The New York Times editorial board penned an open letter with an intended audience of one: Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. I don’t think they did a very good job.
They started out fairly well by acknowledging Rosenstein’s sterling record and lengthy service to the country, although it might not have been helpful to say that his elevation to such an esteemed position was “improbable.” They also acknowledged that his brief against FBI Director James Comey was “solid” and that he hadn’t “explicitly” recommended that Comey be fired.
But they got badly off track when they went into a long indictment, of Trump’s character and misdeeds and business career, that isn’t central to the issue at hand. Perhaps critically, they characterize the investigation into Trump’s campaign as getting to “the bottom of whether and how Russia helped steal the presidency for Mr. Trump.” That’s not a helpful characterization.
For starters, it is not necessary to conclude that the election was “stolen,” and that’s not something that needs to be proven by the FBI or by prosecutors in a court of law. There are three elements that need to be investigated, none of which have to make any determination over whether or not Trump would or could have won without Russian interference and possible cooperation by the Trump campaign.
The first is to determine exactly how the Russians acted: what they did, who did it, who was paid, what technologies were used, who was recruited or compromised, etc.
The second is to determine how to protect ourselves from future actions of a similar nature.
And the third is criminal in nature, and would actually bring charges against any individual who violated statutes on the books.
The point isn’t to undermine the legitimacy of Trump’s presidency and “prove” that he “stole” the election, although the editors make a good point when they observe that “In theory, no one should have a greater interest in a credible investigation than the president, who has repeatedly insisted the suspicions about his campaign are baseless.” That the president’s legitimacy is in question is a fact, and if he has nothing to hide he should be the biggest cheerleader for this probe since he would know that in the end it would vindicate him and give his victory a clean bill of health. He isn’t acting that way, though, is he?
By making Rosenstein’s decision process all about the need to prove that Trump is illegitimate, they undermine their case by making this seem like a demand for a process that is intended to wound and discredit Trump, rather than a necessary process to protect our election process and the integrity and reputation of our system of government.
There’s a more immediate and serious need, too, which is that we have to know who, if anyone, is now in a position of authority who may be subject to blackmail because they played a role in helping the Russians steal documents or target voters or strategize over how to use their information to the greatest effect. Some people may have received payments and others may have made payments. This is essentially a counterintelligence investigation that could have criminal implications, but it’s an essential task. It’s important regardless of whether Trump would have won or lost in the absence of these (possible) actions.
On the whole, the case the editors make is less than fully persuasive because it doesn’t stick to the key points and actually provides some evidence that some important supporters of an independent counsel or prosecutor are narrowly motivated on hurting the president rather than on goals that should have bipartisan support.
Where the editors are on solid ground is where they point out that Rosenstein, by authoring the Comey memo, compromised his ability to oversee any investigations into Russian meddling in our elections. He either needs to recuse himself now, at a minimum, or he needs to assign someone independent of the administration to take over the job.
Lulz.
So did they leave a bug behind in the Oval Office? Bet they are scrubbing the place today. Seems like Trump is there for Putins amusement.
Stupid, lie, or stupid and a lie? Hard to tell here.
Besides showing that Trump is an amateur (and an ass), what does that prove? It’s 2017, not 1957 and even if it was, Eisenhower was cordial at official meetings.
If his meeting today with the Senate Intelligence Committee, in the company of the acting director of Department of Justice’s national security division, ends with his appointment of special counsel to hunt the Trumpus, all will be forgiven.
That depends on who it is, Dunwoody.
AG
True. With our luck, it will be Chris Christie.
Preet Bharara could be a good choice. As the investigation will involve a lot of delving into financial products. I mean it’s not going to happen but in the abstract.
Let us pray it is.
AG
You write:
Also…to truly get to the truth(s) of the matter, he needs to assign someone independent of the massive, bipartisan centrist opposition to the administration.
What are the chances that either event will take place?
Slim, to none I think.
We’ll just get another Warren Commission/Cox-Jaworski process. First they decide what they want to have happened and then they find/manufacture evidence to prove that and jettison evidence that might disprove it.
And that’s the best possibility.
Drain the swamp?
Not if it doesn’t want to be drained, and especially not if the probable replacement swamp promises to be even worse.
