I disagree with Steve M. on two points with regard to New Jersey Governor Chris Christie. Steve’s initial point is not related to the scandalous revelations that the four-day closure of lanes on the George Washington Bridge was indeed an act of pure vindictiveness aimed at the mayor of Fort Lee in retaliation for refusing to endorse Christie’s reelection. Steve’s initial point is that Christie blew any chance he may have had to win the Republican nomination when he decided to sign the DREAM Act.
Now, I think it’s potentially true that Christie cannot win the nomination with a record of moderation on immigration, but there isn’t really much point in seeking the nomination if you are only going to lose in the general election. Over the last few presidential cycles it has become clear that the Republicans are incapable of winning the general election with anything but the smallest of margins. Since 1988, the GOP candidate has lost the popular vote in every cycle except 2004. They have also lost the Electoral College in every cycle except 2004, unless you consider the 2000 results in Florida to be an accurate representation of the will of Floridians that year. Even in 2004, if Ohio had gone the other way, John Kerry would have carried the College. With states like Virginia, New Mexico, Colorado, and Nevada trending more and more blue, the GOP simply cannot afford to nominate someone who isn’t a moderate on immigration. If I am advising Chris Christie on a presidential run, I have to tell him that his only chance to actually become president is to position himself for the general election. Signing the DREAM Act could allow him to change the electoral map, and if it costs him a chance to win the nomination, so be it. It isn’t worth trying to win the other way.
The second difference I have with Steve, is that he thinks the revelations about the George Washington Bridge that have come out today are not a smoking gun.
The revelation today in the bridge scandal is “that one of the governor’s top aides was deeply involved in the decision to choke off [Fort Lee]’s access to the bridge,” according to emails — evidence that this was a political vendetta against a mayor who wouldn’t endorse Christie. Yeah, but if there’s never a smoking gun linking Christie directly, people who want to dismiss it will say it was the aide’s fault. Aides can be fired. This still seems as if it will be contained sooner or later.
In this case, it’s not that there is evidence that Chris Christie directed Bridget Ann Kelly to close the bridge. It’s that it is now clear that Christie has been lying about what happened for months and months. In the case of Watergate, the crimes were worse than the cover-up, but the reverse is the case here. Closing a bridge as petty revenge is kind of ugly, but it’s actually not much of a big deal in the context of New Jersey politics, which are always played with clubs and baseball bats. But, prolonged and extensive prevarication and elaborate lying about an issue destroys your credibility. This cannot all be laid at the feet of an overeager staffer. Bridget Anne Kelly serves as the governor’s deputy chief of staff, and she directed David Wildstein of the Port Authority to close lanes on the bridge: “Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee.”
We know that she initiated the closure, possibly on her own initiative, possibly not. But we also know that Christie decided to cover up the role of his office and to deny any knowledge about the closures. And the coverup has been extensive.
Other top Christie associates mentioned in or copied on the email chain, all after the top New York appointee at the authority ordered the lanes reopened, include David Samson, the chairman of the agency; Bill Stepien, Christie’s re-election campaign manager and the newly appointed state GOP chairman; and Michael Drewniak, Christie’s spokesman.
Christie has previously said that no one in his staff or campaign was involved in the lane closings, and he has dismissed questions about political retribution by joking that he moved the traffic cones himself.
Everyone on that email chain knew that the governor’s office had ordered the closures. Christie’s credibility in New Jersey has been destroyed, even though most people didn’t really care about the lane closures.
How does that translate to the national stage?
I think a good precedent is to look at how Sarah Palin’s destroyed credibility in Alaska undermined her, led to her ultimate resignation, and finished her as a politician. If you are weak at home, you have no foundation to build on.
If this takes Christie down I’m going to breathe a big sigh of relief. He is the only one of those GOP fools that has/had a chance in November.
November 2016, that is.
I’ve never believed it wouldn’t take Christie down, but had trouble explaining to friends why I think that – clarified by this thread, however. Most issues are behind the scenes, they may be bad, may be career breaking, whatever. but the traffic standstill at Fort Lee impacts all citizens in the region and everyone else can relate because everyone else drives through Fort Lee to get to the GWB. It’s an abuse of power against the citizens/ voters as much as against the mayor of Ft Lee.
