Orange County, California was ground zero for John Birchers and has always been an important base of support for the Republican Party. So, it’s not surprising to see that their newspaper is kind of panicked about the popularity of Bernie Sanders.
The biggest and most important development [of the presidential campaign] has been the massive support among the new generation of voters for Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and his open embrace of socialism. In Iowa’s Democratic caucuses, which ended with Clinton and Sanders in a virtual tie, young people opted for Sanders at an almost inconceivable rate of 84-14. In 2008, Barack Obama won this segment, claiming only a 57 percent majority.
So we are seeing the embrace of an openly socialist septuagenarian by a generation that, within a decade, will dominate our electorate and outnumber baby boomers as soon as 2020. That should put more conventional politicians, and business, on notice. Whether you are a Republican, a free-marketer or, even a Democratic-leaning crony capitalist, be afraid – be very afraid.
What’s interesting about the actual piece, which was penned by Joel Kotkin of Chapman University, is that he doesn’t offer much of an alternative to Sanders. The Republicans are too absorbed in cultural issues to defend capitalism:
Some conservatives – particularly given the chaos of the Republican race – might be tempted to revel in the new Democratic lurch to the left, which conceivably could drive the party too far from the mainstream, at least for older generations. But millennials are the future, and, if the GOP retains its reactionary ideas on key social issues – notably the mass expulsion of undocumented immigrants, legalizing marijuana and gay marriage – its chances of reaching millennial voters may be minimal.
As for Hillary Clinton, he considers her the worst kind of crony capitalist.
The rise of support for socialism among millennials is having an immediate impact on the Democratic Party. Many left-leaning Democrats rightfully detest the kind of modulated crony capitalism epitomized by Hillary Clinton. This could precipitate a civil war among major Democratic donors – notably in Silicon Valley – who may embrace progressive views on cultural and environmental issues, but have little interest in having their massive wealth threatened by regulations or hypertaxation.
“They don’t like [Bernie] Sanders at all,” notes San Francisco-based researcher Greg Ferenstein, who has been polling Internet company founders for an upcoming book. Sanders’ emphasis on income redistribution and protecting union privileges and pensions violates the favorite notions of the tech elite. “He’s an egalitarian liberal,” Ferenstein explains, “these people are tech liberals. Equality is a nonissue in Silicon Valley.”
I’m not really sure exactly what “crony capitalism” is supposed to mean in this context, but there could be a battle within the donor class of the Democratic Party in coming years as millennials’ values come into more conflict with the folks who are currently thriving in this economy. I don’t think this will come to full fruition in this cycle, but it’s on the horizon.
What confused me the most, though, was this part:
Ultimately, the future of capitalism depends on making the system work for the majority of people, including millennials. The current system, frankly, is producing few benefits for the vast majority of Americans, giving the free market a bad name and turning off millennials. Fully half of them, notes a recent Harvard study, already believe the “American Dream” is dead. More than 10 million millennials are outside the system, neither employed nor in education or training, a population that seems ripe for leftist agitation.
Simply put, to change millennial views, capitalism also needs to change from its current trajectory.
But if the Republicans are off in la-la land, fighting battles about human sexuality and embracing nativism, and Clinton represents more of a system that favors the already affluent, and if capitalism needs to address the legitimate concerns of millennials, then why isn’t Sanders the best solution on offer?
The answer, insofar as Kotkin supplies one, is that Sanders’ policies only sound good to millennials, but they’ll fail just as surely as other redistributionist policies have failed.
That may be true, but you can’t combat something with nothing. If you don’t want to see more leftist agitation or an emerging dominant generation that embraces socialism, then you have to have some kind of middle ground.
I wish these Orange County Republican-types would, once in a while, reconsider how FDR found a middle ground between the xenophobic national-greatness appeal of fascism and the brutal excesses of Bolshevism. But that would require them to admit that they’ve been wrong about the New Deal since the beginning.
The GOP is a dead issue as far as the young voters are concerned. This also goes for the current Democratic Party elites. Whether they like it or not the two parties had best wake up and smell the Bern for Sanders and get the meaning. Put Hillary in for wanting not to rock the elitist boat and risk turning away a generation of needed voters.
