomorrow are automatic spending cuts that are scheduled to go into effect. And keep in mind that some of these spending cuts that Congress has said will automatically go into effect have an impact on our Defense Department, but they also have an impact on things like Head Start. And so there are some programs that are scheduled to be cut that we’re using an axe instead of a scalpel — may not always be the smartest cuts. And so that is a piece of business that still has to be taken care of.
And I want to make clear that any agreement we have to deal with these automatic spending cuts that are being threatened for next month, those also have to be balanced — because remember, my principle has always been let’s do things in a balanced, responsible way. And that means that revenues have to be part of the equation in turning off the sequester, in eliminating these automatic spending cuts, as well as spending cuts.
Now, the same is true for any future deficit agreement. Obviously, we’re going to have to do more to reduce our debt and our deficit. I’m willing to do more, but it’s going to have to be balanced. We’re going to have to do it in a balanced, responsible way.
For example, I’m willing to reduce our government’s Medicare bills by finding new ways to reduce the cost of health care in this country. That’s something that we all should agree on. We want to make sure that Medicare is there for future generations. But the current trajectory of health care costs is going up so high we’ve got to find ways to make sure that it’s sustainable.
But that kind of reform has to go hand-in-hand with doing some more work to reform our tax code so that wealthy individuals, the biggest corporations can’t take advantage of loopholes and deductions that aren’t available to most of the folks standing up here — aren’t available to most Americans. So there’s still more work to be done in the tax code to make it fairer, even as we’re also looking at how we can strengthen something like Medicare.
Now, if Republicans think that I will finish the job of deficit reduction through spending cuts alone — and you hear that sometimes coming from them, that sort of after today we’re just going to try to shove only spending cuts down — well — (laughter) — shove spending cuts at us that will hurt seniors, or hurt students, or hurt middle-class families, without asking also equivalent sacrifice from millionaires or companies with a lot of lobbyists, et cetera — if they think that’s going to be the formula for how we solve this thing, then they’ve got another thing coming. That’s not how it’s going to work.
The key here is the word “revenues.” Don’t think for a moment that entitlements will be off the table. They won’t, and they never were going to be off the table. What the president is saying is that we are not done trimming the hair of the rich, and that is going to be the price for any cuts in entitlements. So, if you are an entitlement absolutist, you are going to be disappointed. Probably, you are going to be angry. But the president needs more revenue and the only way to get it is as part of a deal that is balanced. He couldn’t force the Republicans to acknowledge that this time around, but their will and unity has now been broken.
Frosting on Boehner’s stale cake is that the leadership didn’t take up the Sandy Bill at midnight. The howls from both sides of the aisle will be the last visual of this Congress. Incredibly fitting.
We have nobility in America-the excessively, obscenely rich-and the rest of us.
We are no better than Medieval France and England.
They didn’t have cable TV.
No, I am not happy.
I will depend on those entitlements in my old age. As will a lot of other people.
I am not happy at all, which is why my retirement plans remains “buy can of gasoline, self-immolate on steps of capitol hill”.
Adding, they are called entitlements because I paid for them. So will I get a refund for the benefits I paid for but won’t receive?
Not entitlements, but earned benefits that you contributed to. Strictly speaking, that’s what SS retirement income and Medicare Part A are. We accepted the deal and paid for it, and now they have the audacity to insist that those benefits need to be cut because the crooks and idiots in DC can’t figure out how to generate the necessary tax revenues to fund the MIC and other pork projects.
When do we the people stand up and collectively say “No way?”
You pay health, auto, home and other insurance to protect you from an extreme event you do not have the resources for. I’m sure every time a home burns, you see an auto accident or any other such event you walk away happy you have insurance. Its the same here.
I think it depends on what is cut or changed. Obviously, anything less generous is less generous, but there are differences in degree. We had a Tea Party wave election just over two years ago, and that election still has consequences. The president is doing his best Zorro imitation on their asses, but there are limits to how much they can be ignored, marginalized and disempowered. Getting Boehner to break with them is his greatest victory yet.
“Getting Boehner to break with them is his greatest victory yet.” I agree. That breaking with them means that a significant number of republicans were no longer willing to have their careers be hostage to the tea baggers, at least this one time, is a big deal. Potentially having a “get shit done” coalition between this bunch and the Dems is huge.
