I can’t imagine that Glenn Greenwald is too pleased to see James Risen’s first article for The Intercept. Risen not only does a brilliant job of concisely explaining the conclusive evidence that Russia was responsible for the 2015 and 2016 hacks of the Democratic Party, he goes farther and makes the case that Donald Trump is plausibly guilty of treason which carries a potential penalty of death. Risen notes that most people don’t want to “go there,” but he’s willing to discuss it.
In some ways, I wish he wasn’t. At least, I think it’s a distraction from the main content of his article.
Still, Risen made a better case for treason than I thought possible. I’ve written that idea off from the beginning based on the fairly simple idea that Russia (at least at the time the collusion allegedly took place) could not be considered an “enemy” of the United States in any legal sense. To be more precise, even if our country should have considered Russia an enemy, our relationship wasn’t treated that way in most respects.
But the more you consider this question the murkier it gets. America has gotten out of the habit of declaring war on its enemies. And this makes it harder to draw a bright line around which countries are our enemies and which countries are not. If we apply the standard that we must be engaged in active combat, that would prove problematic in cases where we’re fighting through proxies, which was the case for the entire Cold War. Or we could look at the situation in Syria where both Russia and the United States have combat forces, but sometimes they are working for a common purpose even if usually they are not.
Ultimately, I think the strongest case against the treason charge is that Trump openly questioned our current relationship with Russia during his run for president. This certainly aroused surprise, outrage, consternation and suspicion, but it wasn’t considered treasonous by the electorate, clearly. If the proof that we were enemies with Russia is that we had placed sanctions on them for annexing Crimea and making incursions into Eastern Ukraine, then the people’s selection of Trump, despite his clear skepticism about those sanctions and willingness to lift them, seems to undermine the case. Do people at the ballot box have a say in who our enemies are and what constitutes traitorous behavior? I think their opinion has to be weighed heavily, if not perhaps as completely decisive.
Defining Trump’s stated policies as treasonous would run a gigantic risk of suppressing free speech, especially if it relied on a retroactive perspective that wasn’t available or prevalent at the time.
But this is a chicken and egg problem, isn’t it?
Looking back, we know now that Russia was doing more than run-of-the-mill espionage. They were trying to change the outcome of a U.S. election and they committed crimes in the furtherance of that project. Whether people knew or acted like it or not at the time, it’s clear that Russia was our enemy in the period when collusion is suspected to have taken place.
So, the collusion question comes back to the fore.
Let me to try to clarify this with a hypothetical example. Let’s say that this country was surprised in some kind of Pearl Harbor-type attack by a country that we didn’t consider to be an enemy. If we found out later on that a group of Americans were knowledgable about the preparations and staging for this attack and sought to benefit from it politically, then we probably would have no problem classifying them as traitors. In that case, it wouldn’t matter that many people had thought we should improve relations with this country or even that the people voted for a candidate advocating improved relations. Those people were operating with incomplete information, but the traitors were not.
This is why the case for treason is stronger than I originally thought before reading Risen’s piece. It really hinges on what individual actors in the Trump campaign, including Trump, knew about what Russia was doing. So, in that light, let’s look again at the email Rod Goldstone sent Donald Trump Jr. when he initiated contact to set up the June 9th, 2016 meeting in Trump Tower.
The June 3, 2016, email sent to Donald Trump Jr. could hardly have been more explicit: One of his father’s former Russian business partners had been contacted by a senior Russian government official and was offering to provide the Trump campaign with dirt on Hillary Clinton.
The documents “would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father,” read the email, written by a trusted intermediary, who added, “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”
This is a part of the puzzle. The most important thing that we know for certain is that Goldstone explicitly wrote that the meeting was to be part of the Russian’s government effort to support Donald Trump. Without question, the Trump campaign knew that Russia was trying to help them win.
