Way back in 2003, before I was a blogger, I read George Crile’s book Charlie Wilson’s War and really enjoyed it. At this point, the specifics from the book are foggy even though they were refreshed somewhat when the movie came out in 2007. One thing I remember, though, is that Dana Rohrabacher had a big role in the narrative. The California congressman was a major booster of the mujahideen and completely gung-ho about using them to tear apart the Soviet Union. At the time, he was a speechwriter in the Reagan administration, but with some help from Ollie North he won his seat in Congress in 1988. Over the years since I read Charlie Wilson’s War, I haven’t thought too much about Rohrabacher but my impression of him as a rabid Russian-hater stuck with me.
Yet, I keep seeing him mentioned in the press as a Putin apologist, so I began to doubt my memory a bit. A quick search of Google brought up a speech Rohrabacher made on the House floor in 2009, and it confirmed that I’m not crazy. Here’s an excerpt from that speech:
So, our assistance to the Afghanistan resistance escalated, and as it did, I became more personally involved in this historic effort. In those days, Jack Wheeler would send us firsthand accounts of the frontline fight in Afghanistan . At times, he would bring Afghanistan warriors to my office in the White House. Other times, these rugged fighters–the Mujahedeen as they are called–would come to Washington for secret meetings, and I would end up taking them for lunch at the White House dining room or introducing them to specific people in the bureaucracy and in the power structure who could help them. So I got to know and admire these brave people.
He goes on to confirm that he’s proud of his role in promoting radical Wahhabism and anti-Western terrorism because it allowed us to bring down the Evil Empire, although he has a complicated and ahistorical way of explaining that the mujahideen were only radicalized against the West because we abandoned them. In his mind, the mujahideen and the Taliban are opposing forces, for example.
In any case, he certainly used to be anti-Russian in the extreme. And now he’s anything but.
Rohrabacher, a former Reagan speechwriter, is considered to be Putin’s top congressional ally.
Rohrabacher and Putin once arm-wrestled in an alcohol-fueled bout at an Irish pub in Washington, D.C. Putin won.
Plenty of conservative voices have noticed Rohrabacher’s turnabout, and there’s a lot of opposition on the right to the idea of Rohrabacher serving as Secretary of State. For one thing, people still remember that he was a bit of a rogue operator in the months before and after the 9/11 attacks.
Just months before the 9/11 attacks, Rohrabacher personally (and, arguably, illegally) engaged Taliban leaders and associates of Osama bin Laden, in Doha, Qatar.
According to a 2002 story from OC Weekly, Rohrabacher was accompanied by Republican strategist Grover Norquist and select other members of Congress in the Gulf state for a “Free Markets and Democracy” conference. Norquist’s now-defunct Islamic Institute paid for his travel expenses.
After meeting with the Taliban leaders, without any evidence of authorization from the president, Rohrabacher described his rogue discussions with the jihadis as “frank and open” and “thoughtful and inquisitive.” His engagement of the group was reported by AFP, Al-Jazeera, and several local outlets.
In Doha, he reportedly presented the Taliban with a “peace plan,” which they appeared to interpret back home in Afghanistan as a plot to undermine their power.
After 9/11, Rohrabacher appeared to conceal his past talks with the Taliban, and quickly labeled the group as evil as “a pack of dogs killing anyone.” However, his trips to Qatar did not stop. He visited the Gulf monarchy at least three times after the Sept. 11 attacks, on trips sponsored by the Islamic Institute. The California representative has continued over the years to shuttle back and forth between the U.S. and Qatar, for reasons that are unclear.
Later, his rogue diplomacy would continue getting him into hot water. In 2012, Afghan President Hamid Karzai banned him from entering the country.
More recently, Rohrabacher refused to condemn Russia’s de facto annexation of Crimea (voting “present“) and even defended Crimea’s right to separate from Ukraine. He’s scoffed at accusations that Putin’s Russia is a systemic and serious human rights violator.
There’s plenty more to say about Rohrabacher’s foreign policy adventures over the years, and we can get to that if and when he is actually nominated to be the next Secretary of State. What we can say for now is that his record is eclectic. He’s prone to making factually inaccurate statements and of being on both sides of various conflicts at various times. He tends to freelance, often making representations to foreign officials that he hasn’t been authorized to make or staking out territory that is in contradiction of the official policy of both Democratic and Republican administrations.