Yup. Every citizen – left, right, and center – can agree that they hate being stuck in traffic. For a politician to deliberately cause a major traffic snarl just to exact some petty revenge? That’s just awful. And if they are able to connect some kind of traffic accident/injury to this, it will get even worse for Christie.
I hope you’re right. Really hope New Jersey’s citizens believe Christie’s fingerprints are all over it and that they hold him accountable.
I don’t see any way out for him. It’s clear he knew about this move and probably ok’ed it.
Per TPM, he’s now apparently trying to throw his staffers under the bus. I think that’s a bad decision borne of panic. Makes him look cowardly in addition to lying; refuses to take any responsibility, even just for the fact that the buck stops with him.
Crisis reveals character; as many predicted, Christie’s first real electoral crisis reveals him to be both a bully and a coward.
evidently someone also ridiculed the kids stuck on school busses – someone emailed “I feel sorry for the kids” someone (Wildstein) replied “they’re the children of Buono [dem gov candidate] voters”
that will not play well, everyone can relate to that and feel sorry for the kids and their parents (as pointed out on tpm and other threads]
correction – Wildstein? not sure who replied, I think it was Wildstein
maybe she would’ve died if 9/11 had gotten there on time but 3 minutes is an eternity when your heart has stopped beating
A four day smoking- not just an hour of rush on one day: 4 days!
Plenty of time fpr Christie to get to the bottom of the problem. He was the bottom, so he covered up.
Put another way: the traffic jam inconvenienced people who voted for Christie.
It’s doubtful that Ms.Kelly would have taken it upon herself to close all but one lane on the world’s busiest bridge. I think that most folks will recognize that even if Christie’s order is not directly documented.
Making it almost impossible for first responders to act is pretty bad even if the coverup is worse from the point of view of elections.
If he didn’t order it she certainly felt that her boss would approve of the general idea. Otherwise, why would she be so comfortable ordering it?
Will she be the female version of G Gordon Liddy?
Why do you think no one in NJ cares about the lane closings per se or that this is usual for NJ politics. We live every day with traffic issues. It’s something everyone can relate to. And whatever politics with baseball bats goes on, most of it doesn’t impact the daily life of all the citizens getting to work or getting their children to school. your assessment of this re: the person in the street is wrong.
Have you ever tried crossing the GWB, either to or from NYC, and been stuck there for 2+ hours? I have. It’s not pretty. No one wants to be stuck there. And to know that the back-up was deliberately done? I think you’re wrong.
Right. This is a nitty-gritty issue. It’s analogous to Bilandic’s career-ending failure to plow the snow in Chicago in 1979 and some of the e-mails suggest that was Christie’s plan for Mayor Sokolich.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/christie-aide-bridge-documents
One correction. The snow crews were out, but Bilandic’s fatal error was listening to his wife’s pleas to not cut his Florida vacation short. He should have taken the first available plane or train back and established himself in a command post sending out press releases. Instead homeowners shoveled a mountain of snow while thinking of their Mayor on a beach in Florida.
yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying. I’ve spent years trying to devise routes to use under various traffic conditions as has everyone who drives around here.
to clarify: yes, we live with traffic issues every day; we expend enormous amount of brain cells figuring out what to do under the various adverse conditions. to learn that a traffic standstill that lasted days and was deliberate, on the first week of school and with upcoming major holidays – that is enraging to citizens; it’s not NJ politics as usual.
I think a good precedent is to look at how Sarah Palin’s destroyed credibility in Alaska undermined her, led to her ultimate resignation, and finished her as a politician.
That didn’t finish her as a politician. What finished her as a politician was her inability to utter a coherent off-the-cuff sentence and her unwillingness to open a damn briefing book once in a while so she could actually learn about an issue on more than a soundbite level before mouthing off about it. Oh, that and being too interested in easy TV/book money to run a real campaign for anything. If she weren’t lazy and incurious and stupid, Troopergate would have been a minor nuisance on her way to electoral success at least in GOP primaries or red/reddish states (e.g., I think she could easily have won statewide office in Arizona afterbuying a house there).
