I still think the most fundamental problem with Meet the Press is that it is a public salon for Washingtonian insiders to pop off about whatever it is that happens to be obsessing the city’s elites on any given Sunday morning. Sometimes, these obsessions match up quite well with their national audience, but much of the time they do not.
In might be more expensive to pay for the travel, but the show would benefit greatly by letting the host play the role of Washington insider, and letting the guests bring some outside perspective to the issues of the day.
I’d book more local politicians and mayors for the panel section, who will tend to bring a less scripted message. But I’d also bring in more interesting people, whether they are famous or not. Over the years, Bill Moyer has introduced me to many fascinating people who I would never otherwise had known about. A mix of politically engaged celebrities, public intellectuals, quirky citizen organizers, and even the occasional self-interested shill would be more interesting and exciting than one more segment featuring Katty Kay, E.J. Dionne, Bob Woodward, or David Brooks.
And, really, the goal of the program shouldn’t be to simply put on a play where the actors read from a script of conventional wisdom. The goal should be to create a panel that will challenge that conventional wisdom in ways that haven’t been predetermined. For example, the reason that someone like Chuck D might be a good guest to talk about the obsession of the day is because you know he’s smart and well-informed, but you really don’t know what his take on any particular issue is going to be. He wouldn’t be there to advance a poll-tested agenda. The same would be true of countless academics who could be brought on to talk about things that are somewhat outside their field of expertise. Energy Secretary Steven Chu wasn’t an expert in submerged oil wells, but he helped figure out how to cap the Macondo blowout because he’s smart.
Meet the Press is one of the few shows on television where your ratings and influence depend on pleasing a smart audience, which means that stimulating the brain is going to make the show more successful, not less. I wouldn’t advise doing too many segments with the directors of the Congressional Research Service or Office of Management and Budget, but as long as the show doesn’t get bogged down in statistics, it will generally be better television if the level of discussion is high and goes in unpredictable directions.
It’s true that David Gregory wasn’t enough of a political animal to be good at the job, but his real failure was that he continued the program’s tradition of making the second half of the show the equivalent of watching a webcam of an uninteresting Georgetown dinner party. Chuck Todd hasn’t changed that.
This was never compelling television, but it worked passably well as long as Washington still functioned well enough to produce news. When Mitch McConnell ground the gears down to nubs, it killed the old Meet the Press format for good.
This change, although very logical, would run counter to the aims of the elites who own the network, eh? Not going to happen.
I’ve never watched Meet the Press, and I’m not aware that this has put me at any kind of disadvantage. I would watch the show you’re talking about though–which would really just be what the name of the show implies. If Chuck Todd is talking to David Brooks, that’s the press meeting the press, isn’t it?
And of course if I want to know what David Brooks has to say, I can always read his column. But then he’s a very shallow intellect, so I usually don’t.
I did intermittently in the late ’90s and early ’00s until I could no longer deny that it and the other Sunday talkies (and McLaughlin) were a total waste of time.
The last, and only time, I remember watching MTP was when Markos was on opposite Harold Ford, Jr. It was during the summer, when The Big Potatohead was still alive, except that Fluffyhead hosted it as the summer fill-in. Anyway, why would someone under 60 care to watch? What does it offer them?
The audience demographics over time would be interesting. Doubt it skewed >60 years old in the early days. Would guess “mad men” back then.
Of course, in the early days, younger people skewed older by today’s standards. A 20 and 40 year old then would be a 40 and 60 yo today. Hard to believe younger people tuned in to watch old middle-aged Lawrence Spivak as he fronted for NBC and Timex watches (“They take a licking, but keep on ticking!”) except as we consider the old young person factor of that time.
By “early,” I meant 1947-65. The period during which televisions went from being an expensive luxury good to being in most homes and considered a necessity. When weekday news broadcasts were fifteen minutes and MTP aired Sunday evenings. MTP more likely became a habit in the early adopter homes (in part because they wasn’t much programming and much of it was NYC-DC-centric) and habits do have a way of being passed down in families.
For example, the reason that someone like Chuck D might be a good guest to talk about the obsession of the day is because you know he’s smart and well-informed, but you really don’t know what his take on any particular issue is going to be.
Do you follow Chuck D on Twitter? And no we don’t know what his take on any particular position will be. But I bet some of us could take an informed guess and it’s not what Comcast or other big corporations want to hear.
Aren’t these ratings and show challenges the real answer to your previous post on Ask a Congressperson?
These people are parochial hacks who are boring beyond belief.
Pay attention to the ads during MTP the next time you watch. Note that you see very few commercials for things people actually buy and a lot of “we’re great” ads from firms like BP and Boeing.
These shows used to be about meeting regulatory requirements for public service programming associated with making a profit from using public airwaves. When this was the reason they aired, we saw journalists like Carl Rowan and Larry Spivak interviewing Martin Luther King on controversial issues.
Now they just give corporations a way to purchase a platform by paying for ads. The messages are embedded in the choice of discussion topics and discussants. It’s no accident that neocons like Kristol and McCain get a lot of air time to discuss what a dangerous world we live in.
Progressives should watch Meet the Press because it’s a good way to find out what the corporate message is this week. If MTP has Brooks on to tell us that both political parties are the same, it’s because that’s what BP wants us to think. And Chuck D won’t be on until he becomes a corporate mouthpiece.
isn’t just spot-on wrt MTP, it’s an accurate indictment of what’s so broken about the Village corporate media across the board.
Not that many interesting public intellectuals these days. Sad to have to note that most have died out in recent years. Plenty of smart people left, but too many of them don’t have the breadth of knowledge in this age of specialization and/or are deemed too controversial by the producers/sponsors. Moyers and Thom Hartmann (RT-Great Minds) tend to get the ones who are shunned by the establishment as too lefty/controversial.
Far easier to make things a bit more interesting on the side behind the mic. Like reverting to the original format of having a group of journalists ask the questions. Today it would break down something like one reporter each for tv and cable, two reporters to rep the internet/blogosphere. But since people like Martin or Digby or Duncan Black would tend to ask probing questions, I doubt if many pols would agree to appear.
A little dose of realism is in order. This was considered one of the finest moments of Meet the Press. Compare the stylistic differences with Chuck Todd’s version.
Meet the Press: Martin Luther King
I’m not sure that this is the the 1963 interview that David Gregory reprised in 2013, but I preferred a version without having to look at Gregory’s mug.
Hasn’t Bill Maher already done all that?
Who is the actual target audience for these shows? I think you’re speaking the wrong language – in IT terms this is a COBOL issue, not FORTRAN. It’s the FILLER, not the FORMAT…