Jason Crow is a candidate for the sixth congressional seat in Colorado. According to his campaign website he is “the grandson of a bricklayer and son of small business owners” who payed for college by enlisting in the National Guard and working construction. In college, he joined the ROTC and finished at the top of his class as the Distinguished Military Graduate. He served with the 82nd Airborne Division during the invasion of Iraq and won the Bronze Star for his actions at the Battle of As Samawah. He served two more tours of duty with the Army Rangers in Afghanistan before retiring with the rank of Captain. Here’s a little more about what Mr. Crow has done since he left active duty.
In 2012, fueled by the same patriotism and sense of justice that drove him to enlist in the military, Jason spoke at the Democratic National Convention, making the case for President Obama’s repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.” He has also advised President Obama’s reelection campaign on military and veterans’ issues, co-chaired Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper’s Veterans Affairs Transition Committee, and co-chaired Veterans for Mark Udall…
…Jason served 5 years on the Colorado Board of Veterans Affairs, focusing on veterans homelessness and substance abuse issues. He also chaired the statewide veterans committee that led the charge to bring the Denver Veterans Medical Center to Aurora – replacing an overcrowded, 60-year-old VA hospital no longer able to meet the need. Jason has dedicated hundreds of hours mentoring individual veterans transitioning from military to civilian life, and helping expand programs in Colorado addressing veterans substance abuse.
Mr. Crow is also an attorney who works with the firm Holland & Hart.
In recognition of his legal work, civic involvement, and ceaseless pro bono volunteerism, Jason was named one of Denver Business Journal’s “40 Under 40” in 2013; received the University of Denver’s Amie Hyde Award in 2015; and was honored with the United Veterans Committee’s Outstanding Service Award in 2011.
Based on what I’ve told you so far, it might seem like Mr. Crow is a model candidate to fill the role of a moderate or centrist Democrat running in a competitive swing district with a Republican incumbent. I’m sure the DCCC loves his biography. They put him on their Red-to-Blue fundraising list last November, and that put an end to any pretense of neutrality in the primaries for the Sixth Congressional seat. Prior to that, Crow received donations from PACs controlled by DCCC chairman Ben Ray Luján and House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer. He also seems to have enjoyed other preferential treatment including specialized training and access to data and donor lists, none of which were offered to other candidates.
One of those other candidates is Levi Tillemann. Mr. Tilleman is “the grandson of the late Rep. Tom Lantos, D-Calif., on his mother’s side and the grandson of former Colorado Lt. Gov. Nancy Dick on his father’s side.” Despite this, he says he grew up in “a working-class neighborhood of Denver.” He has a Ph.D and speaks Chinese, Spanish, Portuguese, and Japanese. He had the capital to found “an energy efficient engine design company” and “in 2012, was appointed by President Barack Obama to advise the Energy Department.” By all appearances, Mr. Tilleman comes from a politically elite family and might expect to follow the family tradition of public service in the political field, and to have considerable support for his efforts.
He discovered, however, that the DCCC had a clear preference for Mr. Crow and was putting their fingers on the scale. And, to be honest, it’s pretty clear that the DCCC wasn’t honest about this for quite some time. They professed neutrality in the race not only to Mr. Tilleman but to other candidates as well despite the fact that they, with the agreement of the Colorado congressional delegation, had secretly made the decision to back Crow.
Tilleman didn’t take this lying down. He complained repeatedly and with growing volume until Steny Hoyer agreed to meet with him. When they sat down to talk, Tilleman pressed ‘record’ on his phone and captured the entire conversation. He then leaked that audio file to The Intercept which has now published a truncated version along with a wise-ass cartoon animation.
In the cartoon and accompanying article, Mr. Crow is portrayed as a “corporate lawyer” and as a centrist moderate who was hand-picked as a way to shut out more progressive candidates. For me, that’s where this controversy goes off the rails.
For starters, with some exceptions in extreme cases, it’s generally unfair to attack attorneys for the clients they choose to represent. In this case, Crow has apparently represented the payday lending company Western Sky Financial and the fracking firm Slawson Exploration. His firm has also defended gun manufacturers. That’s fodder for his political opponents, certainly, but objectively it doesn’t tell us that Mr. Crow is in the bag for these clients. In truth, the central theme of Crow’s campaign so far has been an aggressive push for gun control measures. The Sixth Congressional District contains Aurora and is adjacent to Columbine, where two of the most infamous mass-casualty gun crimes in our nation’s history took place. Crow’s proposals include “universal background checks, a ban on military-style assault weapons, magazine limitations, closing the gun show loophole, addressing ‘no fly, no buy,’ overturning the Dickey Amendment, and better checks and mental health reforms.” He also proposes the compelled “disclosure of chemicals used in hydraulic fracturing operations to protect public health and safety,” and has a very detailed and progressive-minded set of environmental proposals.
As already mentioned, he’s been a leader on LGBT issues. He’s pro-choice and supports Planned Parenthood. He supports the Dreamers and comprehensive immigration reform. He promises to fight school vouchers and support public education. If you’re trying to find any place where he might not pass the progressive litmus test, you can look to health care. He supports the Affordable Care Act and wants to add a public option, but he isn’t calling for a Medicare-for-All single-payer system.
