In a recent post supposedly about the McAuliffe election in Virginia titled Get a Brain, Morans, Booman assiduously climbs to new depths of middle class, leftiness, suburbanist entitlement bullshit.
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I keep hearing that the people of Appalachia prize self-reliance and personal liberty, but I also keep seeing statistics that they have a level of reliance on federal anti-poverty programs that is comparable to our country’s worst ghettoes.
It’s like a whole region has been conditioned to say “Keep your government hands off my Medicare, I need this scooter to get my food stamps.”
I’m tired of listening to their hypocritical bullshit. It’s long past time that these morans get a brain.
The 22 or so comments that follow mostly take the same tone.
Why those lowlife, welfare-sucking, redneck moron assholes!!! Why on earth would they not vote for Terry McAuliffe!!! How dare they!!!
Entitlement to the max!!! Use the “moron” epithet carefully, fools. Ask not for whom the word tolls. It tolls for thee, motherfuckers!!!
Read on.
Go read Joe Bageant if you really want to understand what happened in Appalachia. Who’s he? You willfully ignorant, self-indulgent middle class assholes!!! It’s not as if he was hard to find on the net. For years.
Bageant was originally raised in Winchester, Virginia. He left Winchester and worked as a journalist and editor. In 2001, Bageant moved back to Winchester.[1]
In “Deer Hunting With Jesus: Dispatches From America’s Class War” Bageant discusses how Democrats have lost the political support of poor rural whites and how the Republican Party has convinced these individuals to “vote against their own economic self-interest.” The book is mainly centered on his hometown, Winchester.
In 2010, Bageant published a similarly themed book, “Rainbow Pie: A Redneck Memoir.” Bageant used his extended family’s post WW II years experience to describe the social hierarchy in the United States of America. The book examines the post-war journey of 22 million rural Americans into the cities, where they became, the author argues, the foundation of a permanent white underclass and comprise much of today’s heartland “red state” voters.
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During the last years of his life, Bageant lived in Mexico. He had been living in Ajijic, Mexico where he wrote “Rainbow Pie,” when he learned that he had a fast growing and inoperable cancer.[2] On January 4, 2011, Bageant announced on his web site that he had been “struck down by an extremely serious form of cancer” which was inoperable and was unable to engage in correspondence or his usual work, but hoped to be able to resume them in the future.[3]
After Joe died, his Australian publisher asked Bageant’s literary executor, Ken Smith, to select and edit about 80,000 words worth of Joe’s essays. This book was published in November 2011 as “Waltzing at the Doomsday Ball: The Best of Joe Bageant”. Upon its original publication, this posthumous collection was only available in Australia, New Zealand and South Africa where, according to Smith, it sold reasonably well.[2] According to Smith: “no American publisher is yet interested in a book by a redneck socialist — and that says a lot about American culture and the US book business.”[2]
I repeat: “…no American publisher is yet interested in a book by a redneck socialist — and that says a lot about American culture and the US book business.” It says a great deal about the aims of the Permanent Government and its media satraps as well.
Joe…he was a friend of mine…treated these broken people as human beings. He didn’t call them schoolyard bully names…”You morons!!!” He understood that they had been taken off by the same monstrous Permanent Government that has waged war on most of the rest of humanity for 50+ years,. The Kissingers, the Bushes, the Reagans and Romneys of this world. And yes, the Clintons and Obamas too.
These white rural people want to work, just like inner city minority people want to work. In the ’80s and ’90s the Permanent Government sold American labor down the river to minimum wage foreign workers because the profit margins were higher. Way higher. Ross Perot had it right all the way back in 1992.
To those of you in the audience who are business people, pretty simple: If you’re paying $12, $13, $14 an hour for factory workers and you can move your factory South of the border, pay a dollar an hour for labor, hire young — let’s assume you’ve been in business for a long time and you’ve got a mature work force — pay a dollar an hour for your labor, have no health care — that’s the most expensive single element in making a car — have no environmental controls, no pollution controls and no retirement, and you don’t care about anything but making money, there will be a giant sucking sound going south.