Bet on it.
AG
Why are you conflating the Warren Commission with SP Cox and Jaworski? Completely different assignments over completely different matters. (Did you miss all the Nixon cronies that the SP put behind bars?)
They were working the centrist side, Marie…the PermaGov side. Just as was the Warren Commission. And just as will be whatever arises here. JFK, Nixon and Trump all threatened the power center, each in their own way.
The center held in the first two instances, and I believe that it will hold in this affair as well.
It’s going to take more than Trump to defeat the empire.
Watch.
AG
Your world is far more black and white than mine.
No, first is to determine if the Russians acted:…
It is for Clintonistas. Otherwise they would need to conclude that something was wrong with the candidate and/or the campaign.
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BTW, did Obama “steal the French election for Macron” by “meddling” in their election?
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Democrats have spit on their core voters and now conclude that the election was stolen because the proles didn’t say “how high” when told to jump.
Sore losers from the sore loser party.
There is nothing progressive in this. This Progressive Community” has devolved into a Democratic Party political machine.
Precisely. And any act has to be far beyond Obama’s act wrt to Brexit (he appeared in the UK and advocated for Remain).
It takes a fevered imagination to ignore the billions of dollars in free media coverage that Trump received in favor of something unseen and months later still undefined to explain how he could possibly have beat one of the most disliked Democratic nominees in recent times. What was unexpected was that all the free media coverage would boost Trump’s chances in the general election. That by switching from mostly neutral to positive coverage during the primary to almost exclusively negative coverage during the general election, he was supposed to win the nomination and lose the general election by a large margin.
Educated people with an above average IQ aren’t half as clever as they think they are. The devious and clever combination is independent of education and IQ.
Some of that free media was Russian in origin, and more likely than not state-supported.
Who watches Russian Media in the USA? People watch ABC, NBC, CBS and most definitely FOX, all American.
Do you have any evidence that 1) Russian media was pitching Trump and 2) that ‘state-supported’ media had a heavy presence (or any presence at all) in rural PA and WI? Even then it would be a huge leap to postulate that Americans are somehow uniquely vulnerable to Russian media. Poppycock.
Overtly, Obama and Trump (somewhat less blatantly) injected themselves into the French election, and nobody is howling about that, although it was inappropriate for both of them to do.
Check. According to this Jeff Bezos-sponsored/CIA-inflitrated WaPo piece earlier this year, the ratings for my favorite cable channel RT are so low, they don’t make the minimum number of eyeballs to be counted in the usual surveys.
Odd too that RT, supposedly out to pump Trump, would carry so many programs broadcast in prime time hours whose host(s) were overtly anti-Trump — Thom Hartmann, Ed Schulz, Watching Hawks Sean Stone, Tyrel Ventura and Amy Wallace (progressives all) and that guy doing the comedy show for the under-25 crowd.
Their regular news shows tended to offer a fair balance of Hillary and Trump, again an odd way to promote the blustering American Capitalist. But, according to our honorable intel agencies, RT cannot be trusted because they covered US third parties as well.
Can’t have that. Americans must not be reminded they have only 2 choices.
more than
If Americans were rational, they’d demand coverage of all the candidates with real campaigns by US media. How much air/print time did the ridiculous Dr. Ben get compared to Stein and Johnson? Whatever one may think of those two candidates or their parties, they were no less qualified as candidates than Trump.
The MSM no longer has the excuse that coverage was roughly in line with the campaign coffers, and by extension the size of their public support, of the candidates. By that measure, Trump was at best in the lower tier with a support base of one.
If you aren’t getting a check, then maybe it will be possible to make you understand. If you are getting a check, then that would explain your behavior, but it isn’t acceptable to me.
Can someone tell me how Putin did more than Kris Kobach to “steal” the election last November?
Or as much as Kris Kobach and voter suppression efforts in several states. Although that seems not to have had any significant effect on the presidential election. Perhaps it flipped WI, but that would only have meant that HRC lost by less. Possible that it increased Trump’s NC margin but didn’t flip the state, but even if it did flip the state, Clinton still lost.
Speaking of voter suppression and North Carolina:
http://twitter.com/alexkotch/status/862739692952977409
This kind of shit has been going on for a lot longer than people have been screaming that Putin “stole/hacked” the election.