I think at times his iconoclasm has been justifiable if not clearly justified, but he definitely has not been a team player. There’s nothing in his record to suggest that he’d do well in a role where he’s expected to take his orders, salute, and do his best. And that’s precisely what a Secretary of State is expected to do when their advice is overruled.
Based on his coziness with Putin’s Russia, he’s probably exactly who Putin would select to run our State Department if he were authorized to make the nomination himself.
I’ve already written that having Michael Flynn serve as the National Security Adviser is a threat to our national security specifically because of Flynn’s close ties to Putin.
Were Rohrabacher to join the administration in a foreign policy role, especially as the head of the State Department, it would look to me like a simple takeover of our country by Vladimir Putin. I don’t know how else to put it.
And, of course, this is exactly what we’d expect from a president who owes his job to the intervention of Putin and his intelligence services.
We’ve seen plenty of evidence that this might be the case, from the selection of pro-Russian Paul Manafort as Trump’s initial campaign manager to the (admittedly controversial) story about a secret server in Trump tower that connects to Putin-aligned Alfa Bank. Back in August, Time did a deep-dive into a frankly staggering amount of connections Trump has to Russia, from organized crime figures to foreign investors.
“Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia,” Trump’s son, Donald Jr., said at a real estate conference in 2008, according to a trade publication, eTurboNews.
Trump even sold a mold-infested Palm Beach mansion to Russian billionaire Dmitry Rybolovlev for an absurdly marked up price of $95 million. And let’s not forget the pro-Russian planks that were mysteriously introduced into the Republican platform or the whole bizarre Carter Page incident (there’s that Alfa Bank, again!).
There’s so much smoke here that it shouldn’t even be controversial that Putin was working overtime to infiltrate and influence the Trump campaign. What’s odd is that the Trump campaign seemed such a willing participant and now is doing everything it can think of to pay back and reward Russia.
Everyone’s focused on the CIA’s conclusion that Putin sought to influence the election and swing it to Trump. This is far more serious than that. That Trump is even talking about Rohrabacher for State shows that Putin is the one who is calling the shots, and seems to have been calling the shots from the beginning.
When Elise Jordan looked at Russia’s influence over Trump back in July, she may not have realized that Trump was already so compromised that he would never even consider becoming a Putin-tamer. She got the rest right, though, since it turns out that Russia hacked the Republicans, too, and just didn’t use the material.
Trump certainly won’t be taking sides against Putin. Like so many naive candidates who strut their way into the ring, Trump is confident he will finally be the true Putin-tamer, that they like each other and that Putin thinks highly of him.
I wonder how Trump will feel when Putin releases Trump’s tax returns. That won’t come until long after the election—Putin understands when’s got an ace in his hand. It will certainly come if Trump makes it to the White House, and not at the moment of his choosing.
The Electoral College still has the option not to make Donald Trump (and therefore, Vladimir Putin) our president. They have nine days to figure this out.
SoS selection is just a reality show. Keeps you running around without making headway and distracting everyone.
that’s pretty far from the point I’m trying to make.
Booman…
You are believing the liars…who may indeed be telling the truth this time, or at least some portion of it. But you know the lick, no matter how correct or incorrect its grammar in translation may be.
The massive evidence of an “Operation Mockingbird”-like media control system run by U.S. Intelligence in favor of HRC…still in full operation, bet on it…is all the information necessary to sow serious doubt about the whole hustle.
And…seriously, do think for even a moment that “The Electoral College still has the option not to make Donald Trump (and therefore, Vladimir Putin) our president. They have nine days to figure this out?”
Really?
Please tell me why…besides wishful thinking and/or post-election trauma…you might think that. I would love to be convinced, even if it meant some kind of semi-Civil War in the red states.
Have you read this article? WHY DID DONALD TRUMP WIN? JUST VISIT LUZERNE COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA It’s about the exact same area through which I travelled when I began to be quite sure that Trump had a damned good chance of winning way back in May of this year. Same sorts of people, same radio staton, even. Spread this general attitude throughout the entire semi-rural, Trump-Red U.S. and then try to imagine the violence that would erupt if he was not at least given the chance to try to do some of the things that he claimed he wanted to do.