There isn’t any doubt that the DCCC and the Colorado congressional delegation wants Crow to be the nominee and that they’ve been less than forthright about their efforts to help him at the expense of other candidates. What’s not clear is that they’ve been doing this because they want a candidate who doesn’t support progressive issues. They like his biography. They like his ability to raise money. They think he’s capable of winning this seat and they’re not so sure about the others.
What Steny Hoyer told him is that the DCCC picks winners in primaries all the time because they don’t want to run into the problem the Republicans have faced repeatedly where badly flawed candidates win the nomination and then blow easy chances to pick up seats. In some cases, that could be a decision made on the types of issues the candidates are pursuing. In certain seats, the DCCC may believe (sometimes incorrectly) that a more progressive candidate won’t have a decent chance at winning. I just don’t see those factors as having a role in Colorado’s Sixth Congressional District. If they wanted someone who could appeal to Republican voters, they would not choose a guy whose main theme is gun control and who checks all the boxes on abortion, gay rights, and immigration. This is a seat that voted narrowly for Hillary Clinton and the DCCC thinks an unapologetic Democrat can win it.
The way The Intercept portrays this race and its candidates is deeply misleading and dishonest.
And it’s a shame because there is an actual issue here that is worth discussing. Levi Tillemann is justifiably incensed that his campaign for office is being opposed by the DCCC and that they are supporting one of his opponents. He has a right to be angry that he’s been denied resources that were offered to Mr. Crow. Most of all, however, he was lied to and misled for months and months as party operatives assured him of their neutrality.
Tilleman sees all of this as deeply undemocratic because it’s taking a choice away from the voters. Mr. Hoyer unapologetically asked him to drop out of the race. I think that’s a simplistic and idealistic way of viewing politics, and it doesn’t give enough consideration to the duty and responsibility party leaders have to recruit, train, and finance candidates. But the role the DCCC plays (or should play) in primaries is certainly a good topic for discussion and debate. What I think they certainly should not do is be dishonest.
These worthy areas of conversation are lost, however, when the whole thing becomes a false story about the DCCC preferring an anti-progressive corporate lawyer to a genuine grassroots member of The Resistance. Personally, I like that Tilleman is focused on anti-monopoly measures and seems a little more focused on economic inequality than Mr. Crow. But I don’t see that much difference between them, and I think it can be argued that Crow had fewer advantages in life and more of a working class upbringing.
I certainly understand Tilleman’s frustrations and his complaints. His decision to tape and share his private conversation with Steny Hoyer is an outgrowth of those frustrations. It might have been a defensible thing to do if the information had been presented fairly and honestly, but that’s not how The Intercept treated it. They mischaracterized Mr. Crow’s record and built a false narrative based on erroneous assertions. This isn’t a case of the DCCC picking a pro-corporate candidate over a genuine progressive. It isn’t an example of the Democratic Party abandoning key constituencies and selling out core principles by backing a GOP-Lite candidate. It’s a case of the DCCC finding a candidate they think is a winner and working to strengthen that candidate for the general election campaign.
In other words, the DCCC was doing their job of trying to build a team of candidates that can win a majority. They can defend most of what they’ve done here, but they should not have lied about it. If they make a decision to back a candidate in a primary, they should announce their decision. And if they have some reason why they’re afraid to announce it, then they should stay neutral.
“The Intercept portrays this race and its candidates is deeply misleading and dishonest.”
Wha? I’m SHOCKED the Intercept would do this…shocked I tells ya!
I mean, it wasn’t like the Democratic Party got similarly attacked throughout 2015-2016 when the balance of the Supreme Court was on the line….and, I’m sure to the surprise of the Intercept’s faux-libertarian sugar daddy, an ultra-pro business justice got appointed by President Stupid.
Remember the last two years of C- Augustus’ presidency? Every last Democratic Senator, including the Walmart twins(Lincoln & Pryor), voted for EFCA. It was brought back up again once Obama became president. Do you remember what happened then? That’s right. It never became law. In fact it never even came up for a vote. And yet you, and others here, protect the Democrats. And then you wonder why they constantly lose and could lose to a chump like Trump.
It has been said that the generals are always preparing to fight the last war. Really, the one before that, tho’ that does not make so neat a phrase.
Similarly, the party committees are always preparing to win the last election, or several cycles back. This year, they are apparently trying to win 2010.
Another good old trope is sailors taking credit for favorable winds. Despite this, favorable winds are unconditionally good.
Tillemann stands as much chance of winning the district as I do. And I’m not running.
“What’s not clear is that they’ve been doing this because they want a candidate who doesn’t support progressive issues. “
If only there were any previous situations like this to examine.
You know, where there was a corporate and a progressive candidate vying for the same seat. Then we could see if the Democratic establishment had done anything underhanded to disadvantage the progressive.
that’s the problem of course; as I noted in AG’s recent diary, this year’s official theme from the anti-Democratic-Party forces is “evil Democratic establishment screwing progressives”, very intentionally stirring up bad feelings from two years ago.
AG quoted Counterpunch from the “left” and NYT from the serious “center”, and now Intercept is weighing in. They find examples from different places, but as with this story, they don’t offer evidence that the favored candidate is unacceptably conservative.
