In one way, Donald Trump’s selection of Indiana Governor Mike Pence as his running mate is already a partial success. The early media narrative seems to be that Pence is a safe choice or, at a minimum, the least worst choice. And I obviously disagree, since I recently wrote that selecting Pence would make no sense at all.
Clearly, you can summon up worse options, but that’s not the same as saying that Pence is the least worst option that Trump had.
Let’s start with some things that are being said that simply aren’t true. Writing for the BBC, Anthony Zurcher says “In a year that has defied political conventions, he was a very conventional choice.”
But there’s absolutely nothing “conventional” about Mike Pence. He is a man who cannot say if he believes in the theory of evolution and has spent twenty years spreading doubt about climate change. He’s a man who wants teenage girls (including victims of incest) to get parental consent to use contraceptives, who has done all he can to deny contraception to women of every age, who signed a law mandating that all aborted fetuses should receive proper burials, who supports discrimination against gays and wants to withhold federal funding from any organization that “encourage(s) the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus.”
Is this now “conventional” politics?
His hostility to the LGBT community isn’t somehow mitigated because he disappointed some of his fellow-traveling extreme social conservatives and (partially) watered down a bill allowing legal discrimination against gays, lesbians and transgender people. His hostility to women’s reproductive health and freedom isn’t transformed into conventional pro-life ideology just because he consented to expand Medicaid under Obamacare.
Mike Pence isn’t remotely conventional on economic issues, either. During the Debt Ceiling Crisis, then-Rep. Pence insisted that any deal with the president include a Balanced Budget Amendment. The Balanced Budget Amendment is not only the dumbest idea ever promulgated by sentient beings, but it’s an amendment to the Constitution. Do you know how long it takes to pass a Constitutional amendment and how unreasonable it is to default on the nation’s debts because you insist on such a thing?
On foreign policy, a federal judge had to compel Gov. Pence to back down in his effort to block the resettlement of Syrian refugees because Pence didn’t care about the Constitution. He may have said that Trump’s absolute ban on Muslim immigration was unconstitutional, but that doesn’t make him a moderate or “conventional” on these issues.
Pence was an early joiner of the congressional Tea Party Caucus, which was led by the highly unconventional Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota. Pence chaired the Republican Study Committee, which is the most extreme right-wing policy shop in Congress.
Obviously, I could go on for a long time highlighting things about Pence that are alarming or ridiculous, but I’m trying to focus on things that set him apart from even mainstream conservatives. I mean, it matters that he loved the idea of fighting in Iraq or that he has rigorously supported the same kinds of free trade agreements that Trump opposes, but he’s not alone in those things.
To the degree that it can be legitimately argued that Pence is “conventional,” it’s an enormous testimony to how far right the party has drifted since the time of Jack Kemp and Dan Quayle and Poppy Bush and Gerald Ford. But it’s actually not true that we’ve seen someone this far right nominated before. No, not even Palin or Cheney were this radical across the board.
Now, another thing people are saying is that Pence will help the party unify around Trump, and I think that is probably true. But that still doesn’t make much sense as a political strategy. Trump doesn’t need the marginal people who voted for McCain and Romney because they both lost badly. He needs a differently shaped electorate. It’s only in this sense that Pence can perhaps help him. Trump wants to go after midwestern states, most of which have voted for Democrats rather consistently since 1988. Pence is the governor of a midwestern state, albeit, one without a Detroit or a Chicago or a Milwaukee. It’s at least possible that Pence can help Trump solidify some support in Ohio or Michigan.
But he isn’t going to reassure anyone with his conventionalism. He was a radical in Congress and he’d be a radical as vice-president. This narrative that he’s safe and conventional and reassuring is dangerous stuff and it needs to be aggressively rebutted.
See?
I’m a professional.
The press is not going to see it. It’s just a style issue.
You always have been. Thanks.