What a cluster-fuck that would be!!! Whites rioting because he won’t get that chance, minorities and other anti-Trump forces in the streets because they don’t want him to get that chance…
Pure U.S. hell.
I will bet that…one way or another…the Electoral College members who might be even thinking of wavering will experience some very direct conversations with some very direct people about the real, mortal-ass-saving advisability of not bolting.
Bet on that as well.
Later…
AG
I’d think that President Obama would be the one to have to initiate something here, if anything. How many situations are bigger national States of Emergency than a foreign government interfering successfully to install the American President of its choice?
doing so (2000), though hard to gauge by how much.
Not just Rohrabacher.
Rex Tillerson, chairman-CEO of Exxon-Mobil is now top of the list.
Wikipedia: Rex Tillerson
I don’t know who in the Obama-Clinton administration has been pressing a New Cold War with Russia, but that folly just got massively undercut if Trump is tilting toward Putin. There are multinational (not US) corporations with Russian business that have been hurt by the economic sanctions that John McCain and other Cold War nostalgists stampeded the administration into. And the Democratic legacy of skittishness in the face of attacks as “soft on Russia”, “soft on socialism”, “soft on communism” has not played well in this cycle. Those charges can not be turned around on the Republicans, who clearly see a Russian Orthodox religious white nationalist as an ally. Democrats have been played badly on “tough on national security”, likely by the national security and intelligence communities.
At a surface level, if Trump was not such an unserious person about everything, tilting toward Putin might not have been a serious problem. In the stepping down of the illusion of the “sole superpower” after W broke the image to a multipolar world, having good relations with Russia and China is essential. In fact, substantially good relations could lead to massive build-downs of nuclear weapons and militaries worldwide.
However, Trump is not likely to preside over such events because of his own personal unseriousness about the world and because of the advisers he is putting in place for national security. Not to mention those heavily invested in the military industrial complex.
Trump’s affiliation with Putin is not weird at all if you understand the influence of Steve Bannon and Nigel Farage of UKIP. Both have strong ties to pan-European white nationalist, religious nationalist, and neo-Nazi groups. And Putin’s United Russia as a model of a Party of Unity and party of stability is very much the party that could hold an authoritarian Donald Trump in power with a cult of personality.
Is Putin calling the shots for Rex Tillerson, the chair-CEO of the fifth largest corporation in the world? Or are we really looking at the beginning of corporate feudalism in which the lords of industry and the kings of government trade security for wealth?
What looks clear is that the electors will be undermining Constitutional government if they select Trump as President just because they are pledged under the laws of their states. Because there is no debate, only a vote of each state at the state capital, it is unlikely to be anything deliberate and everything automatic. It is difficult to see how Trump is not selected by the electoral college.
Tarheel, you’ve been blind on Russia for years now with your obsession with Victoria Nuland. That you entertain the thought that people oppose Putin because they’re attacking socialism, or that it’s just reflective Cold War-ism, or that there’s some possibility of better relations with him, is just amazing.
You should start paying attention to what’s going on on our NATO frontier.
20Committee? Seriously, Boo? You’re quoting a far-right nut who got fired from the Naval War College because he sent dick pics to someone not his wife via Twitter DM? And whose present Twitter avatar is him sitting shirtless in a hot-tub holding a beer.
Fair enough, but do you think Mark Galeotti is equally dubious?
Here’s what he said in that same NPR segment:
You can attack a source, but if the source has been proven correct then it doesn’t really work.
Wikileaks has been exposed.
Who is Mark Galeotti? I know who 20Comittee is because he is Twitter infamous.
○ Galeotti: The West’s Paranoia About Putin
According to Snowden’s lawyer, Glenn Greenwald, and Laura Poitras, Snowden transmitted all of the data to journalists and did not keep copies for himself before he left China. The journalists then became responsible for vetting the information exactly to prevent the scenario that you are postulating.
No doubt Russian intelligence questioned Snowden or seeks to use him for propaganda purposes. That is different from the disclosing sources and methods to an enemy that folks generally making this argument charge.
The only way one will ever know the extent of his questioning in Russia is to pardon him and informally interview him in the US.
