I get really tired of the way the right, and the religious right in particular, uses the “money is fungible” argument to claim that they’re paying for people’s abortions and contraceptives.
Just to keep this simple, I am going to focus on one particular claim, made by Tim Carney at the Washington Examiner:
The culture war isn’t religious versus secular. It’s a clash of two faiths.
Interestingly, mandate champion Sandra Fluke provides us with a way out: “Your boss shouldn’t be involved in your health care decisions — that’s common sense,” she wrote this week.
Exactly. Your boss shouldn’t be telling you what pills to take, and he shouldn’t be paying for your pills. To get peace in this arena, we have to disentangle employment from health care, which requires repealing parts of Obamacare and scrapping the tax preferences for employer-based insurance.
Forget about the part where he argues for scrapping employer-provided health insurance. Let’s look at the claim that employers are paying for your pills.
Now, most people consider their benefits package at work to be part of their overall compensation package. Your health care plan isn’t really different in kind from the company match for your 401(k) or your salary. It’s what you earned in return for your labors, and you are the one being paid, not the doctor or the dentist or the insurer or the pharmacy. But let’s forget about that.
Let’s talk about whether or not offering women free contraceptive coverage on a company-supplied health insurance plan actually winds up “costing” the employer any money. In the end, making sure that the women in your workforce have access to contraceptives will mean that fewer of them will get pregnant, which means that fewer of them will incur the costs and health risks associated with pregnancy, childbirth, and covering new people on the plan. It also means fewer women will be taking maternity leave or quitting to be stay-at-home moms. There will, therefore, be fewer productivity losses and less need to invest in training for new employees.
So, in what sense can the employer be said to be paying for anything. If they are saving money, they aren’t paying. What these folks are saying is that money is fungible for them but not for you. When you spend your own money, which they paid you, to buy the pill, they don’t count that. They paid for your contraception just like they paid for your heating and your internet connection. But that doesn’t count. But if you use this other slice of compensation called health insurance, now they do count it. Now, they’re paying for it. Except, because you’re using that slice to get contraception, it costs them less to give you the slice.
What Tim Carney doesn’t understand is that the very premise of his argument is fatally flawed. Employers do not pay for people’s contraception because it actually saves them money to provide it.
Now, if we’re talking about forcing a photographer to work a gay wedding, you have something that at least warrants some kind of debate. We may not ultimately agree on that, but at least I’ll agree that the premises are honest.
Interesting. Can my employer forbid me from buying a Chevrolet? Even if the employer is Ford? I’ve heard of car companies banning other makes from their parking lots, but never heard of them forbidding their employees from owning one they keep at home. Can they argue that I’m buying the Chevy with their money? If I work for an Orthodox Jew, can he forbid me from eating bacon? On company premises, that I can see. At home? No. So maybe Hobby Lobby’s female employees can just promise not to bring their pills to work and take them at home. Somehow I think that won’t work because they really want to force management’s religion on their employees. It’s not about management’s religious rights but rather the employee’s religious freedom. And the usual suspects on SCOTUS stand solidly against any rights for the
slavesemployees.I don’t think that you will be forbidden to buy a Chevrolet if your employer is Ford. However, just be prepared of not getting any pay rise and promotions in years to come.
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I don’t think you have to show that the coverage saves the company money to prove that Hobby Lobby’s argument makes no sense. You already said everything you needed to with “most people consider their benefits package part of their overall compensation package.” That’s right: there is no logical distinction between cash pay and benefits. Let’s say – as Carney argues it should – health care were to be unhooked from employment. Employees would then have to use salary to pay for the ACA-mandated health insurance policy, which includes contraception coverage. Would Hobby Lobby then have a religious liberty argument that the ACA is unconstitutional because it is paying the wages used to buy that insurance? Of course not; it’s patently absurd. They might as well argue that the wage and hour laws shouldn’t apply to them if they have a sincerely held religious belief that overtime pay is immoral. If the Court allows businesses to start opting out of laws of general applicability on the basis of religious belief, then they are going to open the door to a unforeseeable flood of similar objections.
Exactly. Underneath all the rhetoric, what’s at stake is the employer’s right to withhold part of the employee’s compensation if the employee makes private decisions that the employer disapproves of. Basically a penalty for fornication.
So, if the employer were to tell the employee: “spend any of your wages to buy a GUN, and you’re FIRED”, I’d imagine that the rightwingers would quickly come up with a reason that ‘some rights are more important than others’
Makes me want to get a part-time job at Hobby Lobby and spend the wages on an internet porn account.
HA! You beat me to it. Porn and lots of atheist literature.
To remind Carney of Fluke’s premise that your boss shouldn’t be involved in your health care decisions, her comment parallels the concept that health care coverage by an employer has always translated into compensation by an employer to an employee. Hence the argument that an employer can’t/won’t go into your bank account to see if you are buying porn; to see if you are buying goodies for a mistress; or tithing enough to your/their church.
It’s compensation given separate and apart from corporate shareholder or owners’ beliefs. This is one reason why an employer cannot discriminate from employee to employee on who gets coverage and who doesn’t based on religious beliefs. Hence the adulterer will be covered equally alongside his brother’s keeper.
But your employer does have the right to rummage through your health records. Not the moral right, but the legal right.
I love the idea of scrapping employer provided insurance. It was an ad-hoc development in WWII and it should never have been allowed. Replace it with full on socialied fucking medicine.
Sure. Still doesn’t resolve this question really and could make it worse bc of our scared shitless Dem pols. I can see it now: the BC equivalent to the Hyde Amendment.
Yes, but that’s a different context than the one I was pointing to which is that the employer can’t dictate where an employee’s compensation is spent; so no religious oversight as to whether the money is being spent within religious dictates.
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