If Michael Cohen went to Prague, then Donald Trump will be impeached, convicted, and removed from office, assuming he doesn’t resign. Digby says it is the whole enchilada, and she’s right. But Adam Davidson may be right that scrutiny of Cohen’s business records are going to be sufficient on their own, regardless of what can proven about the Prague trip.
For starters, reporters Peter Stone and Greg Gordon of McClatchy set the world on fire (for those in the know) with their Thursday evening article that revealed that “Mueller has evidence Cohen was in Prague in 2016.”
The Justice Department special counsel has evidence that Donald Trump’s personal lawyer and confidant, Michael Cohen, secretly made a late-summer trip to Prague during the 2016 presidential campaign, according to two sources familiar with the matter…
…investigators have traced evidence that Cohen entered the Czech Republic through Germany, apparently during August or early September of 2016 as the ex-spy reported, said the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is confidential.
Now, these two anonymous sources could be wrong but given the stakes, there is no way McClatchy would make such an explosive charge if they weren’t extremely confident that their sources are in a position to know and have no plausible reason to mislead them.
Michael Cohen still denies that he traveled to Prague in 2016, or ever.
Bad reporting, bad information and bad story by same reporter Peter Stone @McClatchyDC. No matter how many times or ways they write it, I have never been to Prague. I was in LA with my son. Proven! https://t.co/ra7nwjUA0X
— Michael Cohen (@MichaelCohen212) April 14, 2018
That’s a lie. He’s already admitted that he travelled to Prague in 2001, not that this is relevant to the question at hand. But it is relevant that the only part of that tweet we can confirm is not true.
I suppose some of you want to know why it will be so consequential if Cohen has been lying about traveling to Prague in 2016. I may write that piece tomorrow, but for today it should suffice that the central accusation of the Steele Dossier is that Cohen was the Trump’s campaign’s main contact with the Russians after Paul Manafort was fired, and that he went to Prague because Moscow would have been too obvious. While there, he colluded with the Russians on a host of issues, including on how to compensate Romanian hackers, how to manage the fallout from the Manafort flameout and how to explain Carter Page’s recent trip to Moscow.
According to the Kremlin insider, COHEN now was heavily engaged in a cover up and damage limitation operation in the attempt to prevent the full details of TRUMP’s relationship with Russia being exposed. In pursuit of this aim, COHEN had met secretly with several Russian Presidential Administration (PA) Legal Department officials in an EU country in August 2016. The immediate issues had been to contain further scandals involving MANNAFORT’s commercial and political role in Russia/Ukraine and to limit the damage arising from exposure of former TRUMP foreign policy advisor, Carter PAGE’s secret meetings with Russian leadership figures in Moscow the previous month. The overall objective had been “to sweep it all under the carpet and make sure no connections could be fully established or proven.”
COHEN had been accompanied to Prague by 3 colleagues and the timing of the visit was either in the last week of August or the first week of September. One of their main Russian interlocutors was Oleg SOLODUKHIN operating under Rossotrudnichestvo cover. According to [redacted], the agenda comprised questions on how deniable cash payments were to be made to hackers who had worked in Europe under Kremlin direction against the CLINTON campaign and various contingencies for covering up these operations and Moscow’s secret liaison with the TRUMP team more generally.
From the beginning, the central defense against these charges was that Cohen had not travelled to Prague and that he could prove it. He has not been able to prove it.
…Democratic investigators for the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, which are conducting parallel inquiries into Russia’s election interference, also are skeptical about whether Cohen was truthful about his 2016 travels to Europe when he was interviewed by the panels last October, two people familiar with those probes told McClatchy this week. Cohen has publicly acknowledged making three trips to Europe that year – to Italy in July, England in early October and a third after Trump’s November election. The investigators intend to press Cohen for more information, said the sources, who lacked authorization to speak for the record
One of the sources said congressional investigators have “a high level of interest” in Cohen’s European travel, with their doubts fueled by what they deem to be weak documentation Cohen has provided about his whereabouts around the time the Prague meeting was supposed to have occurred.
Trump was not a bystander in the cover story. He publicly claimed that when the Prague story first emerged he was suspicious enough to call Cohen into his office and demand that he produce his passport. He then claimed, falsely, that a different Michael Cohen had been at the meetings with the Russians, as if that would make any kind of sense.
