Ever since George McGovern took his shellacking and Jimmy Carter failed to win the release of Iran’s hostages during his presidency, the Democrats have been skittish about looking weak on national defense. That didn’t prevent most of them from voting against the Persian Gulf War, but when that war appeared to have ended quickly and well, the beneficiaries were Democrats like Senator Al Gore who had supported the effort. Without that vote, he would not have become vice president or the nominee for president in 2000. What’s odd about this, though, is that the president who launched that war was defeated. He was defeated despite having enjoyed approval numbers in the nineties in the immediate aftermath of the shooting phase of the conflict. Nonetheless, the Democrats have never quite recovered from the trauma of being “wrong” about the Persian Gulf War, despite winning the next presidential election and despite the fact that they were right that the war would become a giant unending quagmire.
It’s been 10 years or so, so my memory is imperfect, but I recall that Barack Obama made a calculated decision to offset his opposition to the second war in Iraq by contrasting it with “the good war” in Afghanistan. At the time, our mission in Afghanistan was coming apart, but this was blamed on President Bush’s decision to prematurely declare victory and shift our resources to the Middle Eastern theater. I never really thought that Obama wanted to ramp up our commitment in Afghanistan, but he didn’t want to look like a peacenik, either. The early phase of his presidency, I recall, was mired in a dispute with his national security team. They wanted to increase our troop commitments in Afghanistan and President Obama was not satisfied with their rationales and proposed strategies. He felt like he was being pushed into it, and his campaign rhetoric had put him in a bit of a box. In the end, he reluctantly approved an escalation that turned out to work about as well as he feared it would.
It was a demonstration of how a president can get pushed around by the national security apparatus and be whipsawed by the politics of war. But it was nothing compared to what we see now:
The White House said on Wednesday that the United States is committed to continuing to fight the Islamic State in Syria, signaling a retreat by President Trump from his insistence that the 2,000 American forces there quickly return home from the conflict.
“The military mission to eradicate ISIS in Syria is coming to a rapid end, with ISIS being almost completely destroyed,” Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the press secretary, said in a statement issued one day after Mr. Trump met with military commanders to discuss the future of the mission. “The United States and our partners remain committed to eliminating the small ISIS presence in Syria that our forces have not already eradicated.”
The statement indicated that the president’s top military advisers, who have argued that maintaining United States forces in Syria is crucial to defeating the Islamic State and ensuring that the militant group cannot regain a foothold in the region, have succeeded — at least for now — in persuading an impatient commander in chief not to order a quick withdrawal.
It was the latest instance of the president making an unscripted remark with far-reaching implications that prompted a behind-the-scenes scramble by his advisers to translate blunt talk into an official government policy.
This came immediately after Trump announced yesterday that we will soon leave Syria (to the Russians) as he promised on the campaign. While exaggerating how much we’ve spent in the Middle East, Trump is still correct that we’ve spent a fortune. He claimed yesterday that we have exactly nothing to show for it, primarily because we were foolish and didn’t steal all the oil.
He may be crazy and flat wrong on many details, but he is the president and if he wants to end our commitment to the region, you’d think that he could force a change in policy. But he can’t. Obama found himself handcuffed in some respects, too.
If there is such a thing as the “deep state,” this is how it manifests itself. Even presidents have to bow to them on occasion. But that doesn’t mean that our foreign policy establishment is always wrong. In most ways, at the moment, they are showing more prudence and wisdom than the president who seems to craft every policy to the benefit of the Kremlin.
The so-called deep state is currently protecting us from a resumption of torture, a dismantling of NATO, and unraveling of the European Union, Russian interference in our elections, Russian use of nerve agents, and a variety of human rights violations related to the free exercise of religion, immigration, the right of transgender troops to serve, and more. Some of this is being protected by the courts, but the rest is being protected by people in the Pentagon, the intelligence community, and the State Department. That they don’t want to just hand Syria over to Vladimir Putin is part of this overall picture.
So, watching them exercise their power is concerning but also instructive. The same tools that they using, currently for good, can be used for bad ends. And our record in foreign affairs is bad enough at this point under the leadership of presidents from both parties that it’s not as if we should trust these forces to look out for our best interests.
It’s just that in our current situation, we need them to prevent one catastrophe after another. Someday we might have a president who knows what he’s doing and finds himself stymied by the deep state and prevented from making wise policy changes. We don’t have that kind of president right now.
Yes, they’re absolutely ignoring him. I’ve been using #MrTrumpIsNotAuthorizedToSpeakForTheWhiteHouse. But it isn’t because they’re the dread Deep State in my view, it’s because of his own incompetence.
Trump doesn’t have any idea how to mobilize power except by screaming at people. He issues a tweet and thinks it’s an imperial rescript, but it doesn’t make anything happen. He doesn’t understand the forms for that, and he’s losing everybody who has a clue, or they’re learning how to ignore him.