Whether the Trump team thought of it or not, this was already a form of attack on our country. But it’s not the whole picture. The Russians did more than provide some unsavory material about Hillary Clinton and other Democratic operators. They committed crimes in order to obtain that information. They hacked U.S. voting software suppliers and tried (perhaps successfully in some cases) to gain access to the computers of state and local election officials. They spent money on political advertising. They worked overtime to influence public opinion through the use of trolls, bots, authors of fake news, and social media tricks to boost legitimate news unfavorable to Clinton.
It matters greatly whether or not Trump or members of his team were aware of some or most of these activities. Jill Stein may have been unaware of them when she agreed to let the state-run cable news channel RT host the Green Party presidential debate, but what if the Trump campaign was witting?
This is a different way of looking at the question of treason. It’s not whether or not Russia was an enemy so much as whether what they did can be considered an attack akin to Pearl Harbor. If the act of interference changed Russia into an enemy instead of just one country among several (like Iran, for example) with which we have major disagreements, then anyone who was in on what they did can be considered a traitor.
To be honest, I am not comfortable with this line of argument. Not only do I think it’s a distraction from getting to the bottom of what happened, but it touches too closely on free speech and honest disagreement. It reminds me a bit of the folks who had their careers negatively impacted or ruined because they had been premature anti-fascists when they took the anti-Franco side during the Spanish Civil War. In that case, anti-Soviet hardliners looked back in time to before World War Two to argue that people had been too sympathetic to communists. Setting aside that prescience about the greater threat of fascism should have been rewarded rather than punished, it’s problematic to judge people for what they believed in one era when things fundamentally change later on. It’s not that I’d apply this defense to the Trump team if they were actually witting, but there were (and still are) plenty of people who think we should seek better relations with Russia and I don’t think they should be tainted with suspicion of treason.
In my view, even if a treason case can be made, it would be too messy and inevitably involve too much collateral damage. I don’t think anything is gained by going down a path that can lead to hysteria or McCarthyist purges. It also would escalate tensions with Russia in a way that might not be in our foreign policy interest, or tie future politicians’ hands who want to improve relations but feel that they cannot.
Yet, I have changed my mind about the basic charge. I thought it was preposterous and totally unsupported by the language of the Constitution and the law. I no longer think that. If collusion is convincingly demonstrated, I now think it’s a much closer call.
I can’t think of a more serious act of war against the United States, short of nuclear attack, than stealing its people’s right to self-determination.
Trump was not only aware of this plan, but complicit in it. The plan continues. Trump is still complicit.
It damn well is treason. Nothing short of that word suffices at describing the treachery involved. You may be right that pursuing treason as criminal charge is too messy a matter to try, but if the American people come to understand Trump and his co-conspirators as traitors, some measure of justice will be achieved.
Yes, I think Booman is too hung up on the legal meaning of the term. “Treason” doesn’t only have a legal meaning, it has a vernacular meaning. One doesn’t need to be convicted of the specific crime of treason to legitimately be called a traitor. A president of the United States who is not loyal to the U.S., but to a foreign benefactor — in this case one with which the U.S. has a largely adversarial relationship — is a traitor. The legal definition of the term is beside the point, I’m allowed to think that, and say it.
I don’t think it’s the term that BooMan’s “too hung up on,” as such, so much as he’s exhibiting his usual strategic caution about what direction to guide public anti-Trump or anti-conservative debates so that they’re effective.
The danger with this kind of thinking, obviously, is that when you get overly caught up in “optics” and presentational frames you run the risk of getting trivially checkmated; it becomes a game of conflicting advertising slogans rather than a legitimate policy debate.
I agree with you that if it’s treason you call it treason and if that seems too dramatic or unseeemly (or, too much like the other side’s shrill rhetoric), too bad.
And when he acts against the interests of the United States it fits the legal definition too. Don’t sell yourself short. Trump is legally susceptible to charges of treason.
Then you fully understand why Iranian “students” held American State Department employees hostage for 444 days, amirite?
Quoting from above diary,
” They worked overtime to influence public opinion through the use of trolls, bots, authors of fake news, and social media tricks to boost legitimate news unfavorable to Clinton.”