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He LOOKS conventional. He speaks quietly. He’s good looking with a head of distinguished grey hair. He wears expensive, stylish suits. He’s the guy you’d pick to play the governor or a CEO on a TV show or a Sci-Fi movie. That alone makes him a conventional pick. Who care’s what his policy positions are? We don’t want to bore people here and get into the weeds of inside baseball or anything.
The purveyors of conventional wisdom will see this as a safe and conventional choice and will praise it, because it is consistent with conventional wisdom.
I can’t wait for Mara Liasson to tell me Pence is a moderate conservative on NPR.
That’s as far to the right as her political needle goes. In her little world, no such thing as a Republican rightwing whackjob.
Nice way to make a living, I guess.
If Pence is an indicator, imagine what Trump will do to the courts.
What judges could a president Trump appoint without Senate confirmation? Why would Democratic Senators let through unqualified nominees when GOP Senators haven’t confirmed qualified Obama nominees?
Well, if Trump wins we’ll probably have a Republican Senate. We’ll almost certainly have one in 2019 after the 2000-2006-2012 cohort goes up with a midterm electorate.
Also, while the media is happy to let the Republicans off for blocking Garland and almost every other judicial nomination Obama makes, if it’s Democrats blocking almost all Republican nominees we’ll probably see “Judiciary Held Hostage” shows and a day count in the evening news like with the Iranian hostages.
How many Obama judicial nominations were held hostage by the GOP minority from 2009 to 2015?
With so many GOP Senators up for election this year, perhaps the Democratic party should have planned better to contest all those seats instead of offering more or the same and assuming mega-Hillary coattails.
Trump is a winner who wins will be the message, like it or not. After winning, he ain’t going to back down and neither will the Republicans. It’ll be the Dems who are accused of creating a constitutional crisis and there won’t be a filibuster if the Republicans control the Senate. Even if they don’t, it’s going to be hard to deny a freshly elected president his nominee.
The filibuster is already gone for all judicial nominees except for the Supreme Court. And if there’s ever a filibuster for a SC position it’ll go away for that too. R President + R Senate = whoever they want on the Court.
Yep. So crazy to think there is a segment of Americans who would toss their vote third party to see Trump elected. I wonder how long it would take them to see the mistake they made?
More interesting to contemplate is how the Green Party candidate would feel about the criminalization of dissent we’d see under a Trump administration. “It’s not my fault!”
It’s a “conventional” choice in the sense that it nails down a GOP faction that would struggle to vote for someone that Trump who isn’t a “conventional” religious/moral, anti-abortion scold, and who also has that time in elective office that Trump lacks.
Overlooked is that even in IN the guy’s approval rating has been around 40% and he has been struggling in his reelection bid. However, Pence is also a signal to that class of big money funders like the Kochs and other little known, nouveau riche religio-libertario types.
Trump may want to play to win, but he can’t begin to think about that if he first doesn’t play to match or better the results of McCain/Palin.
I’m puzzled what you mean by “religio-libertario”. Those seem to me like mutually exclusive categories.
The least mutually exclusive component of the compartmentalized rightwing brain. Perhaps you prefer Christo-free-market-capitalist. Pro-war and pro-life and anti-government is out there for being mutually exclusive, but wingers have no difficulty being staunchly for all three.
We don’t see eye to eye often Marie but I’m with you on this. Trump is solidifying his base with this pick while taking the least objectionable person willing to run with him. It was least horrible among a bunch of horrible options. That in no way makes it a good option. If Trump has managed not to alienate any female voters, Pence will. Democrats are not going to allow his record to go unchallenged. That would be political malpractice of the highest order. Say what you will about the Clintons, they know how to go on offense.
“Say what you will about the Clintons, they know how to go on offense.”
No shit: http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/15/politics/donald-trump-vp-rollout-hillary-clinton/index.html
He’s not a conventional nominee but he is a conventional republican. Its the past nominees that were out of mainstream GOP thought.