So we — if the people send me to Washington the first thing I’ll do is study that 2,000-page agreement and make sure it’s a two-way street. One last part here — I decided i was dumb and didn’t understand it so I called the Who’s Who of the folks who’ve been around it and I said, “Why won’t everybody go South?” They say, “It’d be disruptive.” I said, “For how long?” I finally got them up from 12 to 15 years. And I said, “well, how does it stop being disruptive?” And that is when their jobs come up from a dollar an hour to six dollars an hour, and ours go down to six dollars an hour, and then it’s leveled again. But in the meantime, you’ve wrecked the country with these kinds of deals. We’ve got to cut it out.
Ross Perot, 3-way debate w/Clinton and Bush, 1992
Perot was demonized by the Government Media Complex just as the Paulists are being demonized now, but his point stands for anyone with an ounce of common sense left.
Wake the fuck up.
The so-called “white conservative working class right” is just another bunch of ripped-off motherfuckers who are panicking and thus blindly lashing out at completely misunderstood groups of so-called “enemies.” Everybody is “the enemy” when you don’t have a decent education and you can’t get a job that will put sufficient food on the table for your children.
“A giant sucking sound…” The sound of their dreams and the dreams of their forebears vacating the premises.
Don’t call them “morons.” They are not high IQ clones…neither are most of us and neither were most of our ancestors…but they are some of the same people who built this country by the sweat of their brow for 300+ years. They are also potential allies if you know what you are doing.
Which you most obviously don’t.
There is an alliance coming though, Booman.
Watch.
An alliance between the disenfranchised of all races and cultures here in America.
Watch.
When it really finds its legs it is going to change everything!!!
Watch.
Meanwhile…wake the fuck up!!!
You’re next.
We are all “next.”
Bet on that as well.
AG
P.S. Rural Virginia people? They see through a glitz-encrusted suckup to power like McAuliffe in a country minute. They’ve been dealing with mortgage gougers and revenuers for generations. It’s the media-blinded middle class that’s voted him in. Shame on all of you. Shame!!!
Joe Bageant on Chelsea Clinton’s wedding:
And y’all jes’ keep on hyping them. Wake the fuck up!!!
Joe Bageant on your redneck demons.
i repeat:
“When the heartless American system is done reducing us to slobbering beer soaked zombies in the American labor gulag, your sweet ass is next.”
Don’t laugh, You are next!
Bet on it.
Unless of course you…
WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!
On the evidence so far?
Y’ain’t gonna.
Too bad.
You had yer chances. And you blew ’em.
RIP, Joe. You was right all along.
You was right all along.
Love ya, man.
Later…
AG
Bageant loses his argument right here:
Poor working class Latinos that are eligible to vote aren’t showing up for the GOP. They get that the GOP has never and will never give anything to the working class. It may be very slim pickings with Democrats but at least it’s still something.
Their white counterparts — most of whom enjoyed more economic privileges from the New Deal, Great Society, and tough unions and union leaders such as John L. Lewis — were only too quick to reject those that brought them to the dance. And while still grabbing for every buck from programs and institutions only liberals and socialists were able to construct, have been a reliable base for those hell bent on deconstruction. So reliable that around 1988 PoshLiberals began offering them the same deal. That horrifies the non-PoshLiberals, but we’re a freaking minority that struggle to do more than observe the poor GOP suckers voting for nothing but endorsement of their right to be racist, misogynist, Bible thumpers and poor DEM suckers occasionally getting a minimum wage raise.
If the only information I had to go on wrt to the values of Clinton and GWB were:
Or Jenna Bush’s much smaller and more private wedding at her parents’ “ranch,” I’d have to go with GWB. Public policy wise, Clinton gets a slight edge. But both are so gag worthy, that neither deserve the votes of anyone not in the top 10%.
What arrant bullshit, Marie.
#1-Joe wasn’t making an “argument.” He was just stating the facts of his life as he had lived it.