Cohen could have gone to Prague for some innocent reason, but he would have explained his reasoning for making the trip in that case instead of concocting cover stories and claiming that he was in Los Angeles during the times in question.
If he was in Prague, he was there for the reasons the Steele dossier said he was there. And if that is the case, then the case for collusion is proven beyond any shadow of a doubt.
Proven, perhaps. Insufficient cause for his removal, though.
The people who care — Democrats, fans of the rule of law, etc — don’t have the power, and the people who have the power — the GOP, white nationalists, finance capital — don’t care.
People forget how poised on a knife edge this country was in the fall of 2016. You have to remember the gravity of the threat. Pearl Harbor pales by comparison.
The. Bitch. Was. Going. To. Win.
Collusion? Extraordinary times require extraordinary measures. I remember when we invaded a foreign country to stave off the twin threats of gay marriage and higher top marginal rates of income tax.
Don’t waste any more time talking about the evidence. Sure he’s guilty. Show me the political case leading to impeachment and conviction. Even if Democrats take the House in November, why do you think the Senate will convict?
I believe that the international corporate entities running both the DemRats and RatPubs will finally reach a point where they believe that further TrumpFlap will begin to seriously threaten their profits.
At that point… which may have already been reached…he will soon be disappeared (by any means necessary), replaced by another, more reliable faux Chief Operating Officer, someone who will serve to let the smoke settle from this awful Trumpist conflagration before all of the marks wise up to the game.
The little man on the next coin (He Who Never Has Dinner Alone With Another Woman ‘Cuz He’s That Kind Of Christian) would be perfect for this antidotal Trump role, provided of course that the controllers’ mighty efforts to keep him relatively unsullied by the ongoing Trump criminality have been successful.
A reverse fall guy. (Another in the long line of Intel deception tactics like “limited hangout.” Bet on it.)
At the very least he’d be an adequate holding piece until another winner is (
s)elected.Watch.
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P.S. Or of course…
Both “good for business.”
Anybody but Sanders.
Bet on that as well it.
Riiiiiight…
<blocquote>Scylla and Charybdis???
Never again!!!
Lookit what happened this time!!!
Next time it’ll be the Scylla vs. Scylla v.2 campaign.
Watch.
Exactly. The Republicans in congress will never impeach him, and if the Dems take the house the Senate will never get 2/3. They are utterly depraved.
You severely underestimate the capacity for evil from the base to the 1% in the Republican Party.
Once they reconciled `Russia are you listening’ along with `grab em by the pussy’ there really aren’t any limits to the evil rationalization they are capable and fully willing to do.
Remember the blood bath in the Republican primaries for any ring leaders is the real concern for these people. Neither the honor nor the security of the country rate in the top ten of their priorities.
I won’t say `these guys ain’t dumb,’ but I can definitely see Putin moles being told to leak a disprovable story to discredit the press reporting.
Just one discredited story like this in the press renders everything after it – true or not – fake news for the Republican base who have absolute veto power over every path forward from here.
Great. All you need now are 18 Republican senators willing to end their political careers over it.
Nah. By next January Trump will be too toxic to survive, he will go down.
Like with Nixon, things can’t happen until they can.
when DonnyJr released his e-mail eagerly (“If it’s what you say I love it”) accepting a meeting with Russians promising dirt on Clinton, which was proposed to him thusly:
Period. Point. Full stop. Case closed. Everything after that is just footnotes nailing down the collusion details.
Read Donald Trump Jr.’s emails seeking sensitive information about Hillary Clinton from Russia
Mueller’s team has already proved their goal of producing indictments based on paper evidence. It’s what has nailed Manafort so thoroughly. Various witnesses have described the team as knowing things down to the smallest detail.
So in Cohen’s case Mueller will likely produce how Cohen got over to Germany (gawd I hope it was on a Nat’l Enquirer private jet), what car rental agency he used, gas receipts, breakfast chits and more. And did he pay for the trip out of pocket or did someone else pick up the tab.
Has the FBI already tracked down the hackers? Were there security cameras operating that picked up the meeting?
This has, as you’ve said, the potential to end all denials.
A small tidbit from one of the box quotes above;
“COHEN had been accompanied to Prague by 3 colleagues…..”