Obama went in on “CHANGE” well real change has been thrust upon both parties and neither one likes it. They both prefer the status quot. I will vote for Hillary and a straight Democratic Party ticket but the real question that very few dare to ask and even fewer answer. Is the Democratic Party really willing to turn away a generation of much needed voters just to play it safe? The Clinton power in the party is great but are they so ruthless and power crazy to risk destroying the party?
Yes I know many will be far more comfortable to blow this post off. But look at the excitement that Sanders has caused for millions of voters. The real question should be dare the party reject Sanders and risk crushing these voters hopes? Better to let Sanders if he is chosen by the people run.If he makes it and does not accomplish all that is expected. Then tell the voters that we need more Democratic Party members in Congress to accomplish the goals. Push for a 50 state strategy to gain more Dems in office or lay down and die as a party. That is also change.
“Yes I know many will be far more comfortable to blow this post off. But look at the excitement that Sanders has caused for millions of voters.”
The real story is the excitement that he has not caused for millions more. I am all for optimistic projections about the youth vote and their engagement in future elections, but we’ve been down this road before.
You expect Sanders to carry an entire demographic turnabout all by himself? Especially when you have Democratic Party stalwarts doing all they can to provide headwinds with idiots like DWS flat-out saying that Gen-Y women are spoiled and complacent, Steinem saying that Millenial women are horny boy-chasers, and Albright saying that female Sanders supporters are gender traitors?
In 2008, the entire Democratic Party establishment was working over the youth vote. Including Clinton. She lost the <35 vote to Obama, but that number was buoyed by whites and blacks. She actually did better than him with <35 year old Latinos and Asians and with poorer young whites and blacks she was much closer.
This year, the cheese stands alone. And you’re sneering at the only mouse offering to bell that cat, asking why he’s wasting so much time with sleeping pills and snares when he’s the only mouse even trying? Give me a break.
I’m not sneering at anyone. But electoral reality is a harsh reality, whether we’re projecting Clinton or Sanders or whomever. The other guys can get as nasty as they like; their floor will remain 45% until proven otherwise. That’s not a lot of margin to work with.
The thing is, we’re not going into completely new territory with the youth vote. I don’t quite buy into Sanders’ revolution, but I do buy into the idea that it’s easier to reblaze a trail than to forge it for the first time.
All I expect out of Sanders is to get Obama 2008’s turnout margins and vote-% with Millenials, Obama 2012’s turnout margins and vote-% with Asians and Latinos (and honestly, the turnout-% was pretty pathetic with these two groups), and to do no worse than 2% of Kerry 2004 with any and all other major demographic, including black turnout and vote-%. Romney’s 60% of the white vote in 2012 was only possible with Millenial vote-switching and drop-out (if Obama got his 2008 margins with white Millenials, it would’ve been a more historically unremarkable 56%), so I’m not particularly worried about that Missing White Voters silliness.
what M Albright said was much stronger, truly awful
The Obama Coalition doesn’t exist without Millenials. The elites might be salivating over elections looking indefinitely like 2012, but without Millenials and with only the turnout of older racial minorities to buoy the coalition elections will look more like 2000 than 2012. Hell, we’re already seeing the affect of not having Gen-Y fully on your side. If 2012 Obama had gotten his 2008 turnout and vote-% margins with the <35 year old vote and changed nothing else then 2012 would’ve been a bigger landslide than 2008. North Carolina, Georgia, and maybe even Arizona and Missouri would’ve been within reach and he would’ve had about an 8% generic voting advantage edge.
Most every centrist-leaning electoral analysis of the Republican Party’s long-term decline and Democratic Party’s long-term ascendancy focuses on race. The amount of attention given to age is comparatively tiny. Because of this blind spot, Democratic Party elites are antagonizing the party on age that they’d never, especially after 2008, do on race.
The young don’t like broken promises. The old are resigned to them. The young don’t care about race and gender. The old do. If you run on “Change” and only deliver a minor change that the young didn’t even care about, they don’t give you a second chance.