That’s absolutely true. But it’s the job of the DCCC to repair those bad feelings. (Well, or to maintain or exacerbate them, if they think that’ll help us win elections. But I’m assuming that a unified left is better.) That’s their job. If they do not repair those feelings, or indeed if they act in such a way as to make the divisions worse, they’re failures.
On the other hand, it’s the job of the Intercept to be a self-righteous gadfly, or pay the rent, or, I don’t know, to make ‘establishment’ lefties defensive. I don’t know what their job is, but I’m pretty sure their mission statement doesn’t include, ‘strengthen the Democratic Party.’
The Intercept, in making a fuss, is doing their job.
Crow, in his willingness to accept the DCCC’s help to strengthen his campaign, is doing his job (whether he knew they were lying or not).
Tillemann, in his attempt to use this to strengthen his campaign, is doing his job.
I honestly don’t know wtf the DCCC is doing. Outreach to their base, I guess?
Yeah as we all know, the problem is the dishonesty of DCCC’s chicanery, so that instead means we need to be dishonest ourselves? This is ridiculous. If you want to advocate for a candidate, advocate for your candidate. But don’t make up dumb narratives which are easily disprovable in service of that. Do we want to change the system, or play king of the hill of “whose people hold power”?
The problem is the incompetence of the DCCC, not the dishonestly. I’m all for effective dishonesty.
Though other’n that, I honestly can’t track what you’re saying. I’ve never heard of either of these candidates before. Which one do I prefer? Tilliman? I can’t imagine you’re implying that the DCCC wants to change the system, though. I’m confused.
I don’t have any preference and couldn’t say so at this hour even if I wanted. My point is, why did the Intercept build their case of “the DCCC is bad and corrupt” by putting the other candidate up on a pedestal and trashing the DCCC’s with a false narrative when it’s not only unnecessary, but it will now fuel m bullshit takes from separate corners of each political faction, preventing potential reforms and divisions altogether. Because now the topic is The Intercept’s dishonest rather than the DCCC’s bullshit.
Don’t misunderstand, I think that this is the defining characteristic of our present political situation worldwide. People of all political stripes are stuck in narratives, and fit facts around them. It’s getting really tiring because I’m seeing it not only in policy disputes, but in geopolitical events from people who normally have nuanced views. Whatever this period of disinformation and narrative is, I hope it ends, but fear it’s just beginning.
You do remember this isn’t the first time The Intercept has published a piece about the DCCC and their being hacks. There was the story about the guy in the Philadelphia suburbs too. And Howie Klein, over at DownWithTyranny, has been writing for ages about how the DCCC sucks and prefers corporate stooges. Is Howie a Putin tool now too?
Who the fuck is even talking about Putin? Did I use the absurd rhetoric of “The Intercept” = “the Russians”? No, I did not. That was another narrative you set up, but without any facts to support it.
I don’t even like to say “The Intercept” because a lot of their writers are good. Lee Fang used to be one of them, but something broke his brain a few years back.
Phil let’s just stop right here because if there’s been a bad faith actor from the left that embodies the centrist brigade’s charactertures, it’s been you and your rantings over the years.
Bad faith actor? I’m not the one that is fucking up elections in Boo’s congressional district. I’m not the one giving Democrats in Washington a free pass for their corruption/incompetence/being out of touch. The people stanning for the status quo Democrats in DC are supporting stuff like this:
and:
I want more and better Democrats. Not dipshits who say great things about people who are enemies of what the Democratic Party should stand for. If that makes me a bad faith actor I don’t know what to tell you.
And as follow up to what I just posted, this just came across Twitter:
You write:
If being “king of the hill” meant presenting progressive candidates? Candidates who…whether winning orlosing…brought real progressive messages to the attention of undecided voters?
Yeah.
Let’s play that king of the hill game.
No holds barred.
AG
It would help if they weren’t actually doing that half the time. I concede that their main goal is getting people to win that they think will win the election. But too often that functionally means fucking over the progressives. Even that I could live with if I had any evidence that the DCCC knew one damn thing about winning elections. It doesn’t. All the work was done in 2006 by the netroots and anti-bush fervor. All the work was done in 2008 by Pro-Obama fervor. They failed in 2010, Obama carried them in 2012, failed in 2014, failed in 2016.
At some point the DCCC needs to step back because they have no idea what the fuck they are doing.
Morgan Carroll ran against Coffman in the last election and lost. She is very progressive. She was a strong Bernie supporter and had support from DFA. No idea if DCCC helped her or not. She is now head of the Colorado Democratic Party and doing a bang up job or reorganizing it, reaching out to groups of voters who’ve never received attention befor, etc.
However, she isn’t the only promising candidate to have lost to Coffman. Several others have as well. I don’t understand why. This district has a lot of immigrants from Ethiopia, Vietnam, etc. Also quite a few Hispanics. Quite a bit of poverty. Perhaps they aren’t voting. Or aren’t able to vote.
You write:
A lot of immigrants from Ethiopia, Vietnam, etc.? Also quite a few Hispanics? Quite a bit of poverty? Perhaps they aren’t voting? Or aren’t able to vote?