3 colleagues is awfully specific unless they know for sure. One of those three talked. Once he talked, that tells Mueller exactly where they were, and when. Then it becomes easy.
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There’s also a piece up at Kos that points towards one of the hackers being in Prague same time frame. He’s been caught and is San Fran before Fed’l court so he may be talking about the Prague meetup, and/or flipping.
I seem to recall everyone getting their panties in a bunch over another “Prague” story about a malefactor someone swore had been there for nefarious purposes.
His name was Mohamed Atta. That story didn’t end well for its proponents.
Without more proof, I’m filing this one in the same drawer I keep the Pee Tape.
Jeez, jsrtheta!!!
That’s gonna be one smelly drawer by the time this shitfight is over!!!
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He won’t be removed unless we flip the House. Full stop.
I don’t think you understand what confirmation of the Prague piece would mean.
please explain what you think it would mean to a Republican congressmember.
I don’t often think it, but Booman????
Trump was right. He could murder someone on 5th ave at noon and get away with it. That includes not getting impeached.
If we don’t take the House, no impeachment. Period.
Even if we take the house there won’t be a SUCCESSFUL impeachment.
Confirmation of the Prague trip would strengthen the Steele dossier.
Other than that … don’t see much of a difference. The legal cases grind on, and some Trump flunkies may go to jail or not.
Convincing Republican senators on an impeachment conviction means convincing their paymasters, and what does a Prague summer do to change them? I’ll bet you can only get to them if the legal cases reach their doorsteps.
Convincing the public that still supports Trump to abandon him on this basis? No. Too complicated and weird. Besides, you’re arguing with anti-vaxxer or creationist – type reasoning – not budging.
No, I do. I’ve been following the story.
I just do not believe the Republicans would do anything about it.
Not sure who made this point, but if the GOP goes along, that will be the end of their party, since the GOP is largely a Trump cult of personality at this point. Their voters would never forgive them, and they NEED that crazy base.
‘Cohen in Prague’; sad, noir B-flick like a used-up bag-man’s ‘Leaving Las Vegas’.
https://twitter.com/TVietor08/status/984933629745774593
“If he was in Prague, he was there for the reasons the Steele dossier said he was there. And if that is the case, then the case for collusion is proven beyond any shadow of a doubt.”
That may well be, but even if it were proven to be true would hardly mean that Trump’s removal from office is then a foregone conclusion.
There is already more than enough publicly available information right now that would easily justify an effort to impeach AND convict that would survive charges of partisan motivation.
In the case of Bill Clinton, it was clear that the GOP’s actions were motivated purely on partisanship. But you could take any number of Trump transgressions that are already in the public domain WITH evidence of — how about violations of the emoluments clause and instances of his family enriching themselves?
Point being that if the GOP had a principled bone in its collective body, removal proceedings, in whatever form that would take, would already have commenced.
I’m placing my hopes and bets on hard evidence, the paper trail, of financial crimes. This will be harder to ignore than tenuous claims and indicators of political conspiracy which may rely on ‘he said, she said’ type testimony and counter claims of ‘everyone does it, it just politics’.
That said if they can bring the shit gibbon down for conspiracy I’d be very happy. With the financial crimes they might get the whole trumpian nest of deplorables.
I’m in the same league as the others who think this won’t end the imbicile’s reign. The average person simply isn’t paying that close attention to any of this. There is no way the GOP goes against DT until and unless they get pummeled but good in November. I wouldn’t be surprised if they weren’t looking for a way to get help from the Russians there too.
Until the GOP remove all their support from him, he’s not going anywhere. That’s what did in Nixon; that is the only thing that will do in DT. It’s weird too, because Pence is more their ideal figurehead. Why they’re not poised to substitute that fanatic for the imbecile is a mystery to me.
I think it might be same reason you mention.
“Pence who?” Nobody talks about his approval rating, or anything about him. Mr Trump gets all the love. And the votes. Without him ….
I believe Pence has deliberately faded into the background because he’s worried about his own culpability. Wasn’t he part of or head of the transition team that let Flynn through the cracks? And didn’t he hire his own defense attorney?
That, plus he’s seen what happens to people who get more/better press than the big boss.