New polling points to a clear presidential favorite
07/15/16 11:13 AM
By Steve Benen
Just two days ago, Quinnipiac released new swing-state polling that rattled the political world: Donald Trump, the results said, is narrowly leading Hillary Clinton in Florida and Pennsylvania, and the two are tied in Ohio. Add third-party candidates to the mix, and Trump’s lead is even larger.
The reaction to this polling report was practically an earthquake. Democrats panicked, Republicans beamed, and pundits began saying it’s time to rethink previous assumptions and consider the possibility that Trump may be elected president in the fall. The data was treated as one of the week’s bigger political stories.
I have a hunch the new NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Marist poll, which is no less important, will generate far less attention.
In Colorado: Clinton leads Trump, 43% to 35%.
In Florida: Clinton leads Trump, 44% to 37%.
In North Carolina, Clinton leads Trump, 44% to 38%.
In Virginia, Clinton leads Trump, 44% to 35%.
“With 66 electoral votes at stake in these four states, Donald Trump is playing catch-up against Hillary Clinton,” Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist College Institute for Public Opinion, said.
It’s possible some of the chatter is the result of human nature: unexpected results seem more interesting than predictable results. The conventional wisdom is that Clinton is ahead, so when Quinnipiac challenges our assumptions, it’s perceived as wildly important, while polls that show Clinton with comfortable leads in Colorado, Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia seem routine.
It doesn’t fit the worldview of the horse racers or the chicken little liberals.
Polls are what polls are. Lots of time yet to go and shit happens. But if the current trends are realistic (and I have no reason to think they are not) we are looking at another Presidential landslide.
Whether or not that translates to results in the senate and house … whole nother question.
She’s ahead, it isn’t close to a blowout – and the polling contradicts itself.
My own read says she is up 4. Still hard to see how trump puts 270- together, but right now Clinton is too disliked to get to the 10+ win she should have and that I think she will have.
These polls were taken in the heat of Comey’s report. It wasn’t a good week for Clinton. But with the conventions coming up, expect bounces. But we get the last bounce.
Pence an Ideologue with a CAPITAL I
GOP senator: Confirming judges unrelated to `doing our jobs’
07/15/16 10:00 AM–UPDATED 07/15/16 10:11 AM
By Steve Benen
If there’s a compelling defense for how Senate Republicans are treating President Obama’s judicial nominees, no one has shared it yet. This goes well beyond the unprecedented mistreatment of Merrick Garland: Politico reported yesterday that this GOP-led Senate has confirmed “just 20 district and circuit court judges … a time when the vacancies are hampering the federal bench nationwide.”
This may seem like predictable partisanship – there’s a Democratic White House and a Republican majority in the Senate – but note that when Democrats ran the Senate for the final two years of the Bush/Cheney era, they approved 68 federal judges, more than triple what we’re seeing now.
Also note, some of the pending nominees who can’t get floor votes are jurists who enjoy bipartisan support. The White House routinely accepts consensus recommendations from senators from both parties, and there are plenty of judicial nominees championed by Republicans who are currently stuck – because GOP leaders want to shut down the confirmation process altogether out of partisan spite.
But the fight took an unintentionally funny twist yesterday when Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) said that when it comes to confirming judicial nominees, it’s not part of senators’ job. The Huffington Post reported:
Democrats including Sens. Elizabeth Warren (Mass.) and Mazie Hirono (Hawaii) made repeated requests Wednesday to confirm a batch of Obama’s judicial nominees who are ready for votes. Each time they tried, Tillis objected and suggested the Senate shouldn’t be spending time on judges.
“What we get are things that have nothing to do with doing our jobs,” he said. “I’m doing my job today and objecting to these measures so we can actually get back to pressing matters.”
I realize that Tillis, a far-right freshman, hasn’t quite learned how to be an effective senator yet – the North Carolinian just took office last year – but to say that confirming judicial nominees has “nothing to do with doing our jobs” is baffling.