Ya think!!!???
There is no “perhaps” here, given the “not voting/unable to vote” idea combined with not being asked to vote or effectively organized by the DC-controlled Democratic Party.
Sigh…
I really get tired of trying to bring this up, but the both the Republican and Democratic party’s leaderships are still stuck somewhere in the ’50s/early’60s “white-middle-and-working-class-rules-the-electoral-scene” mindset that was in pace when and where they grew up. On the contrary, we are rapidly heading towards…if we have not already arrived at…a “brown” majority in this country.
The first party that:
A-Truly recognizes this fact at the top of their bureaucratic food chain
and
B-Manages to reach out to that burgeoning majority without totally alienating the “old” majority
Will win national elections across the board.
Until then?
Same same.
Groundhog Day.
Over and over and over and over again.
The only change?
The two centrist parties change places every few election cycles. One party wins and promises to “change” things. When they fail, the other party wins and runs the same game. Like I said—over and over and over and over again. The names change at the top but the Permanent War machine continues apace.
So it goes.
AG
Now an (expanded) standalone
The Democratic Party-Groundhog Day, Over and Over and Over and Over Again.
Please comment there if you wish to do so.
Thank you…
AG
What Steny Hoyer told him is that the DCCC picks winners in primaries all the time because they don’t want to run into the problem the Republicans have faced repeatedly where badly flawed candidates win the nomination and then blow easy chances to pick up seats.
Except you know this is false just from your very own Congressional district, Boo. Should we talk, again, about Steve Parrish? How about Patrick Murphy(the Florida one, not the PA one).
And look where the Republicans are now? In total fucking control. SO MAYBE THEIR METHOD IS BETTER YOU FUCKING ANCIENT PILE OF SHIT.
Fuck you Steny Hoyer, I can’t wait until you curl up and die.
The Right has more money and foundational support than us. Childish lefties like MNP and too many on the Internet Left live in a fantasy world where the Democratic Party and candidates have an infinite amount of time, money, and resources. In their construct of reality, there will be a spirited debate on progressive and liberal ideas, and once that concludes, there will be no hurt feelings. Then the Left will unify and unite to defeat the Republican candidate. It just doesn’t work like that in this country or in the real world.
Organizations like The Intercept and Jacobin will do everything in their power to keep the primary fights going until November and later. More MSM outfits like Salon and Slate will scrounge up H.A. Goodman types to disparage the eventual direction of the party and candidates. Thousands of MNP’s will criticize every outrage of the day or 2 min hate they get in their feeds. A potential blue wave of 10 pts. will be managed down to 5-6 pts. If the House is taken it is barely instead of decisively. The Dems probably lose 1-3 Senate seats. The usual suspects blame everyone but themselves for being useful idiots.
Glen Greenwald supported Bill Halter in 2010 against Lincoln for her reelection bid for the US Senate in Arkansas. Now Lincoln was going to lose the GE no matter what happened. However, why did GG blow over $1m dollars on a candidate that was not much different than Lincoln? There have to be about a million better ways to spend that money in terms of building a better Progressive bench. Unfortunately, Mr. Conscious of America by way of Rio wasted good money on backing a candidate that was mildly better than the incumbent, in a race that was lost once Obama took office.
I probably am not that different than MNP in terms of a low opinion of someone like Hoyer or even Lincoln. I wish he would retire, but he does have some institutional experience and is not completely worthless. However, I am not going to lose my shit for the umpteenth time when someone like him explains politics to an entitled heir to the Lantos mantle. Do people realize he would not have even gotten the courtesy meeting if he was not a legacy?
I admit, I do value institutional experience rather low. For one thing, so much of it is norms that in the end don’t really have any consequences for violation. McConnell stopping the SCOTUS switch, Trump himself. For another our institutions need to change to be able to deal with reality. I say that not only in the general sense, but specific to America. Most democracies do reform on a much larger scale much more often than we do. France for instance is on its 5th Republic.
And here is where we will always differ. I don’t need anyone to explain politics to me. I know how it works, but it shouldn’t work like that and by god I am going to fight to change it because it doesn’t have to work like that. Politics can be more fair. What can I say? Fairness and harm are my moral foundations. Hiding under the mantle of “that’s the way it is” is too often just a way to avoid the hard work of making things better.
“Most democracies do reform on a much larger scale much more often than we do. France for instance is on its 5th Republic.”
Right and the 3rd was formed after the collapse of the previous government due to the Prussians capturing Paris, and the 4th was formed only after they got the most recent Germans out of the country. Are you arguing that we should have more Teutonic invasions so we can finally reconvene a Constitutional Convention?
You are like a lefty Rush Limbaugh, telling us the way things ought to be. However, you don’t have hundreds of radio stations to persuade your fellow Americans, so I don’t see you being able to transform your idea of how politics should work into a functional solution.
