Rep. Jeff Miller of Florida just made perhaps the most powerfully stupid set of remarks I have ever heard from an elected official. Is he actually this dumb or is he just doing this for the money and power he gets in return?
MSNBC host Richard Lui had asked Miller if he thought messaging against man-made climate change would be detrimental to Republicans’ 2014 and 2016 election prospects. Lui cited a poll of Florida voters who said that on the issue of climate change they trusted scientists over Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), who does not believe human activity contributes to global warming, by a margin of 56 to 33 percent.
“Well, I think anybody would answer a poll and say that they believe the scientists, but you have to understand that it is not settled science,” Miller said. “The issue of climate change has been happening for a long time, and for us to be able to think that we, as matter of fact, can change what’s going on right now to any substantive measure is really kind of foolish in my opinion.”
At this point, I only had questions. If 97% of climate scientists agree on something and the other three are on Exxon/Mobil’s payroll, can’t we call the science “settled”? The “issue of climate change” has been happening? Is he denying that climate change is occurring or only arguing that we can’t do anything about it?
Mr. Lui tried to get some clarification.
“So you agree that it is changing?” Lui asked.
“I’ve never said that it wasn’t changing,” Miller responded.
“To a deleterious effect?” Lui asked.
“It changes. It gets hot, it gets cold, it’s done it for as long as we’ve measured the climate,” Miller said.
Okay, so he agrees that the climate is changing, but not necessarily with a deleterious effect. I am going to assume that he was confounded by Liu’s polysyllabic stylings.
“But, manmade, isn’t that the question?” Lui pressed.
“Then why did the dinosaurs go extinct? Were there men that were causing — were there cars running around at that point that were causing global warming? No,” Miller concluded. “The climate has changed since Earth was created.”
Logic…how does it work?
Rep. Miller just said that burning fossil fuels cannot cause deleterious climate change because burning fossil fuels had nothing to do with the dinosaurs going extinct. Here we get to another topic that seems settled in the scientific community. The dinosaurs died after a giant asteroid hit the Yucatan Peninsula.
Effects of the Asteroid Impact
The devastation caused by such an event is difficult to imagine. The asteroid would have hit with the force of 100,000 billion tons of TNT. This would have generated an earthquake one thousand times greater than the largest ever recorded, with winds of over 400 kph. A massive fireball would have boiled nearby seas, destroying everything for thousands of kilometers. Forests throughout most of North America and some of South America would have been flattened by the shock wave. Evidence of a giant tsunami has been found around the Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean, as well as in Spain and Brazil. It may have had an effect as far away as New Zealand. Map showing asteroid impact in Gulf of Mexico
Despite the enormity of the destruction from the initial impact, the dinosaurs and their contemporaries might have survived and eventually recovered, but the subsequent long-term effects of the blast were even more deadly. Ninety thousand cubic kilometers of debris would have been blasted into the atmosphere, some reaching into space only to re-enter at high speeds. This could have heated the atmosphere sufficiently to ignite global forest fires. While the heavier pieces of ejecta settled back down on Earth, fine dust particles would have remained in the atmosphere and significantly blocked sunlight, causing an effect called an “impact winter”. There is much debate about the duration and severity of the impact winter following the K/T impact, but the darkness and cold temperatures might have reduced photosynthesis and collapsed food chains globally.The amount of carbon and sulfur contained in the rock at the impact site would have aggravated these devastating effects. As much as 100 billion tons of sulfur and 10 trillion tons of carbon would have been vaporized by the impact and blown into the atmosphere. The resulting sulfate aerosols would have stayed in the atmosphere for several years; the resulting carbon dioxide would have stayed airborne for several hundred years. Initially the sulfate aerosols would have contributed to global cooling by blocking out the sun, before precipitating as acid rain. After the dust and sulfates settled out and ended the cooling, global warming would have begun. The carbon dioxide levels, being two to three times normal, would have caused extreme greenhouse conditions, raising global temperatures by as much as 10°C. Although some life forms may have survived the years of darkness and freezing temperatures, many surely died out in the subsequent centuries of heat.
That doesn’t mean that every single paleontologist agrees with the asteroid theory, but Exxon/Mobil doesn’t have a compelling reason to pay for alternate theories and theorists. Rep. Jeff Miller may have some explanation, but at least we are agreed that cars were not involved.
But let’s think about this for a minute. We’re concerned about climate change for two reasons. The first is that rising sea levels and more powerful storms and droughts and forest fires are hugely expensive things to deal with. The second is that we don’t want to cause even more massive extinctions than we’ve already accomplished, and that extends in particular to our own species.
So, if we’re worried that we’re going to cause our own extinction, the argument that climate change caused the dinosaurs to go extinct seems like about the worst available argument that you could make. Rep. Jeff Miller is just proving our point.
God, what a ridiculous man he is. I hope the people in Florida’s panhandle are proud of their idiot.
You’re way overthinking this, Boo. What Rep. Miller means by “climate change” is that it was 75 today, and only 70 yesterday. It’ll be 83 tomorrow, then 72 on Wednesday. See? Climate change! It’s been like that since the beginning of the planet (6,000 years ago). And it’ll be like that in future years regardless of what we do, right?
It’s a perfectly logical argument, so long as you accept that the terms he’s using don’t mean what he thinks they mean to anyone with an IQ greater than that of a slightly retarded aphid.
