You probably already suspected that Donald Trump has no policy chops, but reading his answers to ScienceDebate.org‘s “Top 20 Science, Engineering, Tech, Health & Environmental Issues in 2016” survey will confirm this for you. Hillary Clinton and Jill Stein both provided substantive, thoughtful and literate answers to the questions. Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson was apparently too busy thinking about weed and looking up Basra and Riyadh on his global atlas to submit any responses.
Honestly, I don’t know why Trump bothered. Contrasted to Clinton and Stein, what he wrote looks for all the world like what a disinterested teenager would produce after some prompting from a science-challenged parent. It’s good enough to avoid getting Johnson’s ‘incomplete,’ but worthy of nothing better than a C-minus.
For example, when asked how to assure that America continues to lead the world in science and technology so that we remain at the forefront of innovation, Jill Stein talks about freeing up more money for research and development by reducing Pentagon spending, and she offers her college debt forgiveness and free college plans as ways to educate more people. Clinton promises universal pre-K, strong STEM programming in every school, “debt-free college and support for high-quality apprenticeships and training programs.” She then goes into much more detail:
Both basic and applied research are major drivers of innovation. As President, I will work with Congress to ensure that government funding of research is sufficient to allow for multi-year planning, exploration of emerging research areas, and inflation-adjusted costs. Funding is needed not only for the basic science research agencies and the large science and engineering mission agencies but also for the broader universe of agencies that are increasingly dependent on STEM for their missions.
The innovation payoff comes from the commercialization of research results. The first step is what universities call “technology transfer” and the medical community calls “translation” – demonstrating the use of research results in practice and sharing the knowledge with the business community. The government has a critical role to play at this stage by opening access to and sharing government-funded research results. I will support the development of collaborative consortia that accelerate the creation of new industries while providing valuable feedback to researchers. As part of my plan to create more good-paying jobs, I will also invest in “Make it in America” partnerships that will make America the first choice for manufacturing by harnessing regional strengths, supporting manufacturers up and down the supply chain, and ensuring international competitiveness by improving industrial energy efficiency by one-third within a decade.
But Trump begins by arguing that entrepreneurs can increase consumer choice of already existing products if the government reduces barriers to entry and then argues that high tariffs and trade restrictions will somehow ensure that America remains at the forefront of innovation. Whatever the merits of those policies, I don’t see how they’ll keep America at the forefront of science and technology. On a substantive level, Trump says that we ought to encourage innovation in space exploration (whatever that means) and provide research monies “across the broad landscape of academia.”
This is straight unresponsive pablum, and it’s repeated with his answer on Climate Change, which is almost unbelievable:
There is still much that needs to be investigated in the field of “climate change.” Perhaps the best use of our limited financial resources should be in dealing with making sure that every person in the world has clean water. Perhaps we should focus on eliminating lingering diseases around the world like malaria. Perhaps we should focus on efforts to increase food production to keep pace with an ever-growing world population. Perhaps we should be focused on developing energy sources and power production that alleviates the need for dependence on fossil fuels. We must decide on how best to proceed so that we can make lives better, safer and more prosperous.
Let’s start with the basics. Trump is a “climate change” hoaxer, which is why those words appear in “scare quotes” in his response.
Ice storm rolls from Texas to Tennessee – I'm in Los Angeles and it's freezing. Global warming is a total, and very expensive, hoax!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 6, 2013
So, while we should investigate this fake thing people keep talking about, maybe our time and scarce resources would be better spent protecting our water supplies (by abolishing the EPA, for example) or by doing something about diseases that linger. Or, we could grow some food or make some clean energy. At some point in the future, we can decide how to prioritize this stuff, you know, after you elect me your president.
Of course, Climate Change has a negative impact on the supply and quality of our water, spreads tropical mosquito-borne diseases, and causes droughts and other disruptions to our weather patterns that result in crop loss. Trump’s plan is like studying how to put out the fire in the living room and den without doing anything about the pyromaniac who keeps setting the house aflame.