I actually disagree with your analysis. All of the horrendous, ridiculous things Pence has done are now quite conventional for the GOP, when examined with even a modicum of objectivity. Yes, their party has gone that far into batshit craziness. To count as unconventional, you have to be even nuttier than that. Seriously. I am not being sarcastic here. Mike Pence’s beliefs are entirely in line with the majority of the national GOP at present, so he really does represent a conventional choice.
I think the more salient question to ask is why Pence would agree to run on Trump’s ticket. Even Joni Ernst, who is truly ludicrous, had enough sense to steer clear of that. What is Pence’s angle??
He isn’t a lock to win re-election in Indiana. If he loses the governorship of Indiana to a Democrat he is toast both nationally and locally.
By being VP, he essentially gets to sit out this election cycle, make speeches in the Mid-West and IN to buff his creds with no significant downside (after all its not the VP who loses the race).
Two years later? Presto Chango, Pence is back with shiny new creds.
Perhaps. But what are the odds for a political comeback for loser VPs, particularly when that loss puts them out of office or he/she was already out of office? Bill Miller (’64), Mondale (’80), Ferraro (’84), Quayle (’92), Kemp (’92), and Edwards (’04). Add in Palin who quit her day job after losing in ’08. Most of the VP losers attempt a comeback to secure the POTUS nomination, but recently only Mondale and Dole succeeded before losing again. (Lodge ’64, Muskie ’72, Mondale ’84, Quayle ’96, Lieberman ’04, Edwards ’08.)
I’m sorry, Marie, but I didn’t make it clear. I was speaking of locally in Indiana, not nationally.
Nationally, any current Republican who calls themselves “conservative” and has desires to be President has issues with reality. I’m not saying it can’t happen, but it sure doesn’t look likely.
However, Indiana has a Democrat coming up for re-election in 2018 to the Senate. You think Pence wouldn’t like to be a Senator?
Your comment was excellent and clear, and I agreed with it. I was merely pointing out that historically being VP on a losing ticket isn’t a career enhancer. Although it may be an entry point to a lucrative career on the speaker circuit and corporate boards. Also note that the GOP governors that seemed to be in trouble and managed to get a second term haven’t been doing well since then: Brownback, Christie, Walker.
Normally, you would be correct in that its not a great resume builder. But losing to a Democrat in a run for Gov is far worse than being 2nd dog in a losing effort.
He’ll have the support of the Trumpistas for the ’18 cycle which should be enough for him gain the nomination (all else being equal).
Whether or not that means a senate seat is up for grabs. Although in an off cycle, it is favourable for the R candidate.
Neither is especially propitious, but aren’t political career killers either. FDR did comeback from being the VP on a loser ticket.
Maybe you could look at Trump picking Pence is another signal that he is still running a base-oriented campaign. No pivot.
Trump has offended anyone who is not a knuckle-dragger, and Pence has in his own way been playing to that rabid base voter as well.
So maybe they have more in common than meets the eye.
And as many have pointed out Pence was in for a tough re-election. If your choice is losing the Governor’s race or losing with Trump, maybe Pence sees that the ride with Trump has more benefits. If they win, well, winning. If they lose, as long as Pence doesn’t do something stupid, it’ll all be on Trump and Pence can pretend he was the adult trying to “help the party thru the Trump affair”. He can go on to bigger and better things, if he play his cards right.
Part of this is just spin, honestly. Steve M.’s take is that Pence is no more radical than any other Republican, just look at their platform.
Okay, he’s arguing that we normalize Pence and marginalize his entire party.
Meanwhile, I am saying that this should never be normalized and that there’s nothing conventional about a guy who is on the fringes of his party. I am saying, keep the focus on Pence and make sure he’s the the one seen as out of the mainstream.
You can make both cases, but which one do you make? And why?
The same guy who was so sure about Bernie?
Pence’s views don’t look out of step with the people who won in 2014.