And, of course, a little temperature change
never hurt a flycaused the extinction of the dinosaurs, so why worry about it?yes, he’s not distinguishing weather from climate
This isn’t just 151 proof stupid – it’s Everclear proof stupid!
He’ll believe it when the rising ocean touches his front doorstep.
Ocean ain’t doing any such thing. The North Carolina GOP done forbade it.
Unfortunately, for the numskulls in the NC GOtP and everyone else along the coastline, the ocean doesn’t respond to legislative directives, but to the actual climate instead.
They probably are proud.
It is a clear combination of both. He gets to spout stupidity and make large sums of money to do so. He is laughing stupidly all the way to the bank.
Jeff represents Florida’s first district, including Pensacola–the Florida of Florida.
As stupid sounding as Boehner et. al. Another demonstration of the difficulty cons are having with articulating their latest think-tank approved talking point on climate change which is “if it is happening, it’s not man-made and nothing but part of a natural cycle of warming and cooling.” They get stuck when they attempt to square that with known and accepted facts.
Those constituents with property under the 21 foot-above-sea-level line in Florida will understand where Jeff Miller stands on the truth sometime within their lifetimes. That one seems already to be baked into the trends–barring some stupendous rapidly deployed, effective, major technical fix.
The coastal-based loonies in the Republican Party continue to amaze me. Don’t they read the tide tables? Or has the sea-level rising not shown up there yet?
Yes, this conservative white male bozo is ridiculous, and likely one of the actual stupid ones as well. He probably couldn’t understand the science if his life depended on it. Some “conservatives” are willfully dumb and some are just plain beyond-their-control dumb. Miller is the latter.
But I’ve read this sort of shit for years and this is standard issue denialist obfuscation and blather. Miller has memorized these lines from decades old denialist talking points and the useless teevee news boyz never catch on.
Thus, because the climate (naturally) changed over eons and eons, it is (naturally) changing now. Because humans didn’t cause the warming(s) of the past, they aren’t causing the current warming. Because humans (had they existed) couldn’t alter the effects of the warmings of the long distant past, they can’t alter the current warming. All illogical, all anti-science, all misleading to the point of intentionally lying. (Leave aside the fact that we have been in a stable interglacial period since the retreat of the last ice age 11,000 years ago–if you want to talk about climate changes over the “ages”, Idiot Miller.)
The big fly in the ointment is that this ignorant denialism acts like we don’t understand the causes of the changes to the paleo-climate, and thus don’t know the causes of the current change. As you demonstrate, we have excellent evidence-based theories for the many variations of the paleo-climate. And of course we have an (incontrovertible) theory of what is causing the current warming—and it ain’t a great meteor strike, or any possible natural cause.
And so we have this Miller clown regurgitating half truths about climate that have nothing to with the current situation, sprinkled with the outright lie that the cause of the current warming isn’t “settled science”. It is as settled as the theory of gravity, in reality. There is no alternate (natural) theory of the current warming (unlike all warmings of the long past eons), and there is no possibility of undermining the (now established) theory of the cause—CO2 arising from human burning of fossil fuels and mass deforestation. Yet the hapless journalmalist can’t show the ignorant turd up, and thus the (phony) rightwing “controversy” framing wins another small round.
As for the extinction of other species–from the dinosaurs to the ongoing mass extinction that is now commencing–the “conservative” movement could not possibly care less. And the imbecile American Talibaners call everything that occurs “God’s Will”—even when humans are caught holding the bloody knife.
Especially when humans are caught holding the bloody knife. It’s a perfect way to avoid accountability.
I live on an island in Florida. Peak elevation 18 ft.
There are a few here that think this guy is a genius. I can only think how he’s heralded in the panhandle.
Florida Panhandle = Alabama
I used to hang in the Florida Panhandle with a mixed race group of people from Atlanta….cheap motels, great seafood, dive bars galore. This was 30 years ago. Among the Atlanta cognoscenti it was known as “The Redneck Riviera.” 4 or 5 hours drive from Atlanta. A great cheap vacation place. Where to go when you don’t want to deal with overprivileged assholes or pay stupid money for sun and sea.
Some of the best times of my life were spent there. Not nearly as dangerous or stupid as any number of urban centers I can think of. Betcha it’s no worse than it was. Probably better.
AG
Oh, I have family near Fort Walton Beach and I go down there multiple times a year. Great beaches and great seafood.
I’m not really dissing the place, but I just wanted to clarify that you can call it Florida, and the license plates say as much…but a lot of it is just southeast Alabama in disguise.
Really?
Dumber than this?
Are you sure?
This statement was the lever that eventually put Bush II in office. Stupidly trying to play smart with words ran this entire country aground.
Dumber than that I cannot imagine.
AG
Why don’t you care about climate change? Are you a denier too?
If this fool had been able to keep his dick in his pants we would never have seen Bush II and the climate-denying RatPublican Party would likely be history by now.
Every mistake leads to others.
AG
Apparently Miller joins the ranks of Rep who think they can dismiss climate change by merely redefining scientific method. Reminiscent of the Bush Admin coining the Healthy Forests type of initiatives.
As WeatherUnderground succinctly explains, “… a consensus in science is different from a political one. There is no vote. Science gives up the debate because of the sheer weight of consistent evidence and consensus emerges over time. Not only do scientists stop debating, they also start relying on each other’s work. All science depends on that which precedes it and when one scientist builds on the work of another he acknowledges the work of others through citations…”