The Washington Post keeps a running tally of the president’s lies although they haven’t been all that thorough. For example, checking every statement of “material fact” he makes at a rally is something new for them.
We’re doing something new: analyzing every factual claim from President Trump’s campaign rally in Montana on Thursday.
According to The Fact Checker’s database, the president had made 3,251 false or misleading claims at the end of May, and his average daily rate was climbing.
This side of Trump really comes alive during campaign rallies, so we wanted to do the math and find out whether the president speaks more fictions or facts in front of his crowds.
We focused only on Trump’s statements of material fact at the Montana rally, avoiding trivialities and opinions. We didn’t double-count statements when the president repeated himself.
According to our analysis, the truth took a beating in Montana. From a grand total of 98 factual statements we identified, 76 percent were false, misleading or unsupported by evidence.
Here’s a breakdown: 45 false or mostly false statements, 25 misleading statements and four unsupported claims. We also counted 24 accurate or mostly accurate statements. False or mostly false statements alone accounted for 46 percent of all claims.
No doubt the president would respond that the fact checkers at the Washington Post are biased purveyors of “fake news.” But that’s another lie. It’s actually a relatively simple thing to check whether an ostensibly true statement has any basis in fact, whether it’s partially true but highly misleading, or it’s largely supportable by the available record and other evidence. This could be as simple as verifying which party controlled Congress in 1998 or as complicated as checking the average annual size of the trade deficit we’re running with the European Union. To give but one example from Trump’s Montana rally, he claimed that he carried the state by forty-four points but a simple Google search will verify that he won 55.6% to 35.4%, or with a 20.2% advantage. That’s less than half the margin he claimed for himself. There’s really no need to tell a lie like that but Trump lies even when the truth would suit him better. With him, deceit is habitual and self-aggrandizement is a compulsion.
The bigfoot corporate media takes a lot of abuse for how they cover Trump, particularly the wall-to-wall coverage they tend to give to his rallies. The fact that he uses this exposure to deceive and gaslight the public is the primary reason why people object to this. The solution is not to simply ignore what the president of the United States is saying. Everything the president says or does is news and must be reported. But, everything a president says also needs to be fact-checked.
With this president, whose every utterance has no better than a fifty percent chance of being true, it’s imperative that he be fact-checked in real time. If that’s not possible, then his speeches and rallies should not be aired in real time. They should be recorded and fact-checked. And if it’s felt necessary to air his statements on television at all, every misleading statement should be flagged and viewers should be provided a link where they can go to satisfy themselves as to the accuracy of his assertions.
That’s how you can responsibly educate the public without aiding and abetting the president’s efforts to deceive.
. . . it can be accompanied by un-ignorably large, onscreen crawlers/chyrons stating “THIS IS FALSE”, “NO EVIDENCE SUPPORTS THIS CLAIM”, “THIS HAS ELEMENTS OF TRUTH, BUT IS HIGHLY MISLEADING”, etc., as appropriate, simultaneously with Trump speaking the lies. Or for audio-only media, e.g., NPR, the spoken lies intercut with the necessary fact-check refutations during editing, pre-broadcast.
It really is the only way an incessant liar like Trump could ever be responsibly, ethically covered by he media.
. . . [t]he media”, of course.
Unless Trump is really called out in real time consistently, what good does this do?
Sorry to be negative Nellie, but unless the M$M is willing to totally call him a liar ALL the time, this information is useless. Ok to collect it, I guess, but for what purpose, I’m not sure.
Trump’s rabid fans will cling to him with super glue because they LOVE being Nazis.
That’s the long and short of it. No amount of proving that Trump is lying constantly matters to them. They shout, clap and cheer at his very weird word salad that makes no sense (aka the stuff about organs in the MT rally??? WTF??). But then again, these same people LOVED the Tundra Trash’s world salad, as well. So no surprises there.
It’s been clear for a while now that the PTB are manipulating a LOT of stuff behind the scenes. Trump gets his “way” some of the time, but the PTB LOVE to have him running around making a complete ASS of himself.