These views were normalized: by voters in 2014.
Maybe Pence’s angle is that he’s the in on the assassination plans.
Pence needs a job. He’s got college age kids + wife. He needs a job with health benefits. Same can be said of Christy.
It’s too bad that the Dems chose to run a Rockefeller Republican this year.
No comment on your comment, but let me ask you this: If someone’s politics are reasonably well described as “Rockefeller Republican”, is that person likely to be affiliated with the 2016 edition of the GOP? If not, with which party would he be affiliated?
What it’s like to be black in Naperville, America
Editor’s note: Brian Crooks moved to Naperville when he was in the 5th grade; his parents still reside here. On Saturday, he wrote a Facebook post about his experiences being an African-American living in America that has since gone viral and has elicited hundreds of comments from people around the world. Because of its length, we’re publishing excerpts here. To read the entire post, go here.
The first time I was acutely aware of my Blackness, I was probably 6 or 7 years old. Like, before then obviously I knew I was Black, but I hadn’t really had it put in my face like this until I was about 6 or 7. I used to go to daycare back then, and we went on a field trip to a water park one time. One of the other boys from the daycare came up to me and told me he was surprised I was going on the trip because his dad told him all colored people were afraid of the water since we sink to the bottom. He didn’t know he was being offensive. He was just curious why someone who would sink to the bottom would want to go to a water park.
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From elementary school through middle school, I can’t remember how many times the White kids asked if they could touch my hair. I’m not kidding when I say it happened pretty much once a week at least. At first, it didn’t bother me. But eventually I felt like an exhibit in a petting zoo. And I didn’t have the vocabulary to explain to them that it was really weird that they kept asking to touch my hair all the time. See, I was a pretty shy kid. I was the only Black one, I was overweight, and I’d moved three times before I turned 10. So, rather than tell the White kids that no, they couldn’t rummage through my hair, I just said yes and sat there quietly while they marveled at how my hair felt.
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I got pulled over a lot in high school. Like, a lot a lot. By this point, I was no longer driving the Dodge. I had a Mazda of my own. It was flashy and loud, but this was 2002 and everybody with a Japanese car was doing a Vin Diesel impression, so it’s not like mine stood out that much more than anyone else’s. I spent a ton of money on my car and was especially aware of its appearance. You can understand, then, why it was weird that I was routinely pulled over for a busted taillight. After all, that’s the kind of thing I would’ve noticed and gotten fixed, especially if that taillight tended to burn out once a week or so. My parents had told me how to act when pulled over by the police, so of course I was all “Yes sir, no sir” every time it happened. That didn’t stop them from asking me to step out of the car so they could pat me down or search for drugs, though. I didn’t have a drop of alcohol until I was 21, but by that point I was an expert at breathalyzers and field sobriety tests. On occasion, the officer was polite. But usually, they walked up with their hand on their gun and talked to me like I’d been found guilty of a grisly homicide earlier in the day. A handful of times, they’d tell me to turn off the car, drop the keys out the window, and keep my hands outside the vehicle before even approaching.
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I’ve never had a Black boss. I played football from middle school through senior year of high school and only had one Black coach in that whole time. Not just head coaches, I’m talking about assistants and position coaches. I’ve had two Black teachers in my entire life. One was for my Harlem Renaissance class, and one was for my sign language class. I’ve never been to a Black doctor, or a Black dentist. I’ve never been pulled over by a Black police officer. What I’m trying to explain is that, in 31 years, I’ve seen three Black people in a position of authority. Think about what that does to the psyche of a growing young man. I remember being excited just a few years ago when we started to see Black people in commercials without there being gospel or hip hop music in the background (remember that McDonald’s commercial where the little kid was pop-locking with the chicken McNuggets?).