Punishing whistleblowers who are pointing out the extra-Constitutional actions of the US intelligence community against their own citizens does not lead to informed public decisions about war an peace. It leads to fear to have any opinion at all.
Being proven correct about one thing does not mean that their speculation about something they cannot in fact know is also correct.
The fact that that is what security services do does not tell the extent to which Snowden was successfully bought and paid for. And remember, it was US actions in retaliation that forced Snowden into a Russian airport instead of any other nation’s airport and put Russia in the position of handing him to the US or giving him asylum.
The point of contention here is what did Snowden have on his person when he boarded the flight to Russia, what did he remember about all of the data he downloaded, and how successful was he at evading questions without losing his asylum.
You statement “Wikileaks has been exposed.” has no grounding in what you cite.
There are war crimes and violations of the Constitution that are being skimmed over in the trashing of whistleblowers and Wikileaks. Those patterns give legitimacy and sanction to the incoming Trump regime for worse. Moreover, nothing about them will cause Trump not to be elected by the electoral college that is committed to the Republican Party even though there might be defections.
Galleotti makes the point over and over that we have consistently misread Russia’s position and intentions in a way to rush toward war. And that that misreading makes Russian analysts think that the US is in a rush towards war. I think that is a correct opinion, but it does not extend a halo effect to speculation that he has little knowledge of details.
DC and especially the Democratic side of DC must be really deranged by Trump’s election if this is the stuff that they are passing around.
If Snowden is stuck forever in Russia, some future biographer might find out the truth from whatever documentary evidence gets left behind. Our experience in viewing the documentary history of the Cold War has shown the US more often than not being the rash one. Whether the end of the Cold War changed this pattern is something we don’t yet know. But the reluctance of the US to declassify further stuff for historical reading and the superficial behavior of US policy makers and field staff points to that rashness continuing. You example of Rohrabacher is a case in point; he was not acting off the reservation in what he has done. Otherwise, he would have gotten some sort of punishment. It is those who have been reporting excesses to the public who have been penalized legally. Some severely.
John Schindler is not a reliable reporter. Just because the US national security establishment says something does not make it thereby true.
There is pressure for President Obama to pardon Snowden for exposing NSA warrantless wiretapping. Schindler is arguing the NSA’s case against that. That’ all.
Remember, without Snowden’s information the lid would not be off about the then-unConstitutional and now legal invasion of American’s privacy that the NSA has conducted since 9/11. The very same powers that people are now worried about Trump inheriting from the Obama administration.
Show me the evidence that Wikileaks is an active front for any government and not an independent medium. US intelligence community whispers do not count as evidence unless independently supported.
What’s going on on the NATO frontier is extension of armaments over the past 20 years right up to the Russian border. Provocative naval maneuvers off of Sebastapol base on the Black Sea and Kaliningrad base in the Baltic. The counterpart of Russian war games off of Norfolk, Virginia and San Diego, California.
What is happening is that the US and Russia have been hyping every military exercise since Syria offered to get rid of its chemical weapons in an agreement that was first offered by Russia.
Republicans have used residual Cold War-ism to attack Democratic openings to Russia and have criticized Democrats for being soft on socialism. Obama–Kenyan socialist Muslim — remember?
Putin is an autocratic ruler who supports oligarchs. He gets popular support because he brought Russia back from US-created (Bush and Clinton administrations) shock-doctrine privatization of former Soviet economic institutions with no transitional financial support like the Marshall Plan was for Germany and Japan. He has negotiated reductions in nuclear weapons when the US was a willing partner; he mediated the elimination of Syrian chemical weapons to avoid a US attack on Syria. He is a partner in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and the Chinese One-Belt-One-Road infrastructure development initiative to link China with Europe. The last place before Syria that the Russian army pummeled was Chechnya and he brought that war to an end.
What exactly am I believed to be missing? And how has Victoria Nuland’s neoconservative approach to European and Eurasian nations worked out in practice? It has brought Russian tit-for-tat responses like the movement of missiles to Kaliningrad, the absorption of the Crimean region formally into Russia, continued turmoil in the Ukraine government, uncertainty in Donbass, and tensions that promote expansion of the US military presence and addition profit for a bloated defense industry. Meanwhile the European Union is weaker than ever and NATO looks more and more to be holding Europe together by collaborating military force. What happened to the stable Europe that the US could count on?