When asked about the threat arising from mass extinctions and the loss of biodiversity, Trump goes on a diatribe about “agencies filled with unelected officials who have been writing rules and regulations that cater to special interests and that undermine the foundational notion of our government that should be responsive to the people.” His bottom line?
“In a Trump administration, there will be shared governance of our public lands and we will empower state and local governments to protect our wildlife and fisheries.”
After he abolishes the EPA, I guess he won’t have other options than letting the Mississippi legislature protect our Gulf waters and letting the governor of Alaska protect our fisheries. Of course, you couldn’t learn that from reading his 9th Grade-level written response here.
When asked how to protect against cyberattacks and other national security threats while protecting our privacy, Trump really shows his stuff:
The United States government should not spy on its own citizens. That will not happen in a Trump administration. As for protecting the Internet, any attack on the Internet should be considered a provocative act that requires the utmost in protection and, at a minimum, a proportional response that identifies and then eliminates threats to our Internet infrastructure.
I’m pretty sure my precocious six-year old could do better than that. Evidently, English isn’t Trump’s first language. After you get attacked, it’s a little late to do the “utmost in protection” and a proportional response to being attacked is to attack back in a similar manner, not to identify and eliminate the threat. As for “not spying” on American citizens, that would be a very radical policy change necessitating the elimination of the National Security Agency on Day One of the Trump administration. Their monitoring programs sweep up American communications as a matter of course. If Trump wants to curtail existing NSA surveillance, he needs to explain what programs he wants to discontinue or what further judicial oversight, minimization and compartmentalization he wants to see implemented. I haven’t heard Trump suggesting that he’ll immediately overhaul our intelligence gathering activities upon entering office, so unless you believe the U.S. government isn’t spying on its own citizens in the first place, his promise here is a simple lie.
On mental health, Trump says “This entire field of interest must be examined.” On public health, we’ll be “assessing where we need to be as a nation.”
On nuclear power, he’s positively Palinesque. And, remember, this was a take-home test: “We can make nuclear power safer, and its outputs are extraordinary given the investment we should make.” On ocean health, he likewise has no clue: “my administration will work with Congress to establish priorities for our government and how we will allocate our limited fiscal resources.”
I particularly like Trump’s answer to this question:
Q: Agriculture involves a complex balance of land and energy use, worker health and safety, water use and quality, and access to healthy and affordable food, all of which have inputs of objective knowledge from science. How would you manage the US agricultural enterprise to our highest benefit in the most sustainable way?
TRUMP: The implication of your question is that there should be central control of American agriculture by the federal government. That is totally inappropriate. The agriculture industry should be free to seek its best solutions through the market system. That said, the production of food is a national security issue and should receive the attention of the federal government when it comes to providing security for our farmers and ranchers against losses to nature.
I don’t even know where to begin with that response, and neither will any of the Republicans in Congress serving on the Agriculture committees. Perhaps they can cover agricultural concerns with a Homeland Security subcommittee. They can discuss crop insurance and nothing else, apparently.
Next we have Trump’s “the answer is yes, the answer is no” response to a question on how science will inform his regulatory scheme: “Science will inform our decisions on what regulations to keep, rescind or add. A vibrant, robust free market system will regulate the private sector.”
When asked how to enlist science in the effort to combat the opioid catastrophe, here is Trump’s response: “We first should stop the inflow of opioids into the United States. We can do that and we will in the Trump administration.”
He doesn’t promise to limit or curtail the inflow of opioids, but to “stop” it. Maybe he’ll do this with his magic wall. He won’t do it with a scientific wall, however, and he has no ideas to offer on how to “enlist researchers, medical doctors and pharmaceutical companies in addressing this issue.”
It’s remarkable how often Trump responds to these questions by saying he’ll look into it later or he’ll work something out with Congress or he’ll listen to the stakeholders.
Imagine doing a job interview this way where you’re basically saying, “Just give me the job and I’ll tell you what I think sometime in the future.”