Even IF the DNC gentry manages to hang onto the Presidency, it is ceding the states to the Republicans with their poor caliber of policies and me-too-ism as regards the role of government in public good.
How many more Flints do we want to see, as one by one, the states are captured and looted?
Billmon’s response: Someone explain to me why she is not a loathsome POS? (Never mind. I don’t need any more aggravation today)
Hillary turn on SNL? Totally cool. (The Flint River water was flowing through the pipes at that time, but she wasn’t into “saving the kids” then.) Bernie’s turn — disgraceful that he wasn’t pandering to a community with toxic water.
YES! FDR saved Capitalism. My parents and there siblings all agreed. The alternative to FDR was Communism or Fascism and both were strong in the 1930’s.
Comintern or Bund, those were the alternatives.
Modern elites make the same mistake as elites of every successive make when it comes to exploiting the masses: the tolerance for exploitation goes down with successive generations. High Middle Ages peasants put up with conditions the Age of Enlightenment commonfolk would’ve never put up with. Age of Enlightment commonfolk put up with conditions that the Second Industrial Revolution wageslaves would’ve never put up with. Second Industrial Revolution wageslaves put up with conditions that Great Depression hard luck cases would’ve never put with. And Great Depression hard luck cases put up with conditions that modern American working stiffs would’ve never put up with.
The elite is under the impression that since the modern American working stiff has unprecedented access to culture, education, food, toys, and self-improvement that they’ll indefinitely endure noticeably better conditions than the Joads survived. And only a few hundred thousand people from that era moved towards communism/socialist. You can see this line of thinking with the constant refrain of ‘you millenials with your smartphones and 40″ HDTVs don’t have it anywhere near as bad as poor people back then, so STFU’. While it’s true that things are nowhere near as bad as it was in an era with 20% unemployment (with things much worse for non-whites) the fact is that, well, progress is the constant of human civilization. Peoples’ expectations go up over time, and that’s okay.
Let’s check the youth turnout of 18-35 year olds in 2016 to see the arc of this revolution. If it’s higher than expected (McGovern and Obama’s being able the same and the high-water mark) then the smart plutocrats should take that as a warning. But if there’s anything we’ve learned about American history it’s that the elite are only slightly smarter than the rubes.
I hear these fucking explanations from friends in the medical profession when they’re criticizing the life choices of their patients. Considering how well medical professionals are compensated, that shit falls on deaf ears with me,
But modern American working stiffs put up with all sorts of stuff that pre-Reagan American working stiffs didn’t.
Just not as many “working stiffs” making it today and those are the one fortunate enough to have a job.
And there was SOME union membership pre-Reagan. Almost double what it is today. And just what is pre-Reagan? If we go back to 1960, there was triple the union membership.
go back before Taft-Hartley and private sector unions were flourishing. Since then they’ve lost year after year and the only growth was in public sector unions. Reagan began the rollback on that little problem.
He had a good grasp of a few components based on his experience — Tammany Hall and his time at F&D. Clean up the greed and corruption in government and the financial sector. Added to that was that he had an uncanny ability to hire the best (Frances Perkins), listen, and was willing to experiment with ideas. In his time Keynesian economics was untested as a government policy and it even made FDR nervous. He and/or his teams were also not afraid of implementing short-term measures until they could put in place longer-term measures and those could become operational.
He and his teams and successors didn’t succeed in getting everything needed in place before the “reformers” moved in and began the great dismantling. The institutional robustness of what the New Dealers were able to accomplish is the primary reason why the “reformers” have yet to plunge the country into a second great depression. But they get closer every day.
Remember “Brownie” — the guy GWB hired to run FEMA?
Well, Sen. Cruz just might staff his whole administration with “Brownies.”
Robert Bateman – Ted Cruz’s National Security Advisor Has Zero National Security Experience
Read it — it actually gets worse.
Her freaking National Security Experience is working for Ronald Dumsfeld???????????????????
And we thought Marco Robo was a light weight.
