I guess I’d ask the always wrong William Kristol if “cartoonism” is, like pornography, something that is devilishly hard to define but easy to spot? Because I get that Donald Trump is somehow a facsimile of an actual Republican politician, and that, despite being a nominee for president, he’s not quite meant to be taken literally or seriously. I even acknowledge that Trump provides the dictionary definition of “cartoonish” in his unrealistically simplified “build-a-wall” policies and his sickly humorous exaggerations (95% of blacks will vote for me!).
But when Kristol says “when we descend from a politics with cartoonish touches to a politics of cartoonism, we become unmoored,” I have to wonder “unmoored from what?”
In the end, what was the conservatism of Bill Kristol ever moored to?
I mean, we’ve all seen the debacle that is Florida politics, which offers a bipartisan feast of disgrace and degradation. I’m beginning to wonder if anyone or any party is moored to anything anymore.
But Kristol, in particular, interests me. What does he really stand for other than neoconservatism? Anything?
Bueller?
And how is Trump really a departure for other conservatives? They do, after all, seem to like him.
I don’t even need to pick the low-hanging fruit (Kristol, more than anyone, promoted Sarah Palin as a potential running mate) to question the premise of Kristol’s case here. His old boss, Dan Quayle, was chosen despite his cartoonish characteristics because he was young and blonde and conventionally handsome and socially conservative and Midwestern, but not because he knew the first thing about Mikhail Gorbachev or Ayatollah Khomeini or Saddam Hussein.
Without getting into the strong points Ronald Reagan brought to the table, it’s not in dispute that he was a B-List actor by training and disposition. It was easy for him to be a facsimile of a president, and easy for us to suspend our disbelief.
Even Eisenhower was brought from central casting, as he was far less a Republican than an established leader of men. He was chosen because an actual Republican, like Robert Taft, was never going to be acceptable.
Or maybe you bought George W. Bush as a brush-clearing rancher, but I hope you noticed that Laura moved them out of that place about five minutes after they left the White House and bought a more appropriate dwelling in the Dallas suburbs where the couple actually belongs.
It seems to me that the Republicans have only ever been politically successful when they’ve given us some kind of put-on. When they’ve given us someone real, like Dole or McCain, the people have regurgitated them with extreme prejudice.
There’s something cartoonish about the right, and Trump seems like a natural successor or consequence. Kristol says that “conservatism in particular suffers” from cartoonism, “since so many conservative arguments are appeals to reality against wishfulness and oversimplification.”
But that seems to always be a variation on “the poor will always be with us so it’s pointless to take my money to buy a pauper’s kid a school lunch.”
This is what has passed on the right for decades as realism and seriousness.
But it’s always been a charade. It’s also a cloak or a mask for selfishness and greed that they gussy up in Bill Buckley style and sell us as intellectualism.
It’s not that I don’t see the cartoonish nature of Trump. It’s that I see fake jokes everywhere I look, and I still haven’t found what any of it’s moored to other than a dollar sign.
I didn’t know Laura sold the ranch. Somehow I feel even worse about the Bush decade.
Oh yeah. It took Laura all of a NY minute to off-load that thing and shift herself and W to the tony suburb in Big D, where they actually, you know, fit in. That whole ranch thing was, uh, cartoonish to begin with. Shrub was a legacy silver spoon born, bred & educated in the NorthEast in tony private schools. He was about as Texan as I am.
Granted, he’s lived in TX for long time now, but not a true Texan really. Certainly not a rancher.
But go figure: Shrub’s fans all loved it that he allegedly “lived” on a ranch.
Gene Lyons pointed that out from the git-go. He noted Bush had a ranch with no horses, and he couldn’t ride anyway.
Say what you will about Reagan, at least he could ride a horse.
Thus the phrase of the 2004 election: “All hat. No cattle.”
Bush bought the year before he ran for president and sold it a year after he was done. It was a stage prop.
FWIW, and it’s not that much really: The Bushes don’t live in the suburbs, but in a wealthy section of Dallas proper. I’d say their location is very close to the geographical center of Dallas, even.
They didn’t and still haven’t sold it. GWB wanders over to it every once in a while. But it was a prop. Just as Reagan’s ranch was (sold about a decade after he left office) and Nixon’s western WH was (sold some dozen years of so after he left office).
This became more of a thing after JFK and LBJ had effectively made use of their real estate/properties during their terms in office. Nixon purchased his property shortly after he was elected. Carter had his farm. GHWB had his Maine vacation home but no personal, all season bolthole. Remains to be seen if the Obama’s retain their Chicago house, but they have made much use of it since he was elected.
Dead wrong 100% of the time Bill Kristol embodies cartoonishness.