My plan is work until I keel over on the shop floor and die. I’ll name some actual names: Don Paisano (80+), Dan Mekuly, Sean Campbell, and some unknown night shift mail handler who died in his car after punching out and wasn’t found for two days. That’s a lot for the seven years I’ve worked here.
You can’t trust the government to pay SS or their own pensions (except Congressional and Presidential pensions), so resign yourself to work unril you die as if this were 1813 instead of 2013.
From what I understand in 1813 health was so bad (LIA) it mostly wasn’t a problem or you sponged off your kids (which is one reason why you had lots of kids). Sponging off the kids seems to be the wave of the future once again. Which is fine, I don’t begrudge parents doing that, but I just wonder if that’s possible on the jobs available.
Don’t think we could stand living with any of the kids, but we do have an upwardly-mobile niece on the west coast… Hmmm…
Forgot Jim Farley (70+) which I’m ashamed of because I know his daughter and he never failed to ask me how I was feeling.
Stop moving the goal posts, it’s getting tiring.
Does anyone have info on why the repubs wouldn’t vote on sandy relief? The right is saying it’s because it was larded with extraneous pork, but I haven’t seen any actual reporting on that.
The right is saying it’s because it was larded with extraneous pork, but I haven’t seen any actual reporting on that.
Do you realize how much pork was in the stupid “fiscal cliff” avoiding deal?
Exactly.
Darrell Issa saying that the pork included help for Alaska fisheries, a new roof for the Smithsonian. Rep Peter King on MSNBC is on fire angry and corrected Issa by saying that the lard had been taken out in the House Bill.
Also probably blaming Christie for Romney’s loss (R$’s loss couldn’t have anything to do with the Kenyan, or all the volunteers working on GOTV)
“The right is saying it’s because it was larded with extraneous pork, but I haven’t seen any actual reporting on that. “
More likely, it isn’t loaded with enough pork to get gop support.
Stoller itemized the extraneous pork. It was specific extensions of tax cuts to certain classes of businesses. Likely also the farm bill provisions contained pork, no doubt some of it inserted by the very people who are now criticizing the bill.
The bill is 157 pages, but given the way that bills are written it does not take too long to scan and get some idea of what is going on. The tax sections are the most difficult because they make reference to existing law without saying what that is, meaning that it takes a tax lawyer to figure out the implications.
Just skimming the table of contents portion of the bill will give you an idea of what has been larded in.
Pork here:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/01/eight-corporate-subsidies-in-the-fiscal-cliff-bill-from-goldm
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#2, the railroads, at least gets us infrastructure improvements. But at first glance, the rest look pretty appalling to me.
If we had money to give away, we could have given greater tax cuts to the “middle class”. Paychecks that are 80-100 smaller per month because the payroll tax holiday is gone is a really big deal to a lot of people. Me included.
It’s the last throes of the politics of resentment.
I agree as those were my thoughts last evening when Boehner ended the session after the Fiscal Cliff vote, even though North Eastern reps of both parties were having a fit.
I later read, either in the comments here or over at Balloon-Juice, that when asked about it, a Boehner aide redirected the question to Cantor. Perhaps that was part of the arrangement between the Speaker and the Majority Leader?
yes, some directed against Christie
Be a little more specific about what you mean by an entitlement absolutist. Because just of itself it sounds like just a perjorative to shout down those who disagree with materially making the lives of the poor and elderly worse than they are allowing the wealthy to continue to prosper from entitlement programs.
Because there are lots of folks your age making arrangements to take in their parents because they are not making it now economically. There are lots of seniors who cannot use Medicare for preventive and primary care because (1) the deductibles and co-pays are unaffordable, (2) large medical systems engage in creative medical coding for fees to ensure the highest return, with the patient having a higher co-pay because it is calculated as a percentage of the allowable cost, and (3) providers take Medicare only as a partial payment with the remainder of their fee being billed to the patient in addition to co-pays.
So exactly what will not be labeled as entitlement absolutism. Is insisting on eliminating the cap on payroll taxes entitlement absolutism? How about asking Congress what they personally are going to sacrifice as entitlements? Or the military brass?
