The Cleveland police union president is so concerned about people carrying guns (legally) around the Republican National Convention that he doesn’t even care if it violates the Ohio constitution to deny them their rights for the next few days.
CLEVELAND, OHIO — Hours after the head of Cleveland’s police union pleaded with the governor to suspend Ohio’s open-carry laws during the Republican National Convention, Donald Trump’s spokesperson told ThinkProgress she is “not nervous at all” that people are walking around the city with assault weapons.
“I am recommending that people follow the law,” Katrina Pierson said Sunday when asked whether she believes people should arm themselves in the convention zone. Under Ohio law, residents over 21 years old who have permits can openly carry guns in public.
In light of the shooting and death of three police officers in Baton Rouge on Sunday, the Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Association asked for an emergency suspension of the state’s open-carry law for the duration of the Republican National Convention.
“We are sending a letter to Gov. [John] Kasich requesting assistance from him,” union president Stephen Loomis told CNN. “He could very easily do some kind of executive order or something — I don’t care if it’s constitutional or not at this point.” Kasich denied the union’s request.
Just try imagining yourself as the wife or son or daughter of a Cleveland law enforcement officer who has to report to work for the convention. How do you think you would feel about the constitutional right for people to carry semiautomatic rifles and handguns into that zone while the country is experiencing a trend of police being targeted for death?
But Governor Kasich is correct that he can’t just “arbitrarily suspend federal and state constitutional rights or state law as suggested” by the police union.
On the other hand, the police don’t have to agree to patrol an area if they think it represents an unreasonable risk of death or injury. They could essentially go on strike and see what the governor thinks about what’s permissible in those circumstances. I know that if someone in my family was expected to patrol the convention, I’d be relieved if they refused to report for duty. I don’t see this particular constitutional provision as being something worth dying for.
Of course, police officers aren’t the only ones who should feel uneasy, since the convention is obviously a prime terrorism target. You don’t need a refrigerator truck if you can just stroll right into the area with a loaded AR-15. The Trump campaign can recommend that “people follow the law” all they want, but that won’t keep the Republican delegates, the media, the police, or the protestors safe. The idea that people will be safer with all those “good guys with guns” watching out for any “bad guys with guns” is ludicrous.
Just imagine what will happen if the Black Lives Matters protestors decide to come packing heat.
Thomas Answeeney, a 25-year-old who traveled to Cleveland from Buffalo, New York to protest against Trump, pointed out what he views as hypocrisy in enforcement of the state’s gun laws.
“Open carry is apparently a very two-sided thing, because we can’t open carry,” he told ThinkProgress while marching through the streets of Cleveland on Sunday with Black Lives Matter supporters and other activists.
“If anyone here at this demonstration against Trump was openly carrying, we’d be on the fucking floor with cuffs, at best,” he continued. “I think it’s disgusting… It’s always a double standard.”
Even if the law were equitably applied and enforced, a bunch of trigger-happy vigilantes with guns aren’t going to be too relaxed about black anti-police violence protestors who are heavily armed. The potential for a shootout is palpable, and there will be plenty of bystanders.
That we’re willing to put up with this level of known and obvious risk when we go to such extremes to intercept phone calls and email, to inconvenience people at airports, and violate our constitutional principles in order to keep people indefinitely detained…?
We’ve become a nation of bedwetters except for when it comes to letting people walk around with guns that can kill dozens in a few minutes. We’re absurdly brave about that scenario, even when we see first graders mowed down in their classrooms or entire nightclubs decimated in the time it takes police to respond to a 911 call.
If the Cleveland police don’t want to work under these circumstances, I can certainly see why. They’ll probably do their duty anyway, and they deserve a lot of credit for that. But I hope they continue to be allies in the effort to get some sanity into our gun laws. Their jobs are dangerous enough without these absurd rules.
What could possibly go wrong??
Thank you for depressing me. I hadn’t even though about that one.
Well, right. Welcome to the Trump era, when the right finally learns what happens when you insist on bullshit for decades without giving any thought to the repercussions.
I’m enjoying it (even though I’m obviously not “enjoying” the gun violence any more than anyone can get any pleasure or satisfaction out of any kind of difficult, possibly revolutionary societal reform that involves any kind of strife). So, Obama’s a Muslim, huh? And regulations are bad, and guns keep us safe? Great. Go out there and be safe, Republicans. Welcome to the world you made, and you have absolutely nobody to blame but yourselves.
Yes, the “conservative” insanity is coming home to roost, although even now the country can’t put 2+2 together. Palpably dangerous and unreasonable “policies” at every turn, all in service to a crackpot ideology of Freedum! (for white males). From gun lunacy to global warming to taxes. Nothing the American right advocates can ever work. Most of it simply increases societal risk.
What a surprise that working tirelessly to achieve a nation awash in high powered firearms and conceal/carry and open carry and every other kind of oh-so-essental “carry” crapola would result in extreme difficulties and danger for police and perhaps even be part of the endless reckless police shootings of citizens. Since everyone should be carrying a semi-automatic as a means of keeping Murica “safe” from the bad guys.