Where Trump actually does offer policies in his responses, they’re about trashing the Department of Education or Environmental Protection Agency. He offers rhetorical support for vaccinations, a well-funded space program, and (by implication) some modifications to HIPAA that would make it easier for the mentally ill to get care from their families.
As for whether his administration would politicize science like the Bush administration, Trump assures us: “Science is science and facts are facts. My administration will ensure that there will be total transparency and accountability without political bias.”
It's really cold outside, they are calling it a major freeze, weeks ahead of normal. Man, we could use a big fat dose of global warming!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 19, 2015
This very expensive GLOBAL WARMING bullshit has got to stop. Our planet is freezing, record low temps,and our GW scientists are stuck in ice
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 2, 2014
Any and all weather events are used by the GLOBAL WARMING HOAXSTERS to justify higher taxes to save our planet! They don't believe it $$$$!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 26, 2014
The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 6, 2012
A wonderful critique of Der Trumper’s blather, but regrettably I’m not sure reason holds much sway with the majority of the electorate at this point in late capitalism.
His answers don’t seem to deviate from now decades-old “conservative” doctrine on any of these issues. Conservatives talk about the “free market” in agriculture(!) of all things, while their elites are well aware of the primacy of price supports as welfare for rural America. “Abolish the EPA!” and “global warming is a hoax!” have been rock-ribbed “conservative” doctrine for a quarter of a century now. Apparently the American rube agrees or at least doesn’t see such positions as a reason to disavow the Repub party.
It’s all academic at this point, as the country is obviously post-policy, and Trump is a far away from a “policy” figure as one could be. He is a demagogue offering a purely emotional “argument” and Dems seem to have no real answer or plan to combat his appeal. It looks to be “we hope there’s not too many of them left”. Detailed policy papers will certainly not win the day and the bulk of Trump supporters and leaners are long past using reason to address any problem–as the recent Youngstown post makes clear. They can’t think anymore, and one can’t any longer expect them to do so.
The small towns have been destroyed, the tradesman feel besieged, the manufacturing jobs took the last train to China and Mexico. All at the behest of our giant corporations, plutocrats and Wall Street wizards. They got theirs and now the shmoes are left holding the bag of shit. These were all “conservative” economic prescriptions, advanced by Gingrichian Repubs and put into place (with the help of complicit neolib Dems) in the 90s and early aughts. These policies shattered the country, all with the absurd promise of economic growth. The real question was “for whom?” We know the answer now.
Unfortunately you can’t put Humpty back together again, and as a result there’s not the slightest appetite in the country for policy positions about science or anywhere near the needed resolve the save the 10,000 year old stable climate.
Anyway, keep the braindead tweets coming, Little Donald, there’s nothing you can do to disqualify yourself in post-policy America. Certainly not by being an ignoramus and blowhard about “science”…
What Digby Said:
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2016/09/qotd-president-obama.html
QOTD: President Obama
by digby
From his rally yesterday.
This moved me. And I’m dead inside:
“And, yes, she’s got her share of critics. And she’s been caricatured by the right and sometimes by the left. And she’s been accused of everything you can imagine, and has been subjected to more scrutiny and what I believe is more unfair criticism than anybody out here. (Applause.) And she doesn’t complain about it. And you know what, that’s what happens when you’re under the microscope for 40 years.
But what sets Hillary apart is that through it all, she just keeps on going, and she doesn’t stop caring, and she doesn’t stop trying, and she never stops fighting for us — even if we haven’t always appreciated it. (Applause.)
And look, I understand we’re a young country, we are a restless country. We always like the new, shiny thing. I benefitted from that when I was a candidate. And we take for granted sometimes what is steady and true. And Hillary Clinton is steady, and she is true. (Applause.)
And the young people who are here, who — all you’ve been seeing is just the nonsense that’s been on TV. You maybe don’t remember all the work that she has had to do, and all the things she has had to overcome, and all the good that has happened because of her efforts. But you need to remember. You need to understand this.