What did her in wasn’t that she is stupid (incurious is a feature of not being bright) or lazy (stupid people that succeed without really trying never learn to be go-getters), it’s that she is too stupid to recognize that she’s stupid. The incurious, lazy, and stupid GWB did very well in politics because he was just smart enough to follow the dictates of Rove, Cheney, Hughes, and assorted others.
Good point.
Wouldn’t be too sure about that. Highly unlikely that this abuse of power is an isolated event among Christie and his cronies. Just as the rifling through the records of Daniel Ellsberg’s psychiatrist wasn’t a one-off. Where does Christie’s hurricane Sandy charity stand? What have the federal Sandy relief dollars purchased? Then there’s Xanadu. Doesn’t help progressive politics that half the NJ DEM pols are as rotten as Christie. Amazing that a decent Democrat, such as Bradley and Lautenberg, ever manages to break out from the machines and win statewide office.
From the article:
“”Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee,” Bridget Anne Kelly, one of three deputies on Christie’s senior staff, wrote to David Wildstein, a top Christie executive at the Port Authority, on Aug. 13, about three weeks before the closures. Wildstein, the official who ordered the closures and who resigned last month amid the escalating scandal, wrote back: “Got it.””
I don’t know about you, but this tells me that this was not the first time closing the bridge lanes was discussed. There obviously were discussions before this exchange about what they were going to do if they didn’t get cooperation from the Ft. Lee mayor.
As bad as this is, I don’t think they have gotten to the bottom of this yet.
nice to hear. glad that NYTimes and Wiesnewski are on this.
there’s that “lack of empathy” thing again.
And interestingly, I have none for Christie and his self-inflicted wounds.
Here’s how this is going to play out…
On one hand various Christie underlings…in reverse order of importance, of course…will fall on their swords in an effort to protect both Christie and themselves. Refusing to do so would likely bring retribution down upon them in the form of closed state-level PermaGov revolving doors and the permanent end to their long sought after careers as NJ political grifters of one stripe or another. It will be a delaying action punctuated by fairly long periods of inaction…one article described the Port Authority’s refusal to answer the Ft Lee mayor’s questions about the initial traffic tie-up as “radio silence”…as the NJ political machines (RatPub and DemRat both…they are all on the same take to one degree or another) play lowball/slowball as long as they can get away with doing so. If they succeed for a long enough period of time the PacMan-like news cycle will simply move on to chomp-chomp-chomping on other, more immediately rewarding hottest-thing-ever scandals. Bet on it. End of story.
On another hand the national movers, fixers and shakers will be forced to take another look at Christie and his national ambitions. The fix is not entirely in yet for 2016 and this could move many of the oddsmakers to favor the DemRats and Hillary Clinton rather than the Ratpubs and either a compromised Christie or some unhatched chicken-looking idiot like Bobby Jindal or Joe McCarthy wannabe like Ted Cruz.
Or…in a perfect world, an NJ-level Edward Snowden (or some NSA-level system that does not particularly want to see Christie in power) will out the undoubtedly available documentary proof that Christie was right in the middle of this foolishness and/or any number of other nasty little political tricks that put innocent people at risk.
The worst case scenario? An approach that if I were Christie’s political advisors I would certainly suggest to him if this thing begins to get out of hand? I would point out that exactly the same reward and punishment system has worked on every political level throughout the history of the world and that in point of fact he would be by far the best practitioner of it to have had a shot at the presidency since Lyndon Baines Johnson. If they had their media chops really together they could point out that Obama’s weakness on this level…call it honesty, call it morality, call it what you will…is what has doomed his presidency to failure and that Christie is just the man for the job currently at hand.
We shall see.
Soon enough.
My bet?
Christie survives this one because he is the only RatPub who stands a chance against Hillary Clinton and also the only one who…because of his obviously joyous and vicious use of political power…could conceivably control the Tea Party/far right wing of the RatPublican Party.