The hard work should have been done decades ago. We are in triage mode now, and I don’t think enough on the left get that we are just going to repeat the same mistakes that we did in 2006-2008 at the current rate of rolling out fairly old ideas that still don’t have enough of the kinks worked out. Don’t get me wrong, I think guaranteed work, single payer, and free college are doable and should be promoted. I am just flabbergasted they are about as poorly thought out as the ACA was in 2008-2009. My concern is what happens to our voters that don’t realize that passing these programs will take massive numbers of Democrats in the House and Senate. We don’t play the long game in terms of interest or messaging, and it ends up killing us after the anger phase winds down. We used to be able to fix programs like SS, Medicare, and Medicaid, but the way the Republican Party works now that is no longer an option. In addition, we can’t hold a majority in either chamber for more than a cycle or two anymore.
…and what really pisses me off is that seemingly all the Democrats vouch for their bipartisan bonafides no matter how many times people like McConnell or Ryan cut of their genitalia, be it Obama or B. Sanders fluffing McCain or H. Clinton trotting out Kissinger. The current Republican Party can no longer be trusted. Therefore, they have forfeited the right to be treated as partners in governing, they must be destroyed. I think FDR, Truman, and LBJ would have gotten that basic concept, and they have been dead for at least 4 decades.
Last thing, why did all the Obama flunkies vouch for Dr. Ronny Jackson when he presented his laughable physical exam of Donald Trump? I remember Josh Earnest, David Axelrod, and others vouching for Jackson’s professionalism and honor. They didn’t have a fucking idea about the guy. How much interaction could they have had with him, and how would they know the intricacies of his work product and environment? I knew it at the time, but they do this shit all the time. Yet, they couldn’t vouch for Lois Lerner, Susan Rice, Shirley Sherrod, nor General Eric Shinseki when they were under fire.
I don’t think Maxine Waters would have a chance in a GE, but sometimes I fantasize she would run, win the Dem primary, and tell the country that the Republicans should go f’ themselves. She is still too nice to the media for my taste.
How was the ACA “poorly thought out”? It was the Dem plan for health care after years of white papering and organizing majorities to push it through. I mean, I agree it was poorly thought out in the sense of giving Republicans any say in how it worked and allowing states to operate the plans. That was obvious to me even when I was an average partisan. But even then I had no idea how craven they’d be to the point of taking court challenges on absurd ideas and typos, and refusing to fix language for partisan gain; I was in my early 20’s so call it an educating process.
This is the complaint the far right has with the GOP: “they” never “do” anything with their majorities except pass tax cuts. They (the far right) in many ways admire Pelosi and Dems “ruthlessness” for passing their agenda knowing they’re going to lose their majorities. Now from many points of view this is an insane view of the terrain, and definitely blinkered. I certainly think they’re pushing their agenda through, particularly judges. But I also think there’s a point in there that the GOP campaigns on stuff but then doesn’t have the stones to make it reality, whereas Dems generally do what they said they would do.
Basically, the same thing in terms of conceding too much power to the Republicans and not understanding how they would jam up the works in the states and in the courts. In addition, it was too much like the Romneycare plan for my taste, but even allowing for that objection, they didn’t fix some of the obvious shortcomings that were already apparent in Massachusetts. Lastly, I felt very uncomfortable codifying into law being forced to buy something from a private entity with no choice to buy directly from the government, the only option being to pay a penalty. I feel like that has set up a dangerous precedent with a Supreme Court made up almost entirely of corporatists
Obama did a decent job in buying off the AMA, Big Pharma, and the insurance industry. In a perfect world of MNPundit, we wouldn’t have to do those sort of inefficient things, but if we don’t, then there is no expansion of coverage unfortunately. At the time, I would have been one of those people that were polled that were against ACA, because of my misgivings about it. Now I would support it if polled, because for all of its faults, it has been progress towards universal coverage and healthcare as a right.
Hillarycare was warmed over Nixoncare, Obamacare was a rehash of Romneycare. Since the late 1940s, we have gotten a bite at the apple once every decade or two. I find it infuriating that the left has not be able come up with their own plan or at least better thought out Republican or Conservative ones. It seems like the Democrats are under the illusion that if they adopt what the Republicans at one point advocated, then they will get some Republican support. It never pans out that way, because the Dems don’t seem to understand that sometimes the plan is only put out as a paper alternative with no intention of ever passing it. Also, the Republicans realize that opposing the Democrats doing anything is in their best interests with the voters.
Improving and increasing healthcare is very difficult. There are so many variables and finding a sweet spot with voters in terms of cost and comfort is much harder than many on the Left are willing to admit. Trying to decipher between different ideas like Medicare for all, VA for all, single payer, universal healthcare, and other plans in 1-2 years before an election seems like a recipe for perpetual failure and disillusionment due to the fact that no proposal will get overwhelming support even in a Democratic Primary.
It’s arguable that that last part is a feature, not a bug. When it comes to healthcare reform any stronger than warmed-over Gooper plans, the Dems don’t do it because they simply don’t want to.
Organizations like The Intercept and Jacobin will do everything in their power to keep the primary fights going until November and later.
LOL!! You don’t pay attention to Twitter, do you?
Whose method is better? Not the Democrats. And that’s what I’m talking about.
Eh. This is what the DCCC does, and also what the Intercept does. The big difference, to me, is that I’ve given one of those organizations money, and I hold (or held) one of them to a fairly high standard, as a representative of my party and my politics.