I’ve seen far more reports than you get from the Washington Post. And reports outside the US bubble. Among the destabilizing forces in Europe, Putin is very far from the worst. Stability on his borders is what he wants to see not instability. Not yet another nation trying to fragment Russia and weaken the economies of Eurasian nations.
To the extent that US geopolitical understanding still reflects the theories of Alfred Mackinder and Nicholas Spykman, US policy will not approach Russia and China realistically as powers. George Orwell understood this when he satirized “We will always be at war with East Asia.” and “We were always at war with Eurasia.”
Russia is by population the ninth largest, having slipped through devolution of the USSR republics from being the third largest nation in population. It is by legacy of the USSR the second largest nuclear power. That status could have been negotiated down over the past eight years, so long as the US was willing to draw down its huge nuclear arsenal. Missed opportunity of bad field advice? Or skittishness around a Republican warhawk Congress?
I’ve not been blind to Russia’s recovery and the opening that provided to Putin. I’ve been amazed that the US has played it so badly. Such that Trump can promise to play it better and win people who would not allow Obama to negotiate with Putin on weapons reductions.
So much traditional US foreign policy expertise lost in this election, with the Kagans backing Clinton and Kissinger being coy. It is difficult to see where other than Flynn’s monstrous aggressiveness that Trump would go in negotiating with Putin and China. If Putin placed bets on Donald Trump to moderate him and get someone like Tillerson who could talk oil deals, that could defuse potential conflicts in the Arctic and form a basis of a nuclear build-down. Those are minor glimmers in regime change in the US that likely makes us more like Russia in our freedoms than we dare acknowledge now.
NATO is not likely to survive a European Union breakup, which is likely coming within a decade. Having some understandings that build a Eurasia dependent on peace and internal trade seems a plus to me. That will take some collaboration both with Russia and China to do.
The point is not reliability, it is what is said. Interpreting intelligence, and intelligence analysis, is not journalism. It is more like a crime scene.
Here, try this:
This is all pretty much vanilla and true. It puts us on notice and is a prudent warning. Of course one could just do this:
At this stage of our political crisis I think we should lighten up on the partisanship and look for common cause against an immediate threat.
“Or are we really looking at the beginning of corporate feudalism in which the lords of industry and the kings of government trade security for wealth?”
Very possibly. Perhaps they are cutting loose from specific national impediments. The notion of nations is quaint to them, unless it can be used for a time.
This guy was just on the TV.
Yeltsin, Clinton, Major, Russian clan, oligarchs, raw capitalism …
No need to prove politicians in world’s capitals from Moscow, via Kiev, Berlin, Paris, London and Washington DC are corrupted by greed of capitalism.
○ Bill Clinton, Boris Yeltsin, and U.S.-Russian Relations (1993-2000)
○ The Evolution of NATO, 1988-2001
○ Revisiting the Prophetic Memoir of Clinton’s Top Russia Adviser
Similar to the oligarchy in the Ukraine: corruption on a massive scale, just different people in power that profit.
○ The Yeltsin years and the oligarchs
Hmmmmm….
Sounds vaguely…familiar…kinda like an entirely possible forecast for the next decade or so if nothing much changes from the previous decades right here in the good ol’ U.S. of A.
Further:
And the Clintons were moving forces in this calamity?
HMMMMMmmmm…!!!
Maybe the anti-globalist, anti-neoliberal conspiracy theorists aren’t so far off after all…
And:
Hmmmmm thrice!!!
From our gracious host here just yesterday:
Gee.
Who’d’a thunk it!!!
900% groth in addiction?
I dunno the facts and figures, but nationwide over the past several years?
We’re well on our way.
The old Twilight Zone episode?
“How To Serve Man?”
Maybe it wasn’t entirely a cookbook.
Maybe it was an economic destabilization tome regarding how to best tenderize the victims.
Hmmmmm….
AG
Welcome to globally-organized oligarchic corporate feudalism writ large.
You’re on your own. Have you kissed the ring of your oligarchic patron recently? That might be the key to survival.
Didn’t think capitalism would end this way, did you, AG?