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When we say “Black Lives Matter,” understand what that actually means. We aren’t saying that ONLY Black lives matter. We’re saying “Black lives matter TOO.” For the entirety of the history of this country, Black lives have not mattered. At a minimum, they haven’t mattered nearly as much as White lives. If a Black person kills another Black person, and we have it on tape, the killer goes to jail. If a White police officer kills a Black person and we have it on tape, the entire judicial system steps up to make sure that officer doesn’t go to jail.
That is why Black people are in such pain right now. The deaths are bad enough. But having the feeling that nobody will ever actually be held accountable for the deaths is so much worse. And then watching as the police union, the media, and conservative politicians team up to imagine scenarios where the officer did nothing wrong, and then tell those of us who are in pain that our pain is wrong, unjustified, and all in our heads just serves to twist the knife.
If you read all this, I really, really want to say thank you. I know it was a lot to get through. But this is real. This is me. This is what my life is and has been. And I’m not alone.
Hey, thanks for posting this.
It’s disappointing that Trump didn’t make the VP wannabes compete against each other in an “apprentice” like fashion. That would have been great- At the last week, it would have come down to Newt and little Mikee competing to build the best wall for Ivanka’s garden or something like that… I’d bet the media would have gone along with it as well. Well at least you know MSNBC would have. Now that the polls have tightened, maybe the Herr Drumpf thinks that it is time to hang up his reality clown show act and behave like a more traditional politician. Really, it’s a shame, the VP selection process could have been so much more entertaining.
With Obama, the Personal Is Presidential
Timothy Egan
JULY 15, 2016
We always knew he could keep his head when others were losing theirs and blaming him, knew it from the 2008 financial crisis and on to the hard, lasting words he spoke at Tuesday’s memorial for the slain police officers in Dallas.
What we didn’t know, what could not be predicted of one so young and new to the impossible task of living round-the-clock under the glare of the entire world, was how Barack Obama would hold up as a father, a husband, a man.
No matter what you think of Obama the executive branch, it’s hard to argue that Obama the human being has been anything less than a model of class and dignity. If, as was often said about black pioneers in sports, you had to be twice as good to succeed, Obama’s personal behavior has set a standard few presidents have ever reached.
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You see him teasing, bantering or dancing with his wife of nearly a quarter-century. And while no outsider can know what goes on inside another’s marriage, you can’t help feeling some of the joy of that union. They still finish each other’s sentences.
It’s not fair to give him his due as a person, his high grade for character, for being scandal-free in his private life, just because a potential successor has no character, no class, and breaches a new wall of civility every time he opens his mouth. If Obama had bragged about infidelities and the size of his genitals, if Obama had talked about wanting to date his own daughter and reduced women to a number on a hotness scale, it would be about race. But when Donald Trump says such things, nobody ties it to his being white, nor should they. Trump is a singular kind of vulgarian.
And those who praise Obama as a model father or husband for the black family do him a disservice. He’s a model, without asterisk for race. It’s a hard thing to go nearly eight years as the most powerful man in the world without diminishing the office or alienating your family. He’s done that, and added a dash of style and humor and a pitch-perfect sense for being consoler in chief.
I agree completely. He’s a great man and a great president by any standard. I’m white and would love to have half as much class, integrity, kindness and pure ability.
Meanwhile, there’s a mad scramble as Indiana Republicans jockey for position.
Recently appointed Lt. Gov. Eric Holcomb (another ideologue) has also withdrawn from his ballot spot, hoping, no doubt, for a bump up to top banana. Reminds me of the demolition derbies that run during the midwestern county fairs around this time of the summer.
Any chance for some Dems to pick up seats being abandoned by the scramblers?
We’re very close on governor and my district (IN-9) is an open seat with a wealthy carpetbagger GOP candidate from Tennessee. Our candidate just made the Red to Blue list, so not looking too bad.
Excellent!
And if you think, even rhetorically, that Trump might win and walk away to earn mega bucks…how gross would it be with Mike Pence has President?
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So what are the chances Trump will dump this ass before the convention?