Just in case you missed it (because people have difficulty with self analysis)
“AND SOCIAL MEDIA TRICKS TO BOOST LEGITIMATE NEWS UNFAVORABLE TO CLINTON.”
That would be you. Oh it was so much fun to analyze the emails over and over when it was assumed she would win. Just a game, right? Just Damaging the neoliberal, right?
Now from the cited article,
“To their disgrace, editors and reporters at American news organizations greatly enhanced the Russian echo chamber, eagerly writing stories about Clinton and the Democratic Party based on the emails, while showing almost no interest during the presidential campaign in exactly how those emails came to be disclosed and distributed. The Intercept itself has faced such accusations. The hack was a much more important story than the content of the emails themselves, but that story was largely ignored because it was so easy for journalists to write about Clinton campaign chair John Podesta.”
Once again,
“eagerly writing stories about Clinton and the Democratic Party based on the emails, while showing almost no interest during the presidential campaign in exactly how those emails came to be disclosed and distributed.”
That would be you.
You were so eager to explain the emails to us, over and over. Literally thousands of words. With not one concern where they originated, which WAS the bigger story.
Now here you are, citing how responsible we are for our situation, by writing about something that happened in 1981. 35 years ago. Ya! The Russians hacked us because they are so concerned about the Shah!
Same old same old.
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Uhhhhhh, No.
Are you happy with not knowing the facts behind that situation?
If not, enlighten yourself. (Emphasis mine.)
Like dat.
Understand now?
AG
Still, no.
You may have noticed that we haven’t put the Russian embassy under siege or imprisoned its diplomats. That seems like a pretty key distinction between the two events.
There’s a big difference between understanding Iranian outrage and empathizing with hostage-taking.
Americans might not have put the Russian embassy under siege yet because:
It is real easy to see why the Democratic vote will remain divided by not adapting to new information. The contents of that indictment comprises new information but we get the same old two-year-old dismissals. And we get the notion that US history started in November 2016.
What Russia did should be seen as equivalent to what the US did in Iran in 1954. And the US didn’t need electronic social media to do it. Social media is not a new thing.
But then, shaming is the first step to shutting people up, isn’t it?
Now you’ve really lost me. Who in this thread has shamed you or asked you to shut up?
The point was…sigh…that the U.S. has done worse (much worse) to the political systems of many other countries than it is possible for Russia to have done here. This does not excuse Russia’s actions…if indeed they are proven to have happened…and ditto the actions of the Trump campaign.
But first?
We need the proof!!!
Indictments are not proof…especially these indictments of Russian citizens who are totally beyond the reach of the U.S. judicial system. They will never come to trial and they will never be able to defend themselves. Like bait on a hook…possibly even a totally artificial lure…they are there to catch Trumpists.
it’s a dirty game on both sides.
When do we (unilaterally if necessary) end the the playing of dirty games?
Damned if I know.
Our excuse for dishonorable actions is…and always has been…”Because (fill in the blanks) the others are doing it!!!”
Time to clean house.
Right down to the basement swamp.
AG
I agree wholeheartedly. I think that anyone who in any way tried to steal people’s right to self-determination…the Trumpists/Russians as well as the DNC and its massive moves against Bernie Sanders in the primaries…should be tried in a court of law and if found guilty, convicted and punished umnmercifully.
Right on!!!
AG
We executed the Rosenbergs for their stealing some information and passing it on to the Soviets. We were’nt at war with the Soviets at the time. Trump’s encouragement of the Russians to steal Americans’ information and then accepting that knowingly purloined information seems to match the Rosenbergs’ crime pretty well. If it was treason then, it’s treason now.
The Rosenbergs were not actually charged with treason, just to be pedantic.
And we weren’t “at war with” the Soviets at the time, either, just to be even more pedantic. The “cold war” was a very clever and effective linguistic invention.
The Rosenbergs were convicted of espionage, not treason. Not really relevant.
Anyone that attacks you is ipso facto an enemy.
Good to see you taking a fresh look — Risen’s piece is helpful for that for me too.
I don’t much care for the idea of purges either, but what do you think is going to happen if the Drumpf people are ever removed from office?
“Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Republican Party” remains a lodestar for me, but I’m not sure I really want to go there. Some days, I definitely do. Like yesterday. Some days, not so much. The more they embrace naked fascism/racism, the more I want the GOP to be the future equivalent of “Nazi” (back when “Nazi” was bad!).
But what do you do about those that `aided and abetted’? Particularly when they put on their pseudo neutral internet cover to explain what we should do, as democrats, going forward? When 2019 comes around, and the free advice is back, that just so happens coincides with what the alt right wants us to believe about democrats?
`Purged’ is such a hard word. But exposed certainly fits.
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It is helpful not to rush to judgement about who among Democrats and Democratic voters aided and abetted. Your snap judgements could be dead wrong and just an expression of your anger of the situation.
This I can say for sure. The establishment of the Republican Party without a doubt enabled and still enables Russia’s subversion of our election process because it lines up with their own ideas about whose votes should be suppressed.
Deal with Republican suppression and there would not be enough votes for the Russians to scam.
With a solid GOTV campaign, there also will not be enough votes to scam because canvassing overcomes social media bias or can if canvassers are aware of what to look for.
A couple of comments here. In the modern age, a systematic series of cyber attacks aimed at undermining the integrity of the U.S.’ election system and to deliver a massive campaign to sway the electorate to vote for one candidate over another is very definitely an enemy attack. Your analogy to Pearl Harbor suggests that you agree with this.
Where treason may arise is Trump’s involvement beforehand. As I am certain will be formally revealed by Mueller, Donald Trump has been laundering Russian mafia and oligarch money for years. It has been one of the main sources of his wealth. So he was in a position to be blackmailed and hence manipulated by Putin (who works closely with the mafia and the oligarchs).
While Trump may not have known beforehand precisely the tactics that Putin’s team would use, I think there’s little doubt that he was in on a secret strategy to attack the US through a variety of proxies.
It’s even conceivable, although probably not likely, that Putin may have suggested to Trump that he should run for President in the first place.
One hopes that there will be that much contextual evidence that comes out.
You never seemed to need `contextual evidence’ when it came to Clinton. Now you seek it for Trump and Putin. Funny how that works.
And WTF does `contextual evidence’ even mean? It’s just another word salad to dismiss actual evidence. Mueller could convict every single person, and you would explain to us how unfair it all is, because of what America did to the Philippines in 1902, and how compared to that, Russia is being unfairly picked on.
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This is what contextual evidence means: proof convincing of a jury that President Trump is in fact guilty of treason, proof to the point that excludes jury nullification by MAGA supporters. The context is this. “Where treason may arise is Trump’s involvement beforehand. As I am certain will be formally revealed by Mueller, Donald Trump has been laundering Russian mafia and oligarch money for years. It has been one of the main sources of his wealth. So he was in a position to be blackmailed and hence manipulated by Putin (who works closely with the mafia and the oligarchs).
While Trump may not have known beforehand precisely the tactics that Putin’s team would use, I think there’s little doubt that he was in on a secret strategy to attack the US through a variety of proxies.
It’s even conceivable, although probably not likely, that Putin may have suggested to Trump that he should run for President in the first place.”
You, however are willing to run with thin evidence and not demand solid evidence even when there is an investigation working hard to accumulate what solid evidence is available.
That is a rush to judgment. It’s failure in this case might be that it destroys and opposition to Trump before the facts in the case might be sufficient to remove Trump from office.
One hopes indeed!!!
AG
Yes, I believe we will discover the donald got paid for his treason.
If Der Trumper wants to start throwing the word “treason” around in his public speeches (as he did at one of his turd rallies the other day), then this is the sort of discussion he can expect in return.
People who live in glass houses, etc., etc…
trump has lately been using the term ‘treason’ precisely in order to debase it’s shocking effect as a signifier.
He’s not nearly that sophisticated.
And, I don’t even think he realizes on a visceral conscious level what he’s done. It was just another “deal.”