In other words…business as usual.
Put a big guy in the center of the ship of state and let him punch the lights out of everybody who wants to rock the boat.
Watch.
Gonna be interesting.
Bet on that as well.
Later…
AG
But, there are thousands of pages of emails and texts that have not been released. So this could drip on for months.
Got a link to support that “thousands of pages of emails and texts that have not been released” idea? How incompetent can they have been? I mean…I realize it’s New Jersey, but that stupid?
AG
It probably hurts him in the general election, but for the primary? Isn’t hurting democratic constituencies job #1 for republicans? I mean, after bonanzas for the money men obviously.
I say we give Christie the same courtesy the GOP gave Obama during the IRS “scandal”…NONE!!!
Will Chris Christie get the same treatment by MSM as Obama did over IRS “scandal” or nicer treatment?
The NYTimes isn’t letting go of this
GWB lane closures delayed EMS response to 4 calls in Fort Lee
Wednesday, January 8, 2014
@keithboykin
Report: 91-year-old New Jersey woman died after emergency crews were delayed by Christie aides’ bridge closure.
If true, this just became an order of magnitude worse for Christie. It threatens his ability to serve out his second term as governor, let alone his presidential ambitions. Astonishing.
how awful!
Christie Pal Files Last-Minute Lawsuit To Avoid Testifying In Bridge Scandal http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/wildstein-halt-bridge-testimony …
Christie Pal Files Last-Minute Lawsuit To Avoid Testifying In Bridge Scandal
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/wildstein-halt-bridge-testimony
I think there is a further issue to investigate here. This kind of petty vindictiveness does not happen in a vacuum. That does not mean that Christie knew specifically about the order to close the bridge lanes or that he ordered it himself. But the fact that a member of his staff felt comfortable giving such an order suggests that his staff were comfortable in general with this kind of vindictiveness.
What could cause them to be that comfortable with it? Well, if they had done similar things in the past and gotten a smile and a pat on the back from the boss, then that could go a long way towards explaining their mindset.
The Watergate break-in was not the only thing the plumbers did.
Sounds like the staffs of Scott Walker in Wisconsin politics: loyal criminal cadres screwing the citizens.
Perhaps the Republicans will ignore all facts and run Christie and Walker as their dream team.
Let me get this straight. As political punishment, a Chris Christie aide orders the obstruction of interstate commerce at a major bridge into New York City. As a result of this political action, there was at least one death as a result of a delayed EMT vehicle. In the current paranoid law enforcement environment that saw Occupy Wall Street as terrorists, how is it that Christie’s staff and the folks who obstructed traffic are not being arrested on terrorism charges, zipcuffed, and put into stress interrogation?
Oh yes, I forget. IOKIYAR.
So with Christie out because of his association with President Obama, who will Republicans pick. We know that Scott Walker has ambitions, and likely Rick Snyder as well once he finishes looting Detroit. Perry shot his wad in 2012. Rick Scott is hated on Florida. Neither Jindal nor Nikki Haley could make it through the primaries. Pennsylvania and Ohio are not good launching pads for their governors at the moment. Then there’s Jeb. Who can close it in the GOP’s new short schedule? Will Jim DeMint offer himself from the purity of the Heritage Foundation? Will some politicized preacher come forward with his mission for America? McCrory? Deal? Haslam?
Oh well, can wait until December 2014 to worry about that lineup.
No one. There is no savior. It’s not even 2014 and they are already doomed. Christie was their only chance.
Huckabee is running evidently. re: Christie, be patient. it’s just gearing up. NYTimes is after it, as was clear when they kept the story going through the holidays, as are ppl on the NJ side
this didn’t just hurt dem voters, this hurt dem and republican voters. who do you think commutes by car to Manhattan from the NJ exurbs vs. public transportation or sends their kids to school on a bus in the Fort Lee area? a very stupid move as well as a violation of whatever laws etc
You’re right. They are definitely short on talent. Deal, never. So, too, the others. Huckabee maybe. Scott Walker? I just don’t see it. Jeb Bus? He, at least, seems to be sane and not stupid. Jim DeMint, never.