I would be grateful if someone could point me to a tutorial on how to insert links, text boxes (quotes) and how to generally edit my posts. I’m struggling with the interface.
Here’s the link from Alan Abramowitz on Larry Sabato’s website at UVA. Sorry I haven’t learned how to do this in a more elegant fashion.
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/explaining-support-for-trump-in-the-white-work
ing-class-race-vs-economics/
The bottom line of his article is that Trump’s base is fundamentally driven by cultural and racial issues, and economic arguments may have minimal effect. This not really news – but Abrmowitz is using more recent data from Pew to confirm previous analysis.
The Republican Party is the Trump Party now. It has completely gone over to the dark side. The energy, the turnout, the culture of the party is now in the hands of the Deplorables. Many folks on this forum will argue that the Republicans have always been deplorable, and they have a right to their opinion.
As a teacher, and as someone who leans moderate-to-conservative on many issues, I see a party that gave us Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and Ike Eisenhower. I weep for what has become of the Grand Old Party.
In the current situation, there are very few incentives for Republicans in Congress to challenge their sitting president.
Martin makes a strong case, and I pray he is correct. However, I don’t see how we get to 2/3 of the Senate voting to convict.
I’m afraid we’re going to have a long slog. Democrats will have to win in 2018, and then they must engineer an electoral victory in 2020.
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Sorry to do this publicly; I’m not aware of a way to do it privately. Hope it’s clear.
Thank you!
To edit: Comment on another blog. There’s no such function here.
. . . if used, mostly eliminates need for an edit function.
Yes, and it’s helpful. Thanks!
The other variable is the quantity of caffeine in my system when I post. Low caffeine levels lead to muddled thinking and not seeing the errors when I hit “preview.”
I’ve heard many folks say they’ll hire a chef, a driver, a maid, etc., when they win the lottery.
As for me, if I hit the jackpot, I’m hiring a live-in editor.
I wouldn’t. I’ve got one.
Its a pain in the ass.
Heh. Proofreader for a living here; even we professionals miss stuff!
Now, let me test this linking thingie with a hat tip to No More Mister Nice Blog and his take on whether Trump is really going down.
Hey, it works!
. . . “conservative” Trump voters is certainly warranted.
[Cliché Alert!]
We’ll just have to wait and see which prognostication is correct.
Steve spends a lot of time wading through the rightwing sewers so his readers don’t have to, and it darkens his worldview (wonder why????); I always say he can find the black lining on every silver cloud; but if you allow for that his analyses are generally excellent. Along with Booman he’s my every-day read.
Trump may be removed in 2019 or 2020, or he may merely be very discredited by then. By then his behavior will be furthur deteriorated and erratic, he will increasingly be frustrated in his inability to fire people by the difficulty in finding replacements willing to join a flailing and discredited administration. (Vacancies will proliferate as the rats depart the ship).
Trump’s GOP support is, for some/many congresscritters, based on narrow calculation of self-interest. The tradition has grown up of winning the primary by pandering to the extremists because you can’t win the general without being nominated. And the extremists are committed to the point of being unreachable, mostly.
The mostly ignored other factor is that winning the primary isn’t worth much if the general is unwinnable. But Michael Cohen is going to force some number of congresscritters to think about that. Some factors:
A) Primary voters are reliable voters for the general, but might not show up if the cult hero Trump is being dissed.
B) The GOP also needs less reliable voters, ones who maybe don’t watch Fox News but are influenced by their friends who do.
C) The GOP also needs Democratic voters to not be energized to the point of showing up in large numbers.
Michael Cohen plays into this because the alternate reality created by Fox et. al. affects not only the A) voters but the B) voters also. And for at least a few voters, but enough to matter crucially, indictments, trials, facts can damage the Fox illusion. Not just that, but angry voters vote, and the Michael Cohen stuff will stoke Democratic anger.
Bottom line, Trump will become an increasingly stinky rotting albatross, and the GOP will become desperate to get it removed from its neck. Buh -bye. Or maybe the administration is just merely crippled and Trump limps along. Whatever.
Bear in mind that getting rid of Nixon was impossible. Until it wasn’t. (I have some memories of this, I was old enough to watch the Senate Watergate hearings).
Nancy wrote the piece I was planning to write this morning, and she did a good job of it.