#2- You write:
First of all, it’s “Poor working class Latinos who are eligible to vote, not “that.” They are people, not objects. Language does not lie. I am willing to bet (on the strength of that weak sentence construction alone) that you do not intimately know any “working class Latinos.” Not really. Maybe as servants or waiters or groundskeepers, but not as human beings. I do. I have played latin music in NYC for almost 50 years. Tito Puente used to tell me that I was “Puerto Rican by injection.” (It’s a joke, just in case you are actually as stiff as you appear to be.) Most “working class Latinos” so deeply distrust government on all levels…w/good reason, considering their ongoing treatment here and the situations in their own countries that led them to go all in and take the plunge to come here in the first place…that they simply stay out of range when crooked PermaGov pols and their reps come a’knock-knock-knocking on their doors.
#3-You also write:
Did you even bother to read what Joe was writing? Where do the phrases “…a dinner of fried baloney and coffee after cold hours on the street corner.” and “…economic privileges from the New Deal, Great Society, and tough unions and union leaders such as John L. Lewis…” intersect in your granite-encrusted mind, woman?
Or…do you think that Joe was simply lying for effect? That writing on that level of brilliance and outrage just spews forth from low-level, lying media hustlers like the ones you have apparently been reading?
Wake the fuck up.
Step away from the media with your brains in the air.
Go take a load of laundry to the nearest working class laundromat…black, brown or beige…and get to know some real people. Y’might just learn something.
Unbelievable.
AG
You are grammatically correct, Arthur, but Marie was using a common mode of speaking. The “that” is a collective noun, admittedly incorrectly used. I doubt she had the intention you ascribe to her.
Yeah, for someone who seems to want to be the voice of the working stiff, the sudden insistence on using the Queen’s English seems a bit strange.
Also…
Something about this sentence seemed a bit on the offensive (as in an undercurrent of sexism) side (my emphasis added):
That did strike a note of discord. Time to apologize, Arthur.
“Marie” is generally considered to be a female name, right Don? Right, man? Is “woman” to be considered a derogatory word while “man” is not??
Not in my book it isn’t.
You?
Nice. Don.
Up to your usual level of subtlety, I see. “Commie.”
Wake the fuck up.
AG
“Intention” has nothing to do with it, Voice. What you say…consciously, so-called “unconsciously” or whatever…is what you get.
Be careful what you say.
You’ll have to live with it eventually.
Bet on it.
AG
I’d want to chew on it a moment, but Bageant does a decent job of describing something that Silva was apparently finding in her research (see that diary I posted a while back). If I take him at his “Redneck Marxist” word, he would never make for a reliable Paulbot, although I am sure a few would have tried to claim him. What he did manage during his all-too-brief life was to describe the frustration that a subset of working class leftists (and not the faux-left “progressive” variety) feel, and he intimately understands what it is like to be working class in the southern US highlands (Appalachia, the Ozarks, etc.). I could make rather similar observations just from my own neighborhood in my little corner of the region.
Back when he was alive, his writings were among my first-reads in the morning along with the cheap coffee I could afford. I think he hoped that there was enough overlap between his ideological leanings and those of the average center-left blog reader to spark some much-needed action. He undoubtedly died a disappointed man. This bio (an intro to one of the two books he wrote) is worth a read, to get a flavor of what he was about. One thing that he makes clear – for actual leftists who want to reconnect with the working stiffs of my region, and anywhere working stiffs can be found, we have a long row to hoe, after generations of neglect.
I agree.
AG
In 2012, Winchester incorporated city voted:
Obama 5094 49.5%
Romney 4946 48.0%
Other 256 2.5%
Surrounding Frederick County voted:
Obama 12,690 34.9%
Romney 22,858 63.8%
Other 846 2.3%
The city vote shows the evolution of Frederick into a bedroom community for folks commuting to the outer fringe of DC offices and businesses.
Lee County in extreme southwest Virginia is in coal country, has lost jobs and population–period. No offices to go clean, nowhere to go easily. Well, there’s Bristol.
Here’s their vote.
Obama 2583 26.91%
Romney 6847 71.34%
The third parties get interesting in Lee County.
Virgil Goode – Constitution Party – 67
Gary Johnson – Libertarian Party – 59
Jill Stein – Green Party – 26
Write-ins – 16
Here are the demographics:
96.3% White, 2.9% Black or African American, 0.2% Asian, 0.1% from other races, 0.7% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.
The median income for a household in the county was $29,889, and the median income for a family was $40,721. The per capita income for the county was $16,317. About 20.3 percent of families and 22.7 percent of the population were below the poverty line, including 30.1 percent of those under age 18 and 23.3 percent of those age 65 or over.