That said, this is the first article I get when I search for Jason Crow. https:/www.denverpost.com/2017/04/11/denver-attorney-jason-crow-challenging-mike-coffman
He’s a handsome man, and a military vet. Maybe the other guy is just as concerned with ‘breaking through the divisive partisanship,’ I dunno. At least this guy is a vet, so he’ll get all those Kerry Republicans.
That alone makes me want to vote for someone else. To often people who say that mean it, and that just results in failure and delay.
How shocking. It’s like 2016 never happened.
Oh, 2016 happened.
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Damn right. But it’s always easier to heap blame on anyone but yourself isn’t it?
You two deserve each other. Perfect examples of why the left can never get its shit together.
Personal anecdote;
I am a prominent volunteer in a local division of a not for profit. I got an email question from an individual whom has not always been honest in our past interactions. Still I replied via email, but I knew what was coming, so I was careful. Without my permission, within 5 minutes of me hitting `send’, my email was posted verbatim on Facebook. Because our not for profit is also a national organization, people from all over the country, including the National Office, could read it.
He’s dead to me. There will never be a private conversation without a witness present. I will never exchange emails with him, I will never accept a phone call.
It’s a minor anecdote, but it has the same subject…which is….how much consideration do self entitled pricks deserve? Not much.
I will make a guess here…it is likely that, in past interactions with the DCCC, Tilleman showed himself to be selfish, entitled, and untrustworthy, leading the DCCC to prefer someone who showed themselves to be generous and trustworthy.
Then Tilleman immediately leaked a recorded conversation to the Russians, with the obvious intent to damage Democratic chances in the mid terms. Which showed, not that the DCCC was corrupt, but that Tilleman was indeed selfish, entitled, and untrustworthy.
Seems to me the DCCC made the correct decision, both in not being honest, and in picking Crow over Tilleman.
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It is rather interesting that Tillerman’s own actions aren’t part of the discussion. I’d think outing party business to a media agency know for their hostility toward your proclaimed party isn’t exactly a sign of acting in good faith.
Anyway, there is a real discussion to be had here among serious adults, BUT we need to be aware that there are dark money funded barges sitting off shore in the night frantically building “Dimocrat’s are Evil TOOO!!!!!!” breakers in hopes of damping any Blue Wave to keep our government divided and infighting.
Also, reviewing the provided material I’m not clear how Crow is centrist betrayer-in-waiting and Tillerman is some True Progressive Savior. Crow may not be for Medicare for All so he won’t propose/sponsor a bill…but he may well vote for it should it come before the House.
More like someone’s pissed they are being denied their birth right.
Yes, I agree with every word.
It seems there are plenty of people who simply cannot accept that just because a particular individual agrees with you on policies, that does not at all mean they are trustworthy or have ethical standards.
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I’m betting the Intercept’s truncated version does not fairly represent the conversation.
I agree Tillerman’s actions make the DCCC’s choice of Crow look like good judgement. At the very least, sending a recorded private conversation to the Intercept indicate bad judgement like Reality Winner’s.
LOL!! You know that both DC and Colorado are one party states, right? Meaning Tilleman was well within his rights to record the conversation. It’s very hilarious that you take the DCCC’s side in this. Why? The Democrats have spent 4 out of the last 25 years in the majority. Given that “centrists” have been in control of the party, and the DCCC, the whole time why do you except perpetual losing?
Yes, the expansion of Medicaid eligibility to over 10 million additional Americans was a very “centrist” use of the Democratic Party majority in 2010. The Republican and Democratic Parties have shown themselves to be exactly the same in their legislative and judicial actions regarding Medicaid.
Right?
Tilleman’s acts of recording his conversation with Hoyer and sharing the recording with a national media outlet were unethical. If we want a more ethical Democratic Party, it’s peculiar to lend such a blanket defense for unethical behavior.
The Intercept entered into its own unethical behavior by editing out what they surely consider the portions of the audio which reflect best on Hoyer and the DCCC and reflect worst on Tilleman and his campaign. Full transparency, which Glenn Greenwald and his acolytes pretend to support, would have been served by a full posting of the entire recording.
But what do we expect of a media organization which studiously avoided publishing the portions of the stolen DNC and Podesta emails which showed the Party and the Clinton campaign exhibiting strong ethics and supporting solidly progressive policies? Those behaviors were displayed in the stolen emails, but WikiLeaks, The Intercept, and the Trump campaign did not publicize them.
Greenwald and his crew are pro-Trump propagandists at this point. In no real way do they want to improve the Democratic Party. They’re just trying to hammer wedge after wedge into the progressive movement, and if using stolen and unethically acquired information in ways which lack transparency helps them do so, they’re showing themselves to be fine with that, over and over again.
I read the piece by The Intercept before I came across BooMan’s post here. Among the things I was struck by was the claim by Tilleman and others that the DCCC is engaging in behavior which denies Democratic Party primary voters a choice. This comes off poorly to me.
Tilleman is using his recording of Hoyer as a campaign tool. For some voters, this free media and what Tilleman does with it in his paid media campaign will persuade voters to make the choice to vote for him. He’ll be on the ballot. Democratic Party primary voters will have the opportunity to choose Tilleman as the Party’s candidate in the general election.