“The answer to gun violence is more guns!!” This would be comedic satire in another age; it’s touted as the height of intellect in the Conservative Era. Flawless thinking, as can clearly be seen. Good luck Cleveland, your fellow citizens gave the state to Repub loons and now you can (safely) hole up in your basements! During a massive heat wave! That’s “conservatism”!
Hell, how about if the Cleveland police officer’s Union demanded a permanent repeal of Ohio’s open carry laws? That would be completely constitutional. Instead, they’re pussyfooting around with an arrogant, self-concerned demand for an “emergency” suspension which they admit is unconstitutional.
It’s worth mentioning now that the Cleveland Division of Police is working under the terms of a consent decree with the Justice Department:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-reaches-agreement-city-cleveland-reform-cleveland-
division-police
“Justice Department Reaches Agreement with City of Cleveland to Reform Cleveland Division of Police Following the Finding of a Pattern or Practice of Excessive Force”
The CDP is the first Police Department in the history of the United States to be charged with overseeing public safety and protecting Constitutional rights at a major Party Convention while under this level of Justice Department oversight.
Also: Trump needs to take Ohio to win a majority of the nation’s Electoral College votes. This doesn’t make a Trump win in Ohio look likely:
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/07/17/ohio-delegates-still-iffy-about-trump-surve
y-shows.html
Excited about Trump? Not the Ohio delegation
By Jessica Wehrman
The Columbus Dispatch
Monday July 18, 2016 5:54 AM
Even as they prepare to attend the first Republican National Convention the state has held in 80 years, many of Ohio’s delegates say they are underwhelmed by presumptive nominee Donald Trump and unsure what he’ll do to his party’s chances this fall.
More than one in five — 22 percent — said in a Dispatch survey they will not vote for Trump. Another 44 percent said they would vote for Trump “but not actively work on behalf of his campaign.” About 34 percent of the delegates, made up of party leaders and activists, said they were prepared to vote for him and campaign on his behalf.
Fewer than three-fourths of Ohio GOP delegates say Trump will win in November. Perhaps more stunning, 85 percent said Trump was “not the best possible” candidate to head the GOP ticket.
GOTV operations aren’t everything, but in a race which is within 5 to 10 percentage points they’re very important.
From Tony Schwartz, the man who actually wrote “The Art of the Deal,” Donald Trump’s 1987 bestseller. Schwartz is sorry about that. An excerpt from The New Yorker piece:
Just another loser! They are legion…
One of the problems with gun control is that the law enforcement community is not united on such issues as the opposition of semi-assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines. In larger cities police chiefs favor gun control, but they are appointed. Sheriffs in rural areas are against gun control, but they are elected. This is another example–and it’s a big one–where politics trumps good policy.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/28/16740488-police-chiefs-sheriffs-divided-over-gun-control-
measures?lite
Along with county commissioners, sherrifs tend to be the most wingnuttily “conservative”* of all elected officials, particularly in rural counties (at least here in the west, though I expect the same generalization probably holds in the south, at least, and likely most everywhere else). Counties with significant urban areas (even sometimes relatively small ones) tend to buck this trend.
*”scare quotes” obligatory in my view, since there’s so much decidedly non-conservative extreme radicalism and assorted other idiocies (e.g., climate denialism, science/Reality-denialism more generally) that pervade the current so-called “Conservative Movement”. The oxymoronic “principle”, Conservatives Against Conservation (gospel within modern “movement conservatism”) being a prime example.
Tom Sullivan at digby’s place:
Does Trump Have a Ceiling at 42%?
by David Atkins
July 17, 2016 2:53 PM
A slew of new national polls are out today showing Clinton with a modest but substantial lead over Donald Trump going into the conventions. It’s important, of course, not to put too much emphasis on national polling right now even in the aggregate. But the new numbers do make an interesting suggestion about the state of the race.
It’s obvious that Clinton has an advantage somewhere in the mid-single digits. We also know that regardless of the national numbers, Trump faces a steep uphill climb in the electoral college. But the upper bound number that demands attention in the latest three polls.
First is the ABC/Washington Post poll showing Clinton ahead of Trump by four: 47% to 43%
Second is the CNN/ORC poll giving Clinton a 7-point edge: 49% to 42%.
Third is the NBC/WSJ poll with Clinton beating Trump by 5: 46% to 41%.
On election day one of the candidates will reach 50% barring an unusually high number of third party votes. Both candidates will see their numbers rise as disaffected and undecided voters come home.
I’m just totally making this number up, but I bet that he has a solid ~40%, and another 3-5% that will pull the lever for him but are self-conscious enough to say they are independents.
I find it hard to believe that in a state under GOP control it would be legal for the police to go on strike. (Hell, is a police strike legal anywhere in the US?) Still, the idea of the Cleveland cops refusing to police the convention is fascinating.
Well, they don’t have to go on strike to go on strike.
They can just stay out of “those” areas.