I agree with you that he isn’t ‘sophisticated enough’but one can clearly see that he constantly accuses his detractors of that for which he is clearly guilty, with an aim to blunt and debase the accusations through careless and repeated use.
In any case, it was the thought that came to mind when I saw his own ‘treason’ usage.
You’re right of course, but sadly I think it really is the childish “I’m rubber, you’re glue” defense, unchanged since early decades.
“No puppet…no puppet…you’re the puppet” is the most elemental example. That was pure gut, pure hindbrain (and there isn’t much else with him).
. . . projection jiu jitsu, though with narcissist, all-id Trump, it’s probably more knee-jerk response to stimulus than any sort of conscious/reasoned tactic/strategy.
. . . write “rightwintger”. Never mind, the evidence is right there, incontrovertible, staring me in the face.
I blame typing half-propped-up in bed cuz I’m a bit under the weather (also why I’m here now, doing things like correcting oui’s misleading links to really bungled Politico articles). Anyway, that’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it.
Doesn’t matter for jury nullification to occur among the MAGA crowd. It only takes one stubborn one or a conspiracy of 12.
Advocating making peace with an enemy is not treasonous. Covertly working with them to disrupt the basis of our country (free and fair elections) is. They are very different and there is no problem drawing a line.
If you really think that’s the strongest case against the treason charge then you’re basically saying we have a slam dunk case for treason against Trump – which I would agree with.
Advocating making peace with an enemy is not treasonous. Covertly working with them to disrupt the basis of our country (free and fair elections) is.
How is that the basis for our, or any country? How were elections fair back in the time of George Washington? Who defines free and fair?
Whoa!
It’s all over cable news and Rod Rosenstein just gave a statement. 13 Russians have been indicted. No treason you say? Hmmm.
And CNN reports that Gates is in discussion to make a deal, indeed.
And as yet unindicted, a “real U.S. person affiliated with a Texas grassroots organization”.
And another “real U.S. person, a Florida-based political activist identified as the ‘Chair for the Trump Campaign’ in a particular Florida county”, and more, “Campaign Official 1” and “Campaign Official 2, “involved in the campaign’s Florida operations”.
All of these indictments for actions aimed at influencing a US presidential election, yet Debbie Wasserman Schultz walks free?
America, I weep for you.
None of it matters unless someone was working out of their basement in Chappaqua.
THAT’S news.
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Last I heard, Debbie wasn’t a foreign national.
…look at the squirrel!!!
Stunning, but just tip of the iceberg. We are at the point that during Watergate saw the “Plumbers”, including G. Gordon Liddy, indicted. More yet to roll out especially through those unknowing campaign officials in Florida.
Also, the statistical review must now look at hypotheses about the this campaign’s effect on purple states.
The number of votes involved might be quite a bit more than just small margins in three states.
The intel community always refers to the Russian effort as an ‘attack’, for good reason.
This also reminded me of a correlation to insider trading.
More fake news. Damn when will it stop?
I expect thorough analyses of Mueller’s fake news by Oui, AG and marie3.
Just a few — 13 is a few, right? — overzealous souls whose ardent pursuit of peace and freedom between our two great peoples temporarily carried them away.
Mir i druzhba, y’all!
Indeed. But there were perhaps a few more unwitting souls. as well.
And there will be a few more indictments as well. Mueller has just begun to indict and hasn’t yet hit stride.
For example who are GOP campaign official 1, GOP campaign official 2, and GOP campaign official 3? And who will they sing about?
And when will the preponderance of the evidence get another suspect’s lawyer to recommend a plea agreement?
At least the some of the facts that the intelligence community has been sitting on because of “sources and methods” is coming out in the sanitized way of grand juries.
But there are still Democratic voters that need hounding out of the party, aren’t there?
Malcolm Nance is on tv telling us this Russian operation has been on going since perhaps 2013. If you call this fake, you are in some other universe. They used our social platforms against us. They talk about “unwitting” participants. That will now be the defense of the fools.
Maybe it’s time to sit and watch what Mueller’s doing over the next six weeks and give the space for people to absorb it and change their minds.