If the claim is that Crow’s fundraising advantage takes away a real choice, well, goodness gracious, that is a strong reason for primary voters to avoid voting for Tilleman. The Republican who wins this Congressional District primary will have much more campaign money than Crow. If Tilleman can’t overcome a fundraising disadvantage in the June election, he stands less chance of overcoming the larger fundraising disadvantage he would face in November.
Disagree with Steny (and, seemingly, yourself) that
As I see it, the Dem party infrastructure’s (DCCC, SCCC, DNC, all the way down to county committees or even more local if that exists) job is indeed that, including cultivating a candidate pool, recruiting promising individuals to run at all levels, training them to run effective campaigns, providing fundraising, GOTV targeting, voter databases, messaging expertise (but do Dems have that? sometimes I wonder), etc., etc., etc.
But, contra Steny, this job does not extend to inserting themselves into primaries, putting thumbs on scales to pick favorites. That’s the Dem electorate’s job. (Obviously meaning some of those functions listed above don’t become legitimate until the voters have picked who should represent them in a primary.)
So identifying, encouraging, cultivating, recruiting, training potential candidates — all good, everywhere, all the time. That would be the DCCC et al. legitimately “doing their job of trying to build a team of candidates that can win a majority.”
Interfering in primaries on behalf of some Anointed One? No. Not acceptable. (Not that me being unwilling to accept it’s going to change anything. They’ll still do it. Probably close to irresistible once you’ve invested in the recruitment, training, etc. But that just identifies the need for very robust internal controls to prevent such favoritism until the primary’s been decided. Controls which I feel pretty sure don’t currently exist.)
Really?
What if a member of the alt right puts a `D’ next to their name, just to split the D vote?
Or if that is too obvious, what if a person who has never been a democrat, never raised money for the democrats, and opposes gun control, tacks that D next to their name, and then admits they tacked the D because they need to raise money, and being a D makes that more profitable? And then runs against a life long democrat, that has raised millions for the democrats?
`Never’ is a long time.
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. . . hypothetical D-poser might rarely actually pull off a primary win.
What does that say about the D-party infrastructure’s competence at the job boo and I (and presumably you?) agree is theirs? I.e., that their chosen one could not communicate well enough (or was otherwise somehow too flawed) to fend off such a bogus challenge without primary interference by the party infrastructure. (One benefit of primaries is that they do test the mettle of the candidate who eventually emerges as the party’s nominee.)
Of course, your hypothetical, in positing that the D-poser “has never been a democrat, never raised money for the democrats, and opposes gun control, tacks that D next to their name, and then admits they tacked the D because they need to raise money, and being a D makes that more profitable” is so extreme (i.e., a not-Dem/never-before-Dem posing as a Dem) that I might allow for an exception (that arguably wouldn’t really be an exception). “Never say never”, besides being paradoxical, is generally sound advice.
(While re-reading this, an embellishment that would have strengthened the argument of your hypothetical occurred to me; one for the fucked-up post-Citizens-United era: a rightwing dark-money group in cahoots [though not, of course, openly] with your D-poser weighs in massively with big bucks on D-poser’s behalf, including attack ads against legit-D. This, alas, isn’t remotely far-fetched. Combined with D-poser not actually being a D, that probably would be enough to tip my opposition to allowing for a rare exception. But of course the root cause needing addressing here is overturning Citizens United/corporate personhood/money=speech to reverse that now-endemic corruption.)
But still, as noted, unless the party infrastructure failed at its job of identifying, recruiting, and prepping the candidate on whose behalf they would be tempted to interfere, it’s hard to see why any such interference would even be needed, especially given the extremity of your hypothetical.
I think over the long-haul, far more is risked by such interference (e.g., outraged Dem primary voters who perceive their[/our! — been there, done that] choices being usurped by an elite with no right to do so) than by what I think would be quite rare cases such as your hypothetical, should your D-poser win against all odds.
Ultimately, it boils down to whether you actually believe in D/democratic principles (should be up to voters who represents us) or not.
I believe in them like Churchill did.
Nalbar’s comments can be reduced to “I hate Bernie” and be left there. It’s similar dishonest hackery, but from the other direction. Meanwhile, candidates are stampeding over themselves to run on policies considered “pie in the sky” literally 2 years ago.
Well his drawn up “theoretical candidate” is a Bernie Sanders shadow charactersture, focusing on one issue of which said candidate has at best a mixed record to extrapolate to everything else.
. . . for his hypothetical poser-D candidate was a Bernie caricature — I can’t know the answer to that (and btw, neither can you).
But if it was, it fails on Bernie’s longstanding caucusing with Dems and Dem committee (including Ranking Member and Chair) assignments throughout the entirety of his Congressional career. Functionally, he’s been a Dem since 1990. Which contrasts starkly with nalbar’s hypothetical:
Is Bernie a registered Dem? No. He can’t be! (It’s Vermont!)
I do.
AG
. . . pretty much anything, obviously. So who cares?
Actually, on second thought, maybe I do. You see, I happen to have come into possession (can’t say how!) of the deed to a certain bridge over a certain river flowing through NYC. I can give you a great price. You and I should talk!
I am about to drive over that bridge today. SO beautiful!!!