By golly Booman. You’re writing some great pieces. I believe you are the most important blog on the internet at this time. Keep them coming, please.
To borrow from Gandhi, the free market would be a good idea.
Nobody in California cares what Orange County Republicans think (except them), so I’m not sure why anybody else would.
They are just talking to themselves.
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Thanks. That’s my feeling… The OC in CA? Who cares? Ditto for what some rightwinger working at Chapman U writes.
I think I’ve seen one episode of that TV show, “Real Housewives of Orange County.” That’s about 7 zillion brain cells lost forever. But watch it to learn all you need to know about Orange County. It was an earlier version (one of the first?) of the “Real Housewives” series, and from what little I saw, pretty realistic. I can’t speak about any of the others.
OC republicans live in their own little bubble world of endless plastic surgeries (females and males). I think the surgeries rot their brains or something.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_County,_California
Like all counties in SoCal, it’s incredibly diverse. Population…3 million. Large Asian population, and huge gay population (in either Laguna Beach or Newport Beach, I forget which).
I think most conservatives, not just Orange County ones, are talking to themselves. I know, and race with, plenty. Nobody out here listens much to them. Maybe people listen in other places, but here when they start squawking, most just walk away. It’s like they have an infectious disease.
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But if the Republicans are off in la-la land, fighting battles about human sexuality and embracing nativism, and Clinton represents more of a system that favors the already affluent, and if capitalism needs to address the legitimate concerns of millennials, then why isn’t Sanders the best solution on offer?
They can’t admit that Sanders really is just an FDR liberal with out the racism. What do you think would happen if they did? The GOP would be really screwed and so would the Wall Street wing of the Democratic Party.
Yes, that’s what this battle is all about. Billions of dollars. Dollars that buy politicians. And incredibly, one politician won’t take the dollars. He has to be marginalized and stilled. I still think it will be by an assassin’s bullet if he gets too close. Or a regrettable “accident” with a campaign airplane.
Don’t even think it — much less speak it. There was too much of that in ’08 wrt Obama.
OKay, but I don’t think the billionaires are ready to give up without a bloody fight. That’s the last word. If I mention it again, remind me I promised not to say that. One exception, if something does happen to Bernie, the promise is off.
They’re warming up a place for Bloomberg to step. The best billionaire they’ve got to throw into the ring because he has at least been elected to office and he’s also demonstrated the willingness to dump serious cash into his own campaign.
And he’s not a bible thumper or a country bumpkin. A New Yorker, one who tried to do sort of liberal things.
I can see it.
that’s what they’re thinking. not sure Bloomberg will be any better campaigner than Jeb? he’s entitled, not used to doing actual work, limited contact with citizens [he told nyers they had no right to know where he went on his downtime – to one of his estates somewhere in the world; during one blizzard ppl died and he was inaccessible], and only put his money in where he would see large % return [iirc he tripled his fortune while mayor], also potential to fight very mean, got law changed so he could have a third term – who’s he going to appeal to beside the hrc voters?
Exactly the strategy if Sanders were nominated. Tea Party votes like robots to stop the Socialist. Conservative, not crazy, (R)’s vote to stop taxes on themselves. HRC voters vote for him because he’s better than that bad man who robbed Hillary.
Ah, but he’s a “take away the guns and big gulps” guy. A total nanny.
And Obama ended up standing between them and the pitchforks. He told them so himself.
And those left of center, turned in their pitchforks along with their peace symbols. So, he was quite masterful in protecting the banksters.
But it wasnt unexpected. An elite who had Goolsbee out there mid campaign telling the other elites that his trade stuff was lies. It was right out there.
Bernie is the first guy I can ever remember where I havent just assumed it was lies.
True. But Obama was also regularly consulting with Stiglitz during the ’08 election. So, he also did a good job in bamboozling voters. Not that we had much of a choice since there wasn’t any doubt who Clinton was aligned with.
No there wasn’t. That was my rationale for voting Obama in 2008. HRC was and is a known quantity, one I’d rather avoid.
Or Michael Bloomberg. The backup candidate of the plutocrats of both parties.