It seems to me that the GOP has always loved being cartoons. They certainly don’t enjoy trucking in reality, do they?
Fox? Cartoons.
Rush? A big fat cartoon.
And so on.
Reagan was an actor, who was cartoonish, but boy did the rubes, er, constituents love him for it.
I don’t get it. I never have. But my GOP family all go for these cartoonish politicians (especially, shudder, Palin), but they appear to have drawn the line at Trump. Whether they’ll capitulate later is an open question, but at the moment they’re thoroughly disgusted with him.
From where I sit, I don’t see why. I mean, seriously, imo, Trump really isn’t that different from all the other 17 or 18 idiots who ran in the primary? Yeah, he’s cruder and ruder, but what he espouses is pretty much standard issue GOP policies. His fans love him because he doesn’t deal in “political correctness.” Well that’s true, and imo, Trump IS the GOP. This is who they are and what they stand for.
Cartoonish? When haven’t they been that?
being disgusted by Trump’s is baffling indeed.
Trump is unpopular with Republicans who pretend to be offended at bigotry.
Jewish Republicans instinctively feel where Trump’s form of bigotry is heading. For some of them, it is not pretense but actual alarm. Kristol has yet to show quite that level of alarm. At least not publicly.
Booman writes:
Precisely, Booman.
Good on ya!!!
What took you so long?
AG
Noticed that too. I think he’s coming around; well done.
Arthur, I’m not sure a guy who routinely endorses bizarre, fact-free conspiracy theories should complain about other people being “unmoored.”
Suit yourself, DiTourno.
I do.
AG
Great!! Now you’re talking!
The only way you can pretend that the modern conservative movement has not brought catastrophe in foreign policy, economic policy, political process, and public discourse is to treat it as a Marvel cartoon populated with superheroes and supervillians. And every election that is what we get out of political ads and pundits like Bill Kristol.
Cartoonish narratives create cartoonish politics.
More people need to state out loud that the modern conservative movement has created a catastrophe. They’ve been persuasive of a lot of formerly sober and serious-minded people who now only can talk in cartoon voices.
And draw cartoonish responses from Democratic politicians and progressive activists.
Most things that are not cartoons get tagged tl;dr in current political culture. Most things that are not cartoons are not popular with most people who view them like “eating their spinach”, a cartoonish turn of phrase they often use to dismiss serious policy discussion.
Most people grew up with cartoons; most people have time pressures that allow only for cartoons.
And then when they get cartoon candidates, they complain. Bill Kristol, you built that.
Side note, but I went to a local brewery down here in South Carolina for a good bye party for a friend, and who would be holding a fundraiser but none other than Joe “You Lie” Wilson. Blech. Ruining my evening, sir, by your presence.
I have adopted regarding Republicans;
Try it yourself.
Most of the talk we hear from the right these days could be characterized as cartoonish. Still, it is not much of a joke. It is serious business. It masks a hatred in many, if not most, contexts. The best way to deliver that message is with short phrases and key words, dog whistles for those in the know. It is a mix of outright lies, half truths and omissions. Many folks do not spend much time on politics excepting when it is forced down their throats. And then it is bite size. Arguing with much of it is a fools errand. It is a promise for a really big gotcha, usually just around the next lie.
This raises an interesting question. Cartoonism in the GOP may be older than anyone is suggesting. Progressivism in the GOP was spun off in 1912 and left it in third place. It roared back in 1920 with a man that looked the part of a president which made him an easy sell, but he didn’t even want the damn job. Succeed by “silent Cal.”
Herbert Hoover wasn’t a cartoon and was more Teddy Roosevelt than Taft, but it was too little too late.
Teddy’s wild child, Alice, furthered the cartoonish imagery of the GOP:
Only one GOP nominee is known to have been a bridge to far for the lifelong Republican Alice. That was Goldwater.
IKE was somewhat cartoonish in his day — he delegated and then played golf. The thing with performance art is that it has to become more extreme with each subsequent production to continue to entertain until it ultimately becomes so extreme that it collapses on itself and loses everything that initially made it interesting. Trump could actually be peak GOP cartoon, but I seem to recall something similar being said about Nixon, and then Reagan, and then Bush and Qualye, and then another Bush and Darth, and then Palin, and then whatever Romney was. So, liberals kind of suck at this sort of evaluation.
White House dot gov August 30, 2016.
Perpetual state of emergency because 9/11, 9/11, 9/11.
Four years to defeat (with a lot of help from out Russkie enemies) two countries that declared war on us, one of which actually attacked us and destroyed the USN Pacific Fleet. It’s now fifteen years since 9/11. Young (and voting age) Americans have zero, real-time personal memory of that day.