John Kiriakou blew the whistle on the CIA’s torture program and all he got for thanks was a twenty-three month long visit to the hoosegow. He doesn’t think that Gina Haspel should be confirmed as the next Director of Central Intelligence:
I was inside the CIA’s Langley, Va., headquarters on Sept. 11, 2001. Like all Americans, I was traumatized, and I volunteered to go overseas to help bring al-Qaeda’s leaders to justice. I headed counterterrorism operations in Pakistan from January to May 2002. My team captured dozens of al-Qaeda fighters, including senior training-camp commanders. One of the fighters whom I played an integral role in capturing was Abu Zubaida, mistakenly thought at the time to be the third-ranking person in the militant group.
By that May, the CIA had decided to torture him. When I returned to CIA headquarters that month, a senior officer in the Counterterrorism Center asked me if I wanted to be “trained in the use of enhanced interrogation techniques.” I had never heard the term, so I asked what it meant. After a brief explanation, I declined. I said that I had a moral and ethical problem with torture and that — the judgment of the Justice Department notwithstanding — I thought it was illegal.
Unfortunately, there were plenty of people in the U.S. government who were all too willing to allow the practice to go on. One of them was Gina Haspel, whom President Trump nominated Tuesday as the CIA’s next director.
I’m not going to pretend to know the truth about Haspel’s thirty-three year career in intelligence. When people in that field recommend her, I’m sure they are sincere and that she has performed most of her duties in a laudable manner.
I oppose her nomination irrespective of her overall record. And this is because what this country needs to do is to make it as clear as possible that torturing people was a mistake. It was an anomaly borne of the panic and stress of the devastating 9/11 attacks, but it’s contrary to our principles. Far from wanting to excuse the torture program or merely discontinue it, we want to argue with some credibility that other nations should respect people’s human rights and dignity and not mistreat people in their custody and at their mercy.
We cannot do that if one of the people most responsible for the torture and the cover-up is elevated to our top intelligence position. It doesn’t matter in the least to me whether she’d be good at the job or not. It doesn’t matter at all to me whether all the details about her role have been reported accurately (they haven’t been) because the degree of her culpability is not the point here. I don’t care that others above her in rank were more responsible and should be punished first before she takes her lashes. She’s not entitled to any position in government and not getting the directorship isn’t the same thing as going to jail when her bosses get off scot-free.
What matters most here is the appearance it creates, but it’s an appearance based in cold hard facts. If she becomes the new DCI, then we aren’t remotely serious or remorseful, and correcting our mistakes and repairing our image are clearly not among our priorities.
So, people in the intelligence community can vouch for her all they want. For me, it will fall on deaf ears. I’m willing to tolerate her avoiding a prison sentence, but that’s only because others should be behind bars before the prosecutors come for her. In truth, it’s only for practical reasons the torturers got a mulligan, and that practicality came at a high price for our nation’s reputation and moral credibility. Haspel’s confirmation would be more proof, as if we needed it, that the price of letting torturers off the hook has been too high.
Her confirmation must be opposed.
“What matters most here is the appearance it creates”…
Exactly. What a great terrorist recruiting tool. Surely the CIA is smart enough to grasp that.
Certainly they are. More terrorists equals more work for the CIA and fertile ground for the Permanent War establishment.
It’s a narrow line they walk. Foment winnable wars only…at least in the eyes of their masters.
War Is A Racket, written by retired U.S. Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler in 1935. Check it out.
This is nothing new. Only the means are new. The ends are as they have always been…profit for the hustlers.
AG
I think we have identified the source of the problem
Worth remembering to that from people who left the service and the data we’ve been allowed to see, the consensus is enhanced interrogation doesn’t work and the post-9/11 program was a failure that only made things worse for our country (maybe to Beltway Iran hawks that was a feature, not a bug).
Either way, maybe, just maybe, there are some life decisions that a person just can’t come back from…I know for us paroles there certainly are.
A link to Kiriakou’s interview with Amy Goodman.
While torture may be contrary to certain principles, it’s probably salutary–if we’re going to talk morals here–to ask whether the practice is as much of an anomaly here at home as many of us would like to tell ourselves. It’s hard to read the steady stream of reports from around the country about appalling treatment of prisoners by police and prison officials without coming up short against the question.
Is not Arpaio, for example, a torturer? He was kept in office long after his crimes began to come to light; now he’s the recipient of a presidential pardon, and a hero to many. That’s just the most notorious example; you never have to wait long before another ghastly report pops up in the news. It’s never one person acting without colleagues’ knowledge. Here the practice is called abuse or brutality if it’s named at all.
All the more urgent reason, of course, to reject this nomination categorically. She, like her nominator, like Arpaio, is a figure entirely beneath contempt.
This is circular logic isn’t it. Yes Arpaio is a torturer, and he was pardoned by the same man who wants a torturer to lead the CIA.