The conviction of Trump does not depend on what we say in blog comments. Continuing to act like its November 2016 has not been helpful to getting out the vote for the midterms. That GOTV campaign is far more important for us to do than is checking every next opinon on what Mueller has done next.
Here’s what I’ve got from some lefts I’ve interacted with: it’s criminalizing free speech. It’s a defense I’m sure they’d employ in good faith if, say, CIA organized those things. Just free speech, amirite?
And sure, maybe some parts of the indictment don’t hold up on those grounds because of the Supreme Court’s rulings on electioneering and “free speech”. But keep grasping at those straws, you guys don’t have many left.
It never happened, and didn’t affect the outcome, and American elections are a joke anyways, and besides, Hillary was going to bomb Iran.
That’s not ‘a few straws’. Them’s quality straws. I’m proud just to have them available for clutching, should it prove necessary.
You forgot that she was also going to take away your guns and raise the price of the pizza in the parlour above her childrens brothel.
Isn’t she sick, too? I heard she is VERY sick. I’m sure Podesta mentioned how sick she is in the emails. Luckily I have them downloaded on my hard drive, I’ll check.
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Severe neurological disorders, if I recall. At least that’s what the peanut gallery contended.
Megalomania. I mean, the diagnosis is open and shut. Delusions of grandeur.
I mean, a woman, running as a Democrat?
Her self destructive attitude caused by her self loathing would have certainly led us into a war against that exemplar of manly manliness, Putin.
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Don’t forget their intellectual cover, Tarheeldem.
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Nice enemies list you are gathering there, Out of all that passsion, when do you expect to find enough to have Democratic victories in November?
Or are you going to remain passive and let stray GOP challengers pick off “solid Democratic districts”?
All 435 Congressional districts might very well be open seats as Mueller’s probe moves forward.
You are quite the counterintelligence tyro, aren’t you. I’m not covering anyone, just stating my own opinions. I don’t even see much of mine being quoted. Even by your squad.
I can understand why people are still angry that Trump and his Congress and legislators got elected. There is some real awful stuff that is unrolling that I voted straight Democratic ticket to prevent from resulting from Trumpublicans getting power.
As best I can tell, being intellectual has shifted in my 70 years from being a valuable attribute to being the primary sin against the public. It has now become what people sling when they can sling slurs. That’s why some of my Republican neighbors are quite willing to call President Obama an intellectual, even today, and not with the best tone of voice.
Can we just admit that our current election system in the United States is horribly broken? It is obviously exploitable by all those with resources, including unfortunately foreign powers. When running for office, is it really that much of a stretch to accept help in your election campaign from let’s say the Koch brothers dark money network and then a Russian oligarch? Not that I think either one is acceptable, but once selling your vote becomes your strategy to win, where does it stop?
Don’t get me wrong, I am very concerned that it appears Russia did try to influence the election, but I wish Democrats could pivot a little harder on the need for election reform- we are probably just as screwed giving up control of our government to the psychotic right wing billionaires as anyone else and it is very apparent that the “transparency is the best disinfectant” argument of our current supreme court is hopelessly naive, if not completely mendacious.
I think we will have to see just how implicated Trump is in the whole mess. I believe that it’s going to take some hard evidence that he knowingly accepted illegal help in the election to have a chance at removing him from office. And even then, it still will probably be a long shot. And it would probably take a really onerous act to get him charged with treason. But then again, Mueller sent John Gotti away for life after everyone thought that he was untouchable. It’s going to be interesting…
. . . of money deployed in attempts to buy our elections, there is no transparency.
Rosenstein appears to be in the bag for trump so nothing will get done either way.
Mueller faces two obstacles in bringing a treason charge.
This:
and the potential poisoning of the jury pool to a population of up to 63 million voters.
On the other hand, a clearcut conviction of Trump on treason automatically removes him from office without the politics of impeachment, does it not?
When you have allegations against Black Lives Matter clouding the indictment, things are not likely to be that clear-cut. What are the chances that Putin sympathizes with Deray McKesson’s position on civil rights?