You write:
I have quite consciously chosen to have no oligarchic patron, thus no ring to kiss. As a mater of fact, the oligarchy can kiss my royal Irish ass. Survival? I quote Johnny Cash at the Folsom Prison concert.
You also write:
To tell you the truth, I haven’t thought much about if it would end, how it would end, when it would end or in what way it would end. I still don’t care much whether it stays or goes. I just want it to eiher work well or fall. Either way…and whatever replaces it…would be fine with me as ong as it worked in an evolutionary sense. All of these “forms”…they all work well if truly based on a certain kind of evolutionary morality. Without that? They gradually crumble. Our job is simply to survive.
So it goes.
I try to wake people up to this.
Win some, lose some.
So that goes as well.
AG
That actually was a generic “you” instead of a specific “you”.
Nice work if you can arrange it that way. Most folks can’t.
Yes. Win some. Lose some.
I know.
Just lucky, I guess.
Or maybe just stubborn.
Whatever.
Musicians have been kissing oligarchic rings for centuries. Great ones like J. S. Bach and Mozart.
So it goes.
The oligarchs can still kiss my royal Irish ass.
Later…
AG
Maybe you’d like to back up a few years and explain to us how the Soviet Union did not implode owing to its own self-inflicted problems, but was instead the victim of US meddling.
In my younger days, I also went through a phase of blaming the United States government for every bad thing happening in the world. And somehow we’re still supposed to believe that line of argument despite the fact that the United States’ lack of omniscience and universal power has become glaringly obvious in places such as, say, Iraq.
Who knew that Frankie Valli had the ultimate
answer?
I haven’t a clue — but it now appears that a couple more will have to be put on the Putin Stooge or subversives for Russia list. Politico
Weren’t Rice and Gates “Cold War Warriors?” Mapping the inter-relationships of all the subjects is probably impossible, in part because it is appearing to be irrational.
Global capital has no natural constituency–its leaders don’t either.
I have to strongly disagree with the idea that the Electoral College electors can save the US from Strongman Trump…and itself.
Either US voters have enough sense to see objective, observable reality to correct what has happened in 2 and 4 years from now, or the entire concept of the United States is anachronistic and it’s much better to either make other plans, or make your peace with it and start preparing accordingly.
If the government is so thoroughly hollowed out/rotted out that it will fail be of any use against a Strongman, than perhaps that government is essentially useless for everyone who isn’t an oligarch or the client of one. If that is the case, then besides the relative comfort of the status quo, what use is the government for almost everyone else living within the current US borders, nevermind everyone else on the planet? If it can’t do what it was specifically designed to do – limit its own overreach and despotism – then what good is it to any of us?
I.E. perhaps the entire notion of the nation of The United States, given who actually owns and operates the government, is what is actually wrong, and everything else is merely a symptom of the cognitive dissonance that everyone else feels in believing that the government can be saved…and should be saved.
To put it another way, it’s folly to believe that a large Empire will always exist with its current borders, and perhaps the borders that currently delineate the US are about to begin changing. Rome went close to 800 years before it was sacked, and right before it happened, predicting it would get you laughed at, or worse.
Meh, it is what it is. I’m in a somewhat-kinda-turning-purple red state in the southeast, so I’m essentially behind enemy lines to some extent. I don’t see electors going rogue and electing Pence or Clinton or Johnson as particularly necessary for the survival of the US. Instead, it is how voters react in 2018 and 2020, and whether the government itself is able to mitigate damage from a Strongman in the meantime, that will signal to me whether this Empire currently d/b/a a country will survive…and whether it should survive.
rejecting Trump would constitute that institution of government doing “what it was specifically designed to do”.
Not that I expect it to happen.
The electoral college isn’t designed to do anything constructive, and listen…doing what seems “constructive” in abstract, means death to hundreds, if not thousands.
Let’s see if the government – meaning the bureaucracy making up government, and the state (e.g. elected officials) – are able to do what they are paid to do, before we start assigning, literally, death, to actual human beings.
As I’ve warned for over a year, Camoshirts are ready, willing and able to literally fucking murder on behalf of Strongman Trump. I’d just assume Trump be rendered irrelevant by a functional representative democracy, than be given license and warrant to let his fucking goons loose. And being stuck here in a red state with white skin, male gender, and firearms…I’m essentially tasked with f’ing around with those goons.