Exactly my point. That, and too many people in the country are just fine with torture.
With you all the way. The Nuremberg defense doesn’t cut it with me. A person with a moral code and a conscience would have said no and suffered the consequences.
To elevate her to this position sends a terrible message to the rest of the world.
Agreed but it will fail.
Kevin Drum put up a a DrumChart ™ that shows that:
1. the majority of Americans support torture (even Dems) 2. Significant chunks of people are afraid in public gathering places
…and suggests there’s a connection. Change that, and you can get public opposition to torture.
https:/www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/03/americans-love-torture
They are (sensibly) afraid of public gathering places because Gun-nuts are an absolutely protected class in America. If they think domestic Islamic Extremists are the only ones using the assault rifles, then they can’t see their hand in front of their face or add 2+2…
Practical reasons like survival of your DNA to the next generation. Big O weren’t no fool.
This a job or Senator McCain.
Look forward, not backward.
The fever will break.
There are no blue states or red states.
I hope that you are correct in this, LosGatosCA. I really do.
Thank you.
AG
Sorry, while I agree that in an ideal world she should be opposed, I am overwhelmed with the strong stench of the king’s court and the way it’s bipartisan business has been conducted for decades, starting with Ford’s pardon of Nixon. Q. Where was this woman in the torture enabling line? A. Relatively low. If you don’t believe me, how many of you have even heard of her before? Punishing her without addressing the actual senior perpetrators of torture – Cheney, Bush, many others – because “we have to look forward not backward” (Barack Obama) is, fundamentally, nothing more that colossal cowardice. Fingering a low level patsy is not the way of actual democracy.
She ran the secret prison, ordered the torture, and destroyed the evidence when the Senate began investigating.
If you had bothered to check, you would know that she has been in the news for more than a decade, because of it.
And the people “relatively low” on the torture enabling line, like Specialist Charles Graner and Private First Class Lynndie England were both sentenced to years in prison for doing the same thing that will earn Haspel her promotion.
If you had read what I wrote, I said I was “all for punishing her.” No defense of her can be made.
I take it that you’re OK with the real criminals, Bush, Cheney, Yoo… getting off Scot free. Good to know.
Look, Der Trumper is an open and obvious sadist and the enthusiastic sadism on the part of this woman in the halcyon days of Bushco was a strong factor in her favor. Our Great Leader Trumper loves torturing the helpless, and also delights in the tiresome GOoPer game of “Now the hypocritical libtards oppose a woman breaking the glass torture ceiling!” But in truth, American “conservatives” have never disavowed torture, have defended the indefensible under Bushco’s torture regime and can’t wait to torture again.
It’s a little surprising that Haspel and the CIA bigwigs want to open this kettle of (rotting) fish again, as certainly SOME Dem on the committee is going to force her to explain/defend her role, actions and mentality in the Cheney torture regime. I guess the CIA knows that at this point in the history of FailedNation, Inc., most citizens approve of government torture since it surely won’t be used on them, only evil Muslims. So much for the “conservative” movement’s concerns about the implacable power of Big Gub’mint, ha-ha.
As with the toleration for Gun-nuttery, mass gun murder and living daily in an ocean of automatic weaponry (concealed or otherwise), America’s enthusiasm for gub’mint-approved torture (“It works!”) is just another sign of the barbarism of the society. The ostensible appearance of civilization ultimately was a veneer, a facade. To be fair, the nation was knowingly led into the barbarism cesspool—the pliant citizens were dragged down, not held up, by our noble “leaders”, circa 2001.
Presumably some faction of the Dems will attempt to represent the interests and views of the (minority) faction of the citizenry that oppose government torture, since one would hope that we can (as a nation) at least pay some lip service to them. This is at least still some hybrid form of “democracy”, after all!
Trump chose her because she is pro-torture. He likely doesn’t know anything else about her. There should be no talk of her simply following policy, as Michael Hayden does:
“Haspel did nothing more and nothing less than what the nation and the agency asked her to do, and she did it well.”
Our media acted pathetically in covering the issue during the Bush administration, never referring to it by it’s name, then hiring many of its advocates to write editorials advocating the policy. Washington decided to move past it once Obama was elected, pretending it was no longer an issue. But this has festered over the last 9 years and the Republican party has been totally corrupted by it. Bush had the decency to be embarassed enough to lie about it. Trump boasts about it.
We have gone from a nation that condemns torture and prosecutes enemies for war crimes to one where torture is a partisan policy issue. All Americans need to condemn it and Haspel and all those who supported it should be cast out of civil society.
. . . Hayden will excuse her crimes!
To do otherwise implicates themselves.
Very eloquently stated.
The wheels of justice turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine. All of the information is still lodged in the John Durham secret grand jury files. Charles Savage has initiated a FOIA request to access it.
Sometimes we must look backward as well.
https:/www.politico.com/f?id=00000154-aff2-d98b-a7f7-fffff6d50000