“When you have allegations against Black Lives Matter clouding the indictment, things are not likely to be that clear-cut.”
I just read the indictment.
Please explain what you mean by this.
I hope you are merely communicating poorly here, and not bringing us intentional misinformation for some reason.
The news articles talk about involvement of Green Party, Black Lives Matter, and several other “unwitting” organizations.
The indictment tells that the operation targeted these groups and indicated which social media IDs were working to subvert the opinions of those networks. For Black Lives Matter, the ID charged in the indictment was Blacktivist.
What Blacktivist did might have gotten retweeted (for example) but did not change the direction of Black Lives Matter, which was independent of partisan politics, even electoral politics.
This year is different; Shaun King and his network seek to elect progressive district attorneys everywhere they can. King came to the NY Daily News out of the Black Lives Matter movement in Fergusaon, where he tweeted from the demonstrations.
It is the politicians and media that are going to fuzz what the indictment says about Black Lives Matter.
The misinformation is already out in news media, even Democratic and progessive newsmedia. And it is pure media sloppiness.
The indictment is very clear in its allegations.
Why do you doubt?
I look for, and notice, the sorts of media misrepresentations you’re claiming here. And I simply have not seen or heard media outlets misrepresenting BLM’s mention in the indictment. Feel free to share a sample which buttresses your claim.
I thought you might be claiming that the indictment itself was making allegations against BLM. It appears that was a misunderstanding. I certainly hope it was a misunderstanding.
Sort of along the lines I was thinking. Linkage, or it didn’t happen.
A better analysis of a much more consequential media misinformation campaign is summarized by Scott here.
The whole thing is good, but particularly worthwhile is this conclusion to the analysis, also worth considering by community members here and elsewhere:
“Elections are literally life-and-death matters, but they’re not to the most influential people who cover them. From a nice apartment in Brooklyn or a mansion in Rio it can be pretty easy to use your platform to spend elections rubbing your thighs raw about email server management best practices or some DNC rando saying something dumb about Bernie that everyone else ignored. But it’s bad journalism, and it’s also immoral. You have a responsibility to act as if the results of the election might mean you lose access to healthcare or be forced to subsist on a box of cans of wadded beef and shelf-stable milk that may or may not be sent to your house. That doesn’t mean ignoring serious misconduct by anyone or not engaging in tough reporting. But it does mean informing your readers, not actively collaborating with people whose goal is to ensure that the public is critically misinformed.”
I can’t get my head around your reasoning here.
The collusion involved an attack on the very foundation of the United States, our legal system, our electoral system, our government institutions and civil society. Any country that does that is de-facto an enemy of the United States, no scare-quotes required.
Donald Trump has spent his first year in office crippling the State Department, undermining our alliances, trying to drive a wedge between the member states of NATO, and attacking our intelligence services, while trying to lift sanctions on Russia worth billions to Putin and his cronies. He named a foreign agent to be his national security advisor, and another was chairman of his campaign. Jared Kushner was caught attempting to set up back-channel communications with the Kremlin specifically to evade American intelligence agencies. Trump is clearly vulnerable to blackmail and bribery.
In short, he is the ideal Russian agent.
So you’re saying that we should disband the Revolutionary Tribunal?
Now what am I going to do with all these Girondins?
“If we found out later on that a group of Americans were knowledgable about the preparations and staging for this attack and sought to benefit from it politically, then we probably would have no problem classifying them as traitors.”
So where does that leave McConnell?
As far as being enemies:
https:/www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-02-16/russia-attacked-u-s-troops-in-syria
As far as chilling out:
https:
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2018/02/16/puppies
Important points:
All of those indicted were foreign nationals or foreign owned entities. Being foreign is the basis of the “fraud” charge if you haven’t figured that one out yet.
If NSA penetrated the target in real time, it will be of consequence for the trial when this happened and what the trigger for the NSA investigation. This is in fact what NSA was set up to do, what it was doing before Stellar Wind, and why the argument that is preserving warrantless wiretapping of Americans is so bogus.