Please don’t make me have to respond with my blood and organs before it’s absolutely necessary.
Please.
Julian Assange and this guy, Craig Murray, former Amabassador of the UK to Uzbekistan, say that they know the source of the Hillary Clinton and John Podesta materials, and that it is not a hack. It’s an insider leak.
Wikipedia, Craig Murray
Craig Murray: The CIA’s Absence of Conviction
So the question becomes who is the insider who delivered these materials to Wikileaks? Who had the motive, means, and opportunity to do so?
This shifts the focus to the Clinton campaign staff or DNC staff and to someone in the IT area or who has access to a wide range of capabilities of the IT system.
This technically is much more simple to work out. It is much more frequent an occurrence in organizations than most organizations are willing to admit. And it does not require state-supported hackers.
It is curious that this investigation has not been pursued, or if pursued has not produced a suspect.
Or this could be a red herring that Wikileaks has put out to cover its ties with the Kremlin. Pick your conspiracy theory.
I think it’s become a loyalty test…DNC or Wikileaks.
To be sure, an inside job does not eliminate the possibility that Russia enabled some of the logistics.
Motive:
Not sure of that figure, but Tillerson does have deals with Russia that have been blocked by sanctions.
Trump defends his refusal to believe the CIA report about Russian hacking by reminding us that the CIA lied about WMD in Iraq, so why should he believe them now?
The CIA document he is referring to is the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq’s Weapons Program (October 2002).
However, the CIA had never found evidence of WMD. The “evidence” this hurried report was based on came from Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz’s own intelligence shop, the “Office of Special Plans”, within the Pentagon, which concocted fake evidence and routed it to Cheney.
http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/NEWS-ANALYSIS-Bush-team-sought-to-snuff-CIA-2600065.php
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2004/01/lie-factory
June 17, 2003: The CIA produces a memorandum for Tenet stating that “since learning that the Iraq-Niger uranium deal was based on false documents earlier this spring, we no longer believe that there is sufficient other reporting to conclude that Iraq pursued uranium from abroad.” This report was not made public at the time, however.
In July 2003, Joe Wilson published his doubts about the Iraq uranium in the NY Times.
The following week, Bob Novak – receiving a leak from Richard Armitage — outs Wilson’s wife, Valerie Plame, as a CIA agent.
I know you all will be shocked to learn that Trump is being a wee bit disingenuous here, as has been noticed on some prior occasions. But I don’t think he’s going to be able to scam the CIA.
distinctions.
Thank you. Yes, especially when you consider that what Bush,Cheney & Co. did to manipulate US intelligence will pale in comparison to what Trump would do.
It is ironic that the institution that our founding fathers put into the constitution to save the Republic from the masses picking an unqualified or otherwise unsuitable leader is in fact responsible for the democratic rule of the majority in this election to be ignored in favor of the unqualified and otherwise unfit candidate for president who happened to appeal better to rural swing state voters. And given that faithless electors have had zero impact on any election (well at least one that didn’t involve dead candidates) I think it is pretty unlikely that the electors will suddenly be enlightened with the original intent of the founding fathers and overturn the undemocratic result of the electoral vote allocation formula.
And how long have Democrats known that the Electoral College gave small state rural voters disproportionate representation that would most likely tilt close elections towards Republicans. It’s been what, a decade and a half since Bush v. Gore? I guess they became so caught up in “demographic change” that they gave up on any effort to actually make our system more democratic.
The first thing is to make sufre the electors are fully aware of the crisis and of the full range of their constitutional responsibilities.
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/12/10/founding-fathers-russia-election-interference-means-electoral
-college-reject-trump.html
Many people seem to think that the key question here is whether the Russians sufficiently influenced the election to secure a victory for Trump, which without that interference wouldn’t have happened.
Tht question would be practically impossible to answer.
However, that is NOT the key question.
Trump may have won fair and square. But the question at issue here is whether a person with such deep and unprecedented ties to a far-from-friendly foreign power, a person who has already shown really astonishing favor to their interests (and vice-versa), is qualified to hold the office of president of the United States; indeed, whether he does not represent a clear and present danger to the interests of the United States. I do not think this ia a particularly difficult question.
laid out in that link.