If you’re serious about our democracy, then you’ve got to be with her. She’s in the arena, and you can’t leave her in there by herself.”
That’s a really decent thing to say.
digby 9/14/2016 09:00:00 AM
It’s quite obvious, as Bloomberg said at the convention, that the “independents” must vote for Hillary “for the good of our country” and “unite around the candidate who can defeat a dangerous demagogue”. This is a simple test for the electorate.
Unfortunately, the obvious isn’t obvious anymore, and the “good of the country” is no longer a recognizable principle, of easy application. Decades of conservative sewage, blatted and consumed 24/7, have seen to that…
It’s going to be obvious enough. I expect our highly polarized electorate to meet the test.
Even at this low ebb for Clinton, the best electoral analysts still peg her as a prohibitive favorite to win. And with her well-supported field teams Hillary will have the prospect of successfully turning out her vote, a prospect which Trump is not prepared to match.
A benefit of the tightening polls is that there will be little to no chance of complacency by the voters.
On the military Trump pushes the standard GOP backed we must INCREASE the BUDGET! What Trump refuses to bring out is how these GOP backed military budgets come with attachments. The military is told they must purchase this weapon from such and such company. These military budgets force the military to buy what is not wanted or needed so that the companies in Congressional districts get the jobs.
Everyone should understand that the military needs money to operate that is just the way things are. It would be nice if a clean budget were a requirement from now on. No forced spending to satisfy the numerous lobbyist of companies. I have heard the JCOS complain of this problems for years.
The people here who complain about Clinton’s ties to the MIC have lost the thread. There’s only one candidate who is running on radically jacking up military spending and slashing Federal revenue to the bone. Somehow these people avoid thinking through the budget implications of that. There’s no way Trump would preserve Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and other social program spending under those circumstances.
Hillary is running on increasing Social Security benefits and other social programs and improving job opportunities in the public and private sector thru infrastructure improvements, paying for much but not all of it by increasing Federal revenue thru taxes on wealthy organizations and individuals. And she’s not running on jacking up DoD spending.
We can acknowledge Hillary’s less than stellar instincts on military use without losing our perspective about the issue.
The fact that Trump is unserious about policy and providing serious answers to media question should give the Wall Street media pause.
The fact that it doesn’t means we are very likely to get a complete Presidential and Congressional disaster.
The idea that Clinton can campaign her way out of this with the media set up as it is likely ensures a Trump Presidency and Republican Congress.
IMO, the only way to prevent it is a huge GOTV campaign that runs counter to the media narrative in a huge way. Would that show up in the polling? At this point I don’t know.
But your review of their answers is interesting. Stein and Clinton vs. Johnson and Trump. And nowhere are all of them brought together because Trump is as afraid of Johnson as Clinton is of Stein.
NYTimes — Russia Mobilizes Faith to Extend Influence
Is that why US evangelicals like Putin and by extension Trump because he too likes Putin? A shame the NYTimes didn’t diss GWB in 2000 and 2004 because churches was mobilizing the faithful for him and he expressed the wish that he could be a dictator and not have to rely on administration and congressional sycophants and doofuses to get his way.
The thing I kept thinking of while I read his responses is that this was a take-home test.
He didn’t need to provide off-the-cuff answers, drawn on his own understanding of the issues. He could have looked things up, consulted experts, had briefings put together, etc. Whether he wrote this himself — na bloody likely — or passed it off to staffers, this was the best they were able to do and/or could be bothered to do.
It’s pathetic, even for a Republican candidate.
He doesn’t care enough about policy to take the opportunity to inform himself. Yes, stunning.
read/hear that stream of willful cluelessness and evasion and nevertheless conclude a vote for Trump is a thinkable act?
Since Strongman Trump has already made clear, explicitly, that his VP will be in charge of policy while Strongman Trump will be out there increasing his brand name value, I’d be much more interested (and likely less surprised) by Pence’s answers to these same questions.
As someone who works for a federal science agency, I have to say that the idea of a Trump presidency fills me with dread. And my agency has no regulatory functions at all.