Exactly:
My BIL is a retired colonel for many years whose sole retirement is his military pension and his medical coverage via Tri-Care, and, now, of course, via Tri-Care and Medicare. On Christmas Eve, viewing a Ford Fusion ad, he asked me about the car, and said he’d consider buying it when he wouldn’t consider a GM car or Chrysler one, since only Ford hadn’t taken a bailout. I responded that Ford may not have taken one, but they would have had a hard time surviving without the suppliers to GM and Chrysler who would have gone under with them.
BIL is nice guy, more liberal than most, but the acceptance of the evilness of government “bailouts” is a source of great consternation and frustration on my part.
Funny thing about Ford. They survived, because they mortgaged every piece of land they owned for the cash to stay afloat. So they weren’t in great shape either, they just hit their inflection point a year or two earlier.
I agree with the poster above. What is an entitlement absolutist? Someone who thinks the President is stupid to put cuts on the table for Republicans when they aren’t willing or brave enough to put cuts on the table themselves? A few folks I work with–who I never talk about politics with–were not happy whatsoever when they heard about Obama’s COLA gambit. I got in a conversation with one guy I barely know who spent the whole time bitching about not voting for Romney but getting Romney anyway. With luck, Democrats in Congress are getting tired of “tough choices” and are letting Obama know that Social Security and Medicare are off the table as deficit reduction proposals as far as Democrats are concerned. Let the Republicans propose the cuts and soil their hands themselves.
The Republicans did put the Chained CPI on the table. Not Obama, Boehner.
This was widely reported back at the beginning of December. The NYT ran a big graphic showing the two sides’ opening offers. Boehner’s included Chained CPI for Social Security COLAs; Obama’s did not.
This is a remarkably widespread misunderstanding, and I can’t understand why.
http://www.politicususa.com/bernie-sanders-rips-john-boehner-calling-cuts-disabled-veterans-benefits
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The Narrative is a harsh mistress.
I’ve seen people who are generally pro-administration make this mistake, too. If it’s someone’s narrative, it’s managed to take over.
Deadbeat Dads, that’s what the Republicans remind me of. Selfish and unwilling to get the revenue needs to support the family, to feed the kids, to pay for college, to clean up their polluted messes. The metaphor that “the family needs to tighten its belt” is the wrong one. They are deadbeat dads.
I can not stress this enough Social Security and Medicare are not entitlement programs. Except for certain orphans under Social Security and disabled people under Medicare under draconian rules you do not just recieve benefits. You have to pay into the system(see Medicare. gov & SSA.gov). One of the consequences of not paying is you can’t get into Socail Security; see public employees of Chicago, Ill who gave it up for guaranteed pensions).
If you understand this then any changes made to them should be addressed as stand alone issues not tied to the Federal budget at all. The only relation is the fact the Federal government borrows the money and gives SSA an IOU. so please stop talking about negotiations over the budget mean “entitlement” reform because there are no entitlements under Social Security and Medicare.
This President Obama is President Nixon analogy is pure BS.
What “entitlement” means to Congress is that they do not have the power to control the costs by reducing appropriations. That is, it is non-discretionary.
What “entitlement” means to Republicans is a program that makes Democrats popular. The attack on entitlements is just another effort like the attack on unions and the voter restrictions on Hispanic and African-Americans to reduce the size of the Democratic vote and create the long-awaited permanent conservative Republican majority. Which is why they want the Democrats to do their dirty work. Look how they skittered when a leak from the Senate reported that their first ask of Biden was chained-CPI on Social Security.
What critics of the President are asking is for him to negotiate so as to make the Republicans own the the entitlement cuts they propose. When Republicans have to own the consequences, they either back down or lose in 2014. Yes, they are slippery precisely because the commercial media tilt toward the GOP. (Expect Joe LIeberman and Kent Conrad to be frequent guests pushing “entitlement reform”.)
The ease with which commentators even here accept that Social Security retirement benefits are an “entitlement” drives me nuts. It demonstrates either an agenda to bamboozle the public to accept benefit cuts or ignorance of how the program works. It’s never contributed a penny to the deficit and is actuarially sound for decades to come. It stands on its own.