The national security apparatus has to do without him, essentially, not in the first place because they want to, but because he’s basically AWOL. He won’t pay attention and he won’t speak coherently. They have to figure out what to do thejmselves and convince him it’s what he asked for. Of course they also don’t literally want to blow up the world or the US economy except for the random stupid hires like Miller or Bolton or that ass Navarro. Those who are moderately responsible try to evade him, and Pruitt and Carson and Sessions do what they want, if they happen to want to do anything.
And when he really fucks up publicly and demands something they can’t pretend to be doing at all, this happens. Or they try to do half of it. It’s getting to be a bigger problem, with the Kim invitation and the Putin invitation and the trade war.
It’s not like Obama though, where they were fighting him and he understood what was going on and fought back. Trump’s in bed watching Fox and yelling and having no idea what his own responsibilities are.
Right. It’s not like the MIC is the only group ignoring him. Everybody’s ignoring him.
Yell yell yell [is there a policy here?] yell yell yell [what’s the next step?] yell yell yell [that’s not even a bit legal] yell yell yell [sigh…]
Yes. It feels like the donald is about to do a Reagan/Lebanon thing where he puts our soldiers in harms and gets lots of them killed.
I think that’s correct. The entire political Establishment is in pure damage control and containment mode at this point. Meanwhile, the GOP Congress is completely checked out and anyway they long ago gave up even a pretense of an oversight role because IOKIYAR.
But, as Trump continues to steadily deteriorate mentally (and I think finally people have stopped hoping for a “pivot” that can’t possibly happen) he is going to become ever more dangerously unstable and erratic. The nation’s geopolitical rivals (looking at Putin and Xi) will become even more emboldened.
I still have a hard time believing that the meeting with Kim is actually going to happen but, if it does, I think the best outcome we can hope for is for it to be at best a grip-and-grin session with vague promises to talk more in the future.
Otherwise, if Trump is not going to be removed from office, he has to stripped of any independent executive powers for the god of the nation.
(And comparing Trump to Obama on foreign policy formulation and execution is just ridiculous.)
I’m gonna fix your first sentence for historical accuracy.
“Ever since FDR recognized de facto Soviet hegemony in Eastern Europe at the end of World War II, the Democrats have been skittish about looking weak on national defense.”
McGovern and Carter were aberrations brought on by the trauma of Vietnam, but this really goes all the way back to the original fear of Nixon.
“… he is the president and if he wants to end our commitment to the region, you’d think that he could force a change in policy. But he can’t. Obama found himself handcuffed in some respects, too.”
I find the emphasis in this statement odd. I would put it like this: that even Obama, with all his political skills and general smarts, was not able to do everything he wanted with the military. Though actually he did pretty well in controlling some of their worst impulses.
Whereas Trump has none of that savvy and none of those skills. He knows absolutely zilch about foreign and military affairs. He doesn’t even have a viable staff to him, he doesn’t read, and has no attention span. So I would not think he had any leverage over the military, whether by force or by argument, by the bare fact that he is president. Quite the contrary.
From what I can tell, the Kurds (who have been our allies) are going to be wiped out to the great satisfaction of Turkey, Russia and Syria.
As for the deep state, to me that’s simply another phrase for the bureaucracy. Domestically it is also a check on the wild impulses of Trump and his totally incompetent appointments, but by the end of his term the professionals in the various agencies will have quit or been sidelined to ineffective positions. All the resource agencies (FWS, BLM, FS, NOAA etc), state, justice and so on are in free fall.
I am waiting for the Trump supporters to find that there are government services they really like that are being seriously diminished. That there are policies that help them which are being eviscerated. Maybe midwestern states hurt by the Chinese tariffs on agricultural products will be the first. Areas depending on military spending for their economy will be the only winners. Every state has at least one of them, sometimes a lot more.
Does anyone else see the possibility that it’s going to be the military that removes Trump from office? That he’s going to become so erratic in his direction to the military that they decide he can’t stay? I’m not in favor of a military coup but I do see the possibility.
No, I don’t see that happening. So I am curious to hear your ideas on how it would take place.
I can’t really say that it’s a fully formed hypothesis, so I can’t give you a scenario on how it would play out; it’s just something that has occurred to me and I wondered what other people thought.
I personally that this possibility is why Mattis has stayed so long and doesn’t seem to be making any preparations to leave. He’s not a mad dog, he’s a watchdog.
How far would Trump have to go to force a military takeover?
Probably trying to order serious preemptory strikes on China, Russia or their really close allies.
Could happen…
But short of that?
Naaaahhhh…
AG
P.S. Now the spooks might have other plans.
They always do…
“We don’t have that kind of president right now.”
I think the understatement meter just broke.