Wonderful distraction. It’s a two-fer. They can plunder, pillage, rob and steal the nation blind, whilst also pitting the 99% against one another.
CHA CHING!!!!!!
O/T
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/396273-trump-pardons-oregon-ranchers-at-center-of-40-day-
standoff
Figures.
Wait for more of the same.
It will never happen, but wouldn’t it be great if a major network evening news outfit would post a daily tally of Trump’s lies? It could be like a tote board, where when he reaches a certain number, the Republicans have to relinquish a House seat. I think that would be awesome!
Seriously, literally everything Obama said was analyzed and scrutinized and shat upon by Republicans and their bloggers. It wouldn’t make a difference to post his lie tally on sites like MSNBC because it would be preaching to the choir. I’d like to see it on ABC, NBC, and CBS, though.
Judging by Booman’s article, it would be much simpler to do a list of when he tells the truth.
I will fall back on my most frequent comment,
The reality is much, much worse than what the public, or newspapers, see.
What until next week, when he lies and lies to our allies.
And even then, the reality will be much much worse.
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We’ve been here before.
The bigfoot media didn’t start honestly reporting on how contrived, controlled, and staged President Bush’s rallies were until late 2005. While a lot of other factors were in play at the time, it definitely helped end Bush’s credibly beyond the Republican dead-ender base.
So, maybe also fact checking the rallies is in order. The media did it a little bit in 2016 to embarrassing results for the President (homogenous crowds, sparse attendance, boredom, early leaving, etc.) but seemed to have gotten called off continuing it by their editors.
The charge against “democracy” in the ancient world was that it would result in demagogues, unqualified unvirtuous conmen/orators who would inflame the masses through abject lies. The Founders of the American constitution thought a free press would counter this objection.
Given limited access to the information “marketplace” and judicial support for the rights of the press, this system (sort of) worked. The people were presented with a common knowledge base of current events, which allowed them to have shared base of political values. This system did not seem to serve plutocrat and “conservative” interests very well, certainly not in the Golden Age of American democracy (1960-1980). And of course the reactionary charge against FDR was that HE was a demagogue. (One can see that our “demagogues” have definitely declined in quality, haha.)
For a variety of reasons, all traceable to the Conservative Era (1980-present), the Founders’ theory that the “marketplace of ideas” could work to reveal lies and advance truth in our politics has been destroyed. Obviously one can now find hundreds of sewage pits blatting (conservative) lies as “news” 24/7, all claiming that any information that does not advance “conservative” interests is false. Der Trumper has taken this perversion to the final level with the “fake news” label, a term which ironically was coined in opposition to him. But an enormous slice of the failed American electorate no longer cares if their leader(s) lies repeatedly—remember that the entire Repub party is now built on palpable lies. Indeed, it appears that the better the liar, the more impressed they are with him as a leader. “Winners” lie.
The American “conservative” movement set out intentionally to destroy the foundation of the Founder’s republic: an informed electorate, that was not simply informed but could be made to CARE about the truth and have disgust for a (political) liar. Der Trumper is nothing but a demagogue, a who conman lies endlessly about simply everything. He lies when there is no point to the lie, lying for the sake of lying. His lies were demonstrated. And The 46% did not care.
It’s wonderful that the WP editors are doing this. Bravo. It should matter. The Founders certainly thought it would. If it doesn’t, than a radical reordering of our thoughts is necessary, as Spock would say….
It’s a good idea. Every little bit helps and it doesn’t matter where it appears, MSNBC, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS… But it has to be supported; for example, the lie about winning Montana by 44 points can be exposed easily by linking to a valid state gov site that published the actual totals. But anything that can be produced demonstrating the constant con-job lies can find its way to social media as well which is needed to battle the right wing noise machine.
The 46% will never change their minds, which they have given over to the control of their master (Drumpf). It is the Independents and the never-trump republicans who haven’t drunk the cool-aid that need to be continuously reinforced with the truth.