However, we should also be precise and acknowledge that Medicare Parts B, C, and D are entitlements that can be accessed if the beneficiary can afford the premium, deductibles, and co-pays. The extraordinarily high cost of medical care in the US is the main reason why Medicare costs and the out-of-pocket costs for beneficiaries are so high. More affordable for a federal government that blows hundreds of billions of dollars on the MIC than the lowest income beneficiaries. But as long as we accept that health insurance is integral to medical care, this can’t be fixed.
On Medicare Part C is a medicare advantage plan where the A, B & D parts are combined and the health benefits managed by an insurance company in a defined geographic area.
As to part A you work 40 quarters of work to obtain it. You can excercise it past age 65, which many private companies force you to do if they continue to offer you health insurance.
Part B is a premium you pay to the medicare system for your doctor, lab, rehab, etc care
Part D, prescription drug coverage you have to purchase just like you would auto insurance unless you receive it from another source such as a union, retirement or military plan(s).
So you have to contribute to get in and contribute when you take advantage of it. Because of the costs of medical care you can purchase medicare supplement plans that help you pay you deductibles and co-pays. so at all times you have to pay to receive benefits. A true entitlement is when you receive a benefit and do not contribute.
You’re absolutely right about this. An entitlement program, at least in how its taught in public finance courses, is a program funded in part by the federal government which will match funding by state or other sources. The benefit of an entitlement program is that by matching the funds, the federal government essentially halves the cost of providing such a program for state governments, resulting in more such spending than would be the case otherwise. The “entitlement” means that a state government is entitled to reimbursement by the Federal government for each dollar it budgets to a qualified federal program. The term, however, was hijacked years ago in pundit land to convey the notion of low-income “takers” being entitled to government payments as individuals.
Many, if not most, of the entitlement programs had been already converted to block grant programs by the end of the 1990’s. As a result, the costs to state governments of providing the same welfare services have increased dramatically, so states have felt correspondingly more pressure to cut expenditures in response ever since. (And Paul Ryan has been pushing for the largest entitlement program, Medicaid, to be converted to a block grant as well for that reason.)
But Social Security and Medicare are self-funded, pay-as-you-go programs, and outside of the rhetoric machine they aren’t considered entitlement programs at all. They’re not funded by tax revenues (if anything, arguably, ever really is) and Obama really should separate those issues from budget negotiations, or at least he should be talking that way instead of conceding the right’s incorrect assumptions about how the world works. I’m not sure that he even understands this himself, however. And the economic advisers who did are no longer in his administration.
Not exactly. Sorry for being a stickler about details.
Social Security — retirement, disability, widows and orphans benefits — has always been funded through payroll taxes (zero income taxes) and was pay-go until 1982. At that time, the contribution rate was increased to create a significant increase to the trust fund which would prevent any shock to the system when Boomers retired. The revenue streams and trust fund have worked as designed.
Medicare Part A is also funded through a payroll tax. If US medical costs had increased at a rate close to aggregate inflation, this program would also be in good shape.
(There are other details that we should also understand but until people can wrap their brains around the basic concepts of these programs, it’s not worth the effort to detail them.)
The other parts of Medicare coverage are funded through general revenues (income taxes). As such, it’s an entitlement program as contrasted with an earned benefit that workers pay into. Nothing wrong IMHO with a publicly financed health insurance program, but it should be understood for what it is, an entitlement program for seniors and disabled individuals.
Also:
In his speeches, Obama parrots the same incorrect assumptions that the right does. Considering the many, including Paul Krugman, have been hammering him since at least 2007 on how Social Security operates and he still doesn’t get it, we’re left to conclude that he either doesn’t want to get it or is too stupid or lazy to bother.
Obama is neither stupid nor lazy. He is to the right of center, but then being an old man I remember when the political spectrum had some sort of relationship with the will of the people.
Okay — then he’s a liar. One’s socio/economic/political positions do not trump the truth. Social Security has nothing to do with the deficit, it’s not going bankrupt, and if it ever needs to be tweaked, that’s decades from now.
However, personally, I don’t think he understands it — haven’t seen anyone claim that his grasp of mathematics and economics is that of a smart man.
Why should Obama “vowing” something carry more weight? There’s never been one thing he hasn’t negotiated on with Congress.
Because, while he man “negotiate” in public about them, he never actually agrees to them.
See Chained CPI.