Owned by thieves and hustlers, as is almost everything else in his world.
I don’t buy it.
Why?
Because I am neither thief nor hustler.
Amen.
AG
Do you remember Alvin Greene? Or the truck driver from Mississippi that ran against DeMint’s replacement(I think) a few years ago? Granted both were Senate races but the same thing applies. The DSCC and DCCC don’t know any better than you do how to win a race for House/Senate.
Hoyer may or may not be a dick and/or shortsighted, but I don’t want a candidate who goes around recording conversations and then collaborating with third parties to create hit pieces. That is not how a professional adult handles issues. Get that guy out of here. And the Intercept, well, is trash too.
. . . beating him in a clean primary. That’s how it’s supposed to work. If booman’s description is accurate, that shouldn’t have been a problem.
In fact, there’s every reason to think the DCCC’s interference here was counterproductive to its intent, i.e., it backfired, reduced their Chosen One’s chances in the primary and/or the general. Yet another reason for the party apparatus to stay neutral until primary voters have made their choice who should represent them.
“The way The Intercept portrays this race and its candidates is deeply misleading and dishonest.”
Of course it is. They are just walking in the footsteps in Pulitzer, Marat, and other luminaries of journalism.
I believe the simple solution going forward is for the DCCC to just be honest up front. If they have a preference for a candidate, that’s okay, however (a) don’t show “preference” by tearing down others in the primary, and (b) be honest at the outset about the preference for a particular candidate.
What the DCCC did in lying, and what Tilleman did by recording the discussion with Hoyer and turning it over to be misused against the party, is bad. Both actions hurt the dems as a whole when they need to be more united than they’ve ever been going into 2018 elections.
Leadership needs to lead and not wimp out on the truth by lying. Did they not learn from 2016?
Quite obviously…no, they did not.
Bureaucracies learn very slowly. The people that comprise them are in place, and they mean to either stay in place or rise in the system. Rocking a bureaucracy’s boat…even a little…discomfits most of the members of that bureaucracy, especially those in higher positions. Thus the bog-slow evolution of big time political parties.
So it goes.
Except…in times of real danger this kind of slow evolution needs to somehow be speeded up. The whole of he U.S. is now in danger, and neither the Democratic nor the Republican machines seem to be able to change fast enough to keep up. The success of Trump’s…and whomever was helping him…essentially “guerrilla” campaigns in the primaries and general elections perfectly illustrate this idea.
What to do about this situation?
I don’t really know, but I do know the following. Passive acceptance of DNC/DCCC etc. meddling…for whatever reasons the meddling is happening…should be resisted publicly, loudly and often by those of us who want real change. Otherwise, 2018 and 2020 are just going to be 2016 all over again.
AG
A House member does one thing: Show up on day one and vote for Speaker. After that, they can spend their days reading the comics for all it matters.
If in January 2019 there are more House members with a D after their name than an R, then the crimes of this administration will be investigated by committees with subpoena power. If there are more R’s, then our democracy is over.
Connor Lamb won’t. He said that very clearly.
I don’t think it had a lot to do with his victory but that’s his widely known position.
If in January 2019 there are more House members with a D after their name than an R, then the crimes of this administration will be investigated by committees with subpoena power.
You don’t remember the last two years of the C- Augustus administration, do you?
The only duty and responsibility party leaders have is to promoting the leading role of the party, and furthering its work as the vanguard of the revolution.
Correctly-oriented party cadres know this.
Living, as I do, smack dab in the middle of the 6th District, this piece has a certain piquancy for me.
I don’t know either candidate, though I have been aware of Crow. But even with redistricting, it is not a Democratic bastion. Prior to redistricting, this was Tom Tancredo’s district, which really ought to tell you something. And while there are Democratic towns here, there are also towns like Centennial and Highlands Ranch, which are all but deed restricted to Republicans only. Buckley Air Force Base is a couple of miles from me, and much of Aurora consists of single family homes that were originally built for servicemen at Lowry, Fitzsimons Army Medical Hospital, and people stationed at the aforementioned Buckley. (F-16s scream overhead a couple of times a week here.)
Current congresscritter Mike Coffman is ex-Army and ex-Marines. Crow has a chance for sure, because redistricting in 2010 did alter the demographics and, well, parts of Adams County are also in the district. But the southern portion of Arapahoe County is heavily Republican. And they vote.
Military still counts for a lot here, and Tillemann stands about as much chance as Eugene V. Debs of getting elected, and Debs is dead. So, should the DCCC have lied? Of course not. But I find this mania for surreptitious recording to be wildly dangerous, and blatantly unethical. Which of course is the M.O. of The Intercept, where dishonesty seems rife. So fuck ’em. I want a Democrat to win this time, not the leftie equivalent of David Bossie.
(Cross-posted at Washington Monthly.)
But I find this mania for surreptitious recording to be wildly dangerous, and blatantly unethical.
Given you live in Colorado, you must know that CO is a one party state. Which means Tillemann had legal rights to record the conversation. Also, too, why do you hate accountability? Why are you giving Hoyer a free pass? Democrats have spent almost the last 8 years in the minority. Obviously what Hoyer is doing isn’t working.