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Pretty devastating footage, the missile warhead with fragmentation shrapnel must have exploded right underneath cockpit at front side of plane – photo. [port front of cockpit = left side]
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Crash site in Donetsk district near village of Shakhtars'kThis is a Malaysian Boeing 777 at Schiphol airport.
Posted earlier @MoA – No Evidence – Administration’s MH17 Case Against Russia Falls Apart.
Interesting, FT Europe explains photo thus: MH17 crash: FT photo shows signs of damage from missile strike.
A Buk missile is with proximity fuse, gets within 30 meters of target and triggers a high fragmentation explosive. Another missile in Ukrainian possession is the S-300 which does most damage as it explodes upon impact. This will destroy the plane just about instantly with no chance of survival. A few days earlier, the anti-Kiev forces downed an Antonov military transport plane. Eight crew members bailed out to safety with a parachute. Quite a difference. The two recorders can provide substantial data to verify what happened in milliseconds after impact.
The Dutch take over the crash investigation of shot-down Malaysia Airlines flight MH 17
(WAN) – The Dutch Safety Board [OvV – Onderzoeksraad voor Veiligheid] took over formal responsibility for the air crash investigation from Ukraine yesterday evening (July 22). The two black boxes have since arrived in the United Kingdom [Farnborough], where they are currently being read out and analyzed by a team of international specialists. The on-site investigation in Ukraine is currently in full swing. Although investigators still do not have safe access to the crash site, work to gather and analyse data from various sources is underway in bothKiev and the Netherlands.
The first priorities will be to gather information from the crash site, analyse the black boxes and coordinate the international team. Ultimately, the air crash investigation should offer victims families and the international community a clear and comprehensive overview of the causes and course of the crash.
With the Dutch Safety Board now heading the investigation, the international investigation team will have more freedom to go about its tasks unhindered. The Dutch Safety Board is also responsible for coordinating all participating investigators and investigation teams from the countries involved (Ukraine, Malaysia, Australia, Germany, the United States, the United Kingdom and Russia) and the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO). The international team currently consists of 24 investigators. A total of four Dutch Safety Board investigators are currently operating inUkraine.
OvV presentation: Turkish Airways Boeing 737-800 crash at Schiphol Airport Amsterdam – 2009 [pdf]
○ Enough Grandstanding. It’s Time For Real Sanctions Against Russia
PS Mind you, this article is written by Andrew Bowen in The Interpreter. I covered this anti-Russian propaganda blog several momths ago – Found out shill-reporting for Russian oligarchs at Big Orange and US websites.
The Reuters lede:
○ Fighting broke out near the railway station at the heart of the rebel stronghold of Donetsk
○ Ukraine’s richest man, Rinat Ahmetov, pleaded with the government not to bomb his home city Donetsk
Suggest googling “Ihor Kolomoisky” to find the WSJ-online profile (doesn’t link). Very interesting.
○ It’s happened before: MH17 tragedy was part of a bigger air war by Mark Kramer
○ Cold War Myths and Realities: Understanding Today’s Threats and Challenges in Historical Perspective Lecture by Mark Kramer
Well, Khodakovsky’s story doesn’t dovetail with a BUK missile system being snuck into Ukraine AFTER he fled to Kiev. I guess that the rebels still have him on the ultra-secret mailing list.
○ MH17: Kerry says all evidence points to separatists and urges Russia to ‘step up’ [Kerry uses social media as circumstantial evidence, what a bs– Oui]
The Netherlands has taken the lead in the investigation searching for forensic evidence in the downing of Malaysia Air flight MH-17 one week ago. Who are presently in the Donetsk region participating in the search? Malaysians, the international OSCE, Australians, locals, and a lot of international correspondents and tv/radio teams, but NO DUTCH!
I just watched a news item filmed at the crash site (35 km²). The interviewer asked the search groups for their impression. All admitted they were free to travel all over the area, and there seems to be no danger in the warzone. The anti-Kiev rebel groups do provide guards for security of the international group. While filming, the Dutch reporters heard loud explosions. The guards responded: “Grads, grads. Those are grads rockets launched by Ukrainian forces towards Donetsk.
Where there forensic experts present? No, there were three Dutch experts but they left with the train and refrigerated wagons carrying the body bags.
The Dutch say it isn’t safe to be at the crash site right now, how to you experience security? The OSCE observer said it was a bit tricky the first days, now we get all cooperation needed and with these heavily armed guards we feel safe. Others are agitated that after seven days the Dutch aren’t here with their experts to take the lead.
A Malaysian spokesperson mentioned Malaysia is an unaligned nation and takes no position in any and all conflicts. We are able to talk to all sides, also with the regional governor representing the rebels. The Dutch have done it ‘officially’ communicating through the junta regime in Kiev.
Foreign Minister Timmermans must have the best relationship with Kiev as he joined the EU representatives, US members of Congress and Vicky Nuland in their partnership on Maidan Square with the opposition to the elected government of Ukraine under Yahnukovich.
I watched PM Mark Rutte at a press conference promising to send a group of forensic experts as follows in consecutive days: 3 – 7 – 7 – 7 accompanied by a total od 40 unarmed military police, the Marechausee.
So, please Mark, get a hold on yourself and don’t complain to president Putin that Russia needs to do more as Washington is apparently ordering you to say. Get grips and tell the EU leaders you got cold feet and left the bodies of the victims in the fields of Shakhtars’k.
Today the searchers found the largest single piece of the fusilage in a wooded area with the windows still intact. One week after the crash, the first to witness this part of the immense crash site.
○ Arseniy Yatsenyuk resigns from post of Ukrainian prime minister
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It’s not one or other blogger that is ‘absolutist’, that prize goes to the capitals of Kiev, London, Moscow and Washington DC.
There is an extreme propaganda war raging of lies, half-truths, desinformation and subversion. None is helpful to find a common denominator to the benefit of the Ukrainians. East Ukraine doesn’t want to be part of Russia, that has been clear from the coup d’état moment on February 28.
The Russian speaking population wants their minority rights upheld in some form of autonomy and existing economic ties with Putin’s Russia. Hundreds of thousands cross the border daily for their livelihood in the Russian Republic. The Rights Sektor should return to its cage and stop aggressive military action using tanks and fighter planes to shell cities in eastern Ukraine.
The protocal agreed upon between the EU and the Kiev government to end hostilities when Yanukovish was ousted, should be the basic document for negotiations with leaders from both east and west Ukraine. Outside politicians should butt out, at least not dictate their terms for a deal. Military action in a civil conflict will not bring the parties together. As I posted before, the oligarchs will remain, they just switch sides. The people already living in misery will suffer by a prolonged conflict.
In the US on CNN for example, the rhetoric has moved to the next phase: War with Russia. Good luck with choosing sides.
For a knowledgable view on the Ukraine crisis follow Matthew Rojansky and Mark Kramer.
My latest post – Mark, Don’t Ever Complain Again! [Rutte]. [caught up in the neocon rhetoric from Washington]
Sounds quite familiar, the scavengers after the fall of the Soviet Union have now landed in the Ukraine, the American way!
This is a good development, these persons are professionals, not to be influenced by European politics … at least I think so!