Christie’s exposure will lead investigative reporters to finally look into the dark hole that is his Sandy relief funds and how he has treated the people. And because of this story people will read and understand every word. He isn’t just seeing his own admin rot, it’s going to carry further.
And as a prosecutor he should recognize his own vulnerability because of his underlings. As an investigation ramps up, the first goal will be to sort through the deputies and then begin turning them. What they give up under pressure will be the prize.
This is a perfect scandal for Tweeters.
How soon before Christie is spotted sneaking into a Lakehurst Dunkin Donuts for a double dozen?
is this a blimp double entendre? very good
Yes — but probably not too good as it either isn’t funny enough or too inaccessible for a younger audience.
I noticed it the second time through – wondering why, since you’re on the West Coast you mentioned an obscure NJ locale. nicely done, should go viral
Even a bit prescient as the large one full of hot air is less afloat today after his new conference.
Ha! I just qualified for Medicare (yay!) but I didn’t get it till you pointed it out, Errol. Nicely done, Marie2.
Although it was a dirigible, not a blimp, if you want to get technical.
well both resemble CC, yes, nicely done, Marie2
If Christie is out of the 2016 race I can’t WAIT to hear the GOP debates: Cruz, Paul and Rubio, plus a few also-rans who will be to THEIR right – all competing for the conservative purity crown.
I guess Cruz would be the front-runner in the absence of Christie?
Well, I guess Jeb Bush would probably step in.
Dear God, if another fucking Bush runs, gets the nomination and somehow wins legitimately, than this country is truly fucked.
If the citizens really, really want an aristocracy and one made up of America-hating Bushes, then call me an expatriate.
It could be like 1992 all over again – Bush vs. Clinton. With some third candidate to mollify the so-called independents.
Bloomberg. Another oligarch to choose from.
Perfect. A .001 percenter senior citizen, a one percenter senior citizen and the baby bro of GWB.
The worst aristocracy money can buy.
Huckabee soon to be on his way to Iowa.
Don’t forget the governor of Wisconsin- he has his eyes on a greater criminal enterprise.
Those would be Koch bros’ eyes — fully bought and paid for — that make no secret of their plans to expand their criminal enterprises.
yes, he’s totally bought and paid for. my 2 cents is on Kelly Ayotte for vp, another Koch puppet
“Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee.”
“Got it.”
This action was planned in advanced.
It was simply put into action when the right circumstances occurred.
So, either Christie is incompetent in hiring staff who wouldn’t usurp the law and Christie’s authority, or he knew that this kind of thing was a possible response to a perceived slight on Christie.
Either way, even if it blows over and Christie doesn’t have to resign or face criminal charges, it speaks volumes about his leadership.
He’s an incompetent bully.
All the premature hysterics as to if Christie has a snowball’s chance in Inaminka in January, (Aus out back, where it’s so hot merely owning a overcoat is regarded an act of self harm from heat stroke) of becoming POTUS is akin worrying about Yellowstone exploding….It could happen but if he does the USA will have more important issues than who’s in the white house.
As a marketing person and I was still in America which I’m not, and was Christie’s PR advisor which I wouldn’t be. I’d resign and join the DNC team … he would be the easiest target (well Palin and the rest of lunatic fringe brigade et al aside) to sew fear/doubt about.
Palin was always like a deliberate placed pyrotechnical “star burst” on July 4th. Attention getting lots of bangs, lights and movement but definitely a self destructive oncer. Like fireworks she’ll be an attention getter but does anyone really want one effecting their lives? She’ll be like the bird that flies in ever decreasing circles of interest until she’ll become like an a novelty song one hit wonder pop singer an embarrassing memory.
The reality is that all but the the “the thinking lite, hysterically myopic” are his only target audience nationally. That is too small a base on which to get him over the line on a national vote.
If a week is a long time in politics the next POTUS is an eternity.
BTW The bridge thing may have burned out by then anyway…don’t underestimate the temporal limitations of the wider public’s outrage and the morphing into ‘that’s old news’.