Median rent is $381/month. Median house value is $74,932. Median real estate property taxes are $416 a year. Around 67% are affiliated with a religious congregation: Pond View Church, Alvis Chapel, Belcher Chapel, Ball Chapel, Beech Grove Church, Bethel Church, Roller Chapel, Big Door Church, Rosedale Church
Occupations:
Male:
Driver/sales workers and truck drivers (9%)
Construction trades workers except carpenters, electricians, painters, plumbers, and construction laborers (5%)
Extraction workers (5%)
Electrical equipment mechanics and other installation, maintenance, and repair occupations including supervisors (5%)
Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (4%)
Vehicle and mobile equipment mechanics, installers, and repairers (4%)
Other management occupations except farmers and farm managers (4
Female:
Secretaries and administrative assistants (6%)
Preschool, kindergarten, elementary and middle school teachers (5%)
Other office and administrative support workers including supervisors (5%)
Nursing, psychiatric, and home health aides (5%)
Registered nurses (5%)
Cooks and food preparation workers (5%)
Cashiers (5%)
Origin of the 200-some foreign-born residents:
Pakistan (29%)
Germany (17%)
Brazil (12%)
China, excluding Hong Kong and Taiwan (11%)
United Kingdom (9%)
Austria (7%)
Philippines (6%)
Here’s an interesting statistic:
People in group quarters in Lee County, Virginia in 2000:
76 people in homes for the mentally retarded
49 people in nursing homes
44 people in local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups)
37 people in homes for the mentally ill
20 people in other noninstitutional group quarters
6 people in homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse
3 people in other group homes
People in group quarters in Lee County, Virginia in 2010:
1,486 people in federal prisons
184 people in nursing facilities/skilled-nursing facilities
36 people in residential treatment centers for adults
And this:
Deaths per 1000 population from 1990 to 1999: 12.3
Deaths per 1000 population from 2000 to 2006: 13.3
Persons enrolled in hospital insurance and/or supplemental medical insurance (Medicare) in July 1, 2003: 5,294 (3,459 aged, 1,835 disabled)
Population without health insurance coverage in 2000: 18%
Children under 18 without health insurance coverage in 2000: 12%
Lee County, Virginia
The local radio station is WSWV.
Harlan County, KY is the neighbor of Lee County to the north.
Just folks trying to raise their families and get by in a tough situation. And that’s much more typical of most of the population than Winchester.
As you say, Tarheel…
Winchester is getting gentrified. So nu? Joe was speaking pre-gentrification. The “morans” of whom Booman spoke so disrespectfully and without any compassion whatsoever are many of the same people who used to live in the newly gentrified areas. I have seen the same principle in action in NYC. The new, expensive areas of Harlem and Brooklyn/Queens are touted as Bloomberg’s success, but the only “success” he managed was to move poor people out of those areas and into equally bad if not worse living conditions in small towns and cities up and down the Hudson, out into Long Island and over the river into New Jersey.
White, struggling “Appalachia” is nationwide, Tarheel. Blackalachia, too, and Hispanalachia as well. What happens when all the gentrifiable neighborhoods, towns and cities are fully genrtiified? What then? What happens to all the non-“gents,” and what do they do when they are even poorer than they are now?
Joe pinned it.
One way or another…”your sweet ass is next.”
Bet on it.
No number of demographic surveys can change the facts of the matter. Get in a car and drive straight out from any newly gentrified city or neighborhood in America until you begin to see rough bars and rundown diners. There it is. Black, white, whatever. There it is. Get out of the car; go in and have a coffee or a beer. Go ahead. Tell them that they lost because they aren’t good enough to win, that it’s just how things work. I dare ya. You’d best go in strapped and ready to use it, though, ‘cuz they’re pissed off beyond belief, them “morons.” Not too dumb to realize that they’ve been had. Bet on that as well.
Wait ‘tll the dispossessed working class…white, black and Hispanic alike…realize that they have all been had equally and begin to ally with one another. UH oh!!! Better hope all’ s they do is vote, ‘cuz if that don’t work?
UH oh!!!
AG