Obama did say, in the same sentence, I believe, that while he is open to negotiation on most things, he is not open to negotiation on this. So at least he acknowledged his usual style and then laid out his intention not to follow his own style this time.
We shall see.
He said the same thing about the $250,000 tax line. He said it very loudly, repeatedly and strongly. Thrown over the side. Maybe that was the right decision, but it means there’s no rational basis to believe him when says “I won’t negotiate about X.”
If he didn’t negotiate over it in the first place, there wouldn’t be a fracking sequester to deal with.
Fantastic. But totally irrelevant.
Josh Marshall has some good thoughts here: Remains the Same.
Pierce thinks this was a last minute improvisation that merely reflects the terminal dysfunction of congress.
There is much truth in that but I think what he is forgetting to ask is why, if the republican caucus is ungovernable and intransigent, did they tolerate a minority majority measure? What political reasons do they have for allowing such a thing to happen? And whatever those reasons are, why would we suppose that the next time such a negotiation takes place the teaparty caucus will be totally immune to the factors that made them heel this time? People might hate the deal, but it’s unclear that Obama offered much concession after his initial bid to 400K, which happened at a time when the GOP refused to countenance even a 1 million threshold. He just waited them out and made it very clear that they would own the consequences of their intransigence. At the same time he expertly took leadership on the issue and slyly delegated Biden to close the deal. What’s to stop a similar strategy next time around? There was always going to be another legislative conflict. It seems like people are partly dis appointed in the deal because they expected Obama to singlehandedly and for all time break the teaparty.
People say that with the tax issue gone there is no leverage. Really? Didn’t they just delay the sequester? So doesn’t that mean that favored defense programs will be cut, which the teaparty hates? Isn’t it possible that Obama has actually improved his negotiating position?
This article argues that the deal means that a new debt-ceiling agreement is more likely.
Note the term, “diluted”. In other words, this article forcasts good news because defense will not be cut “as much”. Think about that. But here Obama has set it up so that defense contractors, a huge base of the organized party, will be absolutely crushed by the sequester. The GOP can either agree to another minority-majority bill, or they can be ripped apart by strife between the moneymen and the hatchetmen.
Exactolutey. Follow the money — the defense contractors will ensure that the repugs cut a deal.
Wow. It’s as if you and I read two different articles. Pierce brilliantly described exactly what we’ve had to endure from DC in the past few days.
And from his observations, he concludes a reality that some of us also see:
What we’re witnessing is The Shock Doctrine” in slow motion — with members of Congress playing musical chairs for their daily role assignments of good cop/bad cop.
What we’re witnessing is The Shock Doctrine” in slow motion
Right, very, very, very slow motion. Why, the implementation of Chained CPI and an increase in the Medicare age are being adopted so incredibly slowly that I can’t even see them happening. Again. Just like in 2011.
People say that with the tax issue gone there is no leverage. Really? Didn’t they just delay the sequester? So doesn’t that mean that favored defense programs will be cut, which the teaparty hates? Isn’t it possible that Obama has actually improved his negotiating position?
Meanwhile, the Republicans will not have the expiration of middle-class tax cuts, the expiration of unemployment insurance, or the expiration of green energy tax credits to hang over Obama’s heads during the next round of negotiations.
They’ve lost quite a bit of leverage as well.
Cutting entitlement spending is one thing; cutting entitlement benefits in another.
The $700 billion from the Medicare Advantage subsidies were a cut to entitlements. Means-testing Medicare premiums would be a cut to entitlements, but neither of those would be cuts to entitlement benefits.
Anyway, I’m not worried. The Medicare lobby throws around more weight than an Atlas rocket. I expect we’ll see the same entitlement cuts go on and off the table that we’ve seen the last two times.
What’s coming? How about what we’ve already lost?
After nearly 20 years of protections for women, the Violence Against Women Act has been wiped out. It is no more. And it apparently died with a whimper, because I haven’t received even a single email message asking me to rally behind anything related to that.
Letting the Violence Against Women Act die is criminal, and so is doing nothing help victims of Hurricane Sandy. What the hell* is wrong with these people? This is seriously depressing.
*because this is Booman’s place, I did not use the word I really wanted to use.
It will be brought back up in the next congress, from scratch. But, for now, it has lapsed, along with important funding.