That’s why there’s all the whiiiining about how Sanders is “boring,” and only says one thing and is only a one issue candidate. I don’t quite see it that way, but I find this particular accusation rather telling.
I think the plutocrats are not happy about Sanders.
Few things are more annoying (which they present as boredom, because public anger is a no-no emotion of the upper middle class) to the privileged than to hear about how their privilege comes at the cost of the vulnerable. By the same token, there are few things narcissists hate more than being nagged about their faults and the American upper middle class has always been more narcissistic than the other tiers, even the actual upper class.
At the very least, by the time a nominee is chosen, Sanders plus the actual economic facts on the ground will have gone a long way towards undoing forty years of hyper-capitalist brainwashing in this country.
Not if he loses. That will be vindication of the DLC.
I absolutely disagree with that statement. The Sandernistas are not going away, and Sanders himself, God willing, will continue. This will continue to put pressure on Hillary from the left. The issues are not going away either.
One of the aspects of this whole thing that hasn’t been discussed much, especially here, is that Sanders represents almost exactly the same phenomenon in American politics as Elizabeth Warren. This is becoming a very well defined bloc in the Democratic Party. It’s just not going away. It’s something we haven’t seen in decades.
living in Silicon Valley, I have to comment on this:
>>Sanders’ emphasis on income redistribution and protecting union privileges and pensions violates the favorite notions of the tech elite. “He’s an egalitarian liberal,” Ferenstein explains, “these people are tech liberals. Equality is a nonissue in Silicon Valley.”
Tech “liberals” don’t deserve the name, they’re much closer to libertarians. They’re the Bloomberg constituency; open-minded on some social issues but economic Republicans. There is nothing in the world they hate more than unions. Equality is a nonissue only for those white and asian men who have done very very well and are convinced it’s strictly because of merit.
And yet, their bosses treat them like shit. Wake up, ya bunch of wankers:
Inside Amazon: Wrestling Big
Ideas in a Bruising Workplace
They already have.
http://inthesetimes.com/article/18367/silicon-valleys-labor-uprising
http://gawker.com/silicon-valley-loves-bernie-sanders-1758187093
Ever see some of these wankers talk on Twitter? They can’t understand why the proles are pissed off. Everyone should love Uber like they do.
Silicon Valley isn’t the end-all, be-all of tech leftism, you know. It’s skewed that way because of Hollywood glamour and its high median income, but it ain’t. Don’t buy into the stereotypes.
The Emerging Democratic Majority identified the urban techie as one of the unsung bulwarks of the Democratic Coalition and for good reason. They’re only slightly less loyal to the Democratic Party than African Americans, and I mean by about 1-3% less loyal.
Here’s a 538 2012 election postmortem, back before they became defeatist bourgeois pragmatists: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/28/in-silicon-valley-technology-talent-gap-threaten
s-g-o-p-campaigns/
Well yeah, they want pure meritocracy and disruption out there because they think they’ll win and if you lose well you’re just obsolete.
Right, and if they lose they’ll scream foul and demand government bailouts.
Politico just did a survey of Democratic and Republican insiders — early state strategists, operatives, and activists — about the economy. The consensus is that Bernie is winning on the economic issues that have dominated the race.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/insiders-bernie-sanders-is-winning-the-economic-argument-21891
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Faced with the devastating Flint water crisis, MI legislators swung into action today – Bill criminalizing anal and oral sex passes Michigan Senate
(Never mind that Lawrence v. Texas was decided thirteen years ago. Roe was decided 43 years ago and state legislatures have been passing laws banning abortions ever since.)
The DNC gentry has NO answer for state leges and governors and is not likely to come up with any with the present tilt to neoliberalism.
And the states can deliver a LOT more economic pain than the national government.
Corporatism is a problem in our National Security policies, but cronyism is rampant in selling off the commons in the states and passing regressive increases to milk the poorest to the max.
Even the new gas tax is regressive, no? They think the small benefits to the poor of lower prices at the pump can take a bit of milking, too. Sheesh. Glad that has no chance of passing.