If you’re still asking “if” then you can’t move on to the next grade. You fail.
Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth?
Still waiting for testimony, not someone with an ax to grind citing unknown “sources”. That’s rumor at best, propaganda at worst. Like “BENGHAZI!” Surely you see that it’s the same thing?
Where “someone with an axe to grind” equals the official position of the CIA, NSA, FBI, and Democratic and Republican members of both the House and Senate Intelligence committees. And allied intelligence services. And third party computer security analysts.
But on the other hand we have Putin, Trump, and Glenn Greenwald so tough call!
McConnell and Ryan are citing the disaster of the Watergate SP for their resistance to an IC in this matter. Good grief, if DC denizens get any more two faced their heads will be on a permanent spin cycle.
An IC would be fine IMHO, if there’s anyone left in this country that has the requisite and impeccable credentials, expertise, and professionally and intellectually is far above all partisan politics for the assignment. I fear that such a person doesn’t exist. Then it only becomes a very long and dragged out process that principally produces increased politicization in congress and the public and any rats get mostly or wholly away with whatever crimes they’ve committed. But maybe Americans would like another sequel.
“Americans”…most of them…won’t understand that it’s a sequel. To them, it’ll just be another new show.
Different cast, different characters.
Watch.
AG
The vicarious thrill of taking down a “big man” and a new war never fails to entertain the masses.
Yes,.
Precisely.
The Controllers use this to control.
AG
Darn — typo — that should have read, they’re citing the disaster of the Whitewater SP …”
ah, thanks for the correction!
It confused me about your 2-faced comment. I mean it would seem that if it was Watergate, what they’re calling a disaster is that it got rid of Nixon which is taking off the mask there.
Either the Congress passes veto-proof legislation creating and naming a special prosecutor or the executive branch (DOJ) names one and sets out the scope of the SP’s duties.
Obviously the first option requires that both major parties are fundamentally rational and responsible, firmly committed to non-corrupt government under a rule of law. That condition does not obtain in TrumpAmerica, and cannot in future. Ryan’s Reprobates are sub-rational and deeply corrupt. The senate Repubs are about 2% better. The majority of Repubs are completely willing to take the Trumper’s preposterous bad faith explanation of the firing seriously, at least in the sense of being willing to repeat it in public as a reasonable position to take.
It seems equally clear that this hapless Rosencran…er, Rosenstein character has been selected as the civil servant stooge to take the flamethrowers in the face. He had to write the memo that goes down in history as one of the supreme examples of bad faith argumentation. It took exactly ten minutes for Der Trumper and his preposterous creature Kellyanne to concoct a laughable story that Rosencrantz, er, stein, came up with the whole scheme himself(!) and that Der Trumper simply “had” to immediately (the same day!) implement the “recommendation” of the sterling career prosecutor etc, etc….all done merely 2 weeks into taking the job, lol.
Gotta set your priorities! Step one: propose (out of the blue) firing the FBI director on the very grounds that the AG and Prez had praised to the skies when they had been undertaken. Yes, a very likely move by a smart career civil servant! And if there’s no connection to the firing and the Russia probe, why exactly are YOU the deputy the one handling this? er, never mind.
This while the corporate media is simultaneously reporting on Trumper’s anger at Comey and the deliberations of a very small cell of Trumpites plotting the firing, all without input from any member of the cabinet, or Congress, etc etc. Trumper the decisive leader hiding behind Rod Rosenstein. Too rich for words.
He is already in far too deep to recover anything of his (past) reputation, so in for a penny, in for a pound, I’d say. He’ll likely do precisely as Der Trumper requests on this front while Trumper deflects all rage towards the designated DOJ stooge. And if (somehow) there is a special prosecutor named by the stooge, it sure won’t be a Dem Ken Starr.
Of course in a serious nation of responsible public officials, the NYT’s pitch should have been aimed at seeking a strongly bipartisan consensus at finding out how the Russians fucked with the 2016 prez election. But as indicated, this does not remotely describe the party in control of Congress, let alone the WH, haha.
What’s your response to the stories he threatened to resign for Trump dumping this on him?