I started this post as a reply to esquimaux in my recent post (http://www.boomantribune.com/?op=displaystory;sid=2018/7/27/132017/974) Karma Knows ALL Secrets. And…It ALWAYS Collects Its Debts. Eventually. It grew, so here it is as a standalone.
Esquimaux wrote:
I can’t take the pro-Russia “left” like counterpunch and consortium news and MOA and some of the Intercept writers like Greenwald.
My answer follows.
Read on.
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Being anti-RussiaGate is not necessarily the same as being “pro-Russia,” esquimaux. For example, I am not “pro-Russia.” Why? Because I’ve been there and smelled that. I feel sorry for the people of Russia. They’ve been had too, only by a steel-fisted oligarch/spy/dictator. The difference between here and there that I saw a few years ago was as follows:
They…masses of them…know that they’ve been had, and they also know that they can’t do a goddamned thing about it. Plus…if something did happen to derail the oligarchy in charge, the utter economic devastation that followed the fall of the U.S.S.R. is still fresh in people’s minds. They’re pretty much stuck with what they’ve got.
In the U.S.? It’s different. The mainstream U.S. propaganda machine (Also known as “The Governmental Media Complex”) is so much more sophisticated than is Russia’s. It is almost invisible to most Americans, and thus much more effective. Only a small percentage of us consciously reject it. The rest? It’s just one big laughfest/hatefest. Silly news about cute litle kitty kats and and temporary superstars, interspersed with various imprecations hurled at whatever target is assigned to any given organ of that complex.
Hate Republicans!!!
Hate Democrats!!!
Hate minorities!!!
Hate those who do hate minorities!!!
Hate Russia!!!
Hate the people who do not hate Russia!!!
Hate the police!!!
Hate the people who do hate the police!!!
And so on…
Meanwhile:
But above all, do not hate corporate America!!!
They’re the good guys.
Buy buy buy buy buy buy buy!!!
The result?
Clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp.
The March of the Capitalist Zombies.
Bush II post-9/11 (https:/www.c-span.org/video?c4552776/bush-shopping-quote):
The American people…have got tuh [smarmy expression.]…go about their business.
[smarmy expression #2, #3, etc..] …[not get] to the point…where people don’t conduct business…where people don’t shop!
Post-the Blood For Oil Iraq War (https://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/20/washington/20text-bush.html) :
…and I encourage you to go shopping more.
So it goes…
Later…
AG
P.S. Regarding your Counterpunch opinion, read this vicious 2014 putdown of Putin from its primary editor, Jeffrey St. Claire (Google this one if you are curious-the site won’t even take a typed-out URL for it. “Sucuri” indeed!!):
Down the River With Vladimir Putin
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But the consensus of the [Colorado River] guides is clear. The crudest, cheapest and most demeaning patrons are Russian men, led by their President Vladimir Putin.
A couple of years ago Vladimir Putin journeyed to the American Southwest to take his son on an initiation ritual. The boy’s mother is now an American citizen. First stop was a big game ranch in Texas, where Putin and Jr blasted zebras, antelopes and bison. Apparently, Putin, reenacting a scene out of Mailer’s Why Are We In Vietnam, marked his son’s forehead in the blood of one of these hapless creatures.
Then it was on to Moab, Utah, for a raft trip down Cataract Canyon on the Colorado River. The Moab river guide community is still shaking its head from its close encounter with the Russian president and former KGB man. “We get a lot of whacked-out people coming down the river, but Putin really is a dangerous guy, a real mobster,” a guide told me.
“His packs were loaded with guns, vodka and tens of thousands of dollars in cash,” the guide said. “He seemed to be a little on edge. He was a real bully. He was drunk much of the time and bossed people around as if they were his personal slaves. They refused to use the Groover. They pissed and shat wherever they wanted. They fired off their guns. They caught channel catfish and bashed their heads in with rocks.”
Putin and his son were soon bored with the redbrick canyons and Class five rapids. “By the third day, Putin demanded that the guides call in a helicopter to have his party picked up and flown out. Then he got drunk and began to threaten the guides. He started bragging about how many people he had personally killed. More than 40, he said.”The rafts finally exited Cataract and motored across 30 miles of Lake Powell’s flat water to the marina complex at Hite The next step on the Putties’ tour was supposed to be a four-wheeler excursion tearing up the desert in the bizarre Needles District of Canyonlands. But Putin opted for a more traditional form of initiation for his son, straight out of Notes from the Underground. From the Hite marina, he placed a call to Las Vegas.
“Get us some whores,” Putin shouted into his cellphone. “Price is no object.”
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Yup.
That damned Commie Jeffrey St. Claire surely loves him some Putin!!!
And yet…Counterpunch abounds with anti-RussiaGate articles.
Why?
As I said above, being anti-RussiaGate is not necessarily the same thing as being “pro-Russia.”
Or pro-Putin.
It’s just anti-hype!!!
>>being anti-RussiaGate is not necessarily the same thing as being “pro-Russia.”
conceded. But many anti-RussiaGate voices are in fact strongly pro-Russian. The rest are driven by their hatred of Hillary Clinton and the Democratic party. Both groups agree on ignoring the growing mountain of evidence showing that the Russian govt did fuck with our election.
i’m not sure that quote should be read as a “vicious takedown” at all; i smell an intentional portrayal of a clownish Putin, not a serious-minded statesman.
. . . programmed “Sucuri” to refuse your Counterpunchdrunk links. Site takes it just fine.
It’s really irresponsible and unbecoming to blame your failings on someone/-thing else. Perfectly in character for you, though.
Where did I say that “Sucuri” was programmed by Booman not to take Counterpunch URLs?
Nowhere. That’s where.
In point of fact, Sucuri has sometimes refused Booman’s own URLs from this site.
And other times, not.
But only in main posts, not in comments or replies.
So that goes, as well. (Saaaay…did Vonnegut say that, too? Tough shit.)
It is cantankerous, to say the least.
As are you, arguebonita.
Pick, pick, pick.
Were you a middle school teacher before you devoted your life to haranguing people online who don’t pass your various tests?
Maybe…middle school civics?
Sounds like…
Have a nice day.
Pick, pick, picking.
Later…
AG
LOL
Original publication in April 2001 … not 2014!
Excellent take down of Vladimir Putin and the Russian people by the authors. Motivation and what purpose? A fictional story as this didn’t happen! In 2001 Putin had two daughters by his wife Lyudmila Shkrebneva. Before his divorce in 2013, Putin was seen with a young woman as his mistress and it’s alleged they had a son in 2008.
One of Putin’s daughters is married to a Dutchman and they lived in the city of Leiden. Vladimir Putin visited his daughter and went shopping incognito. No fuss of presidential protection.
○ The Man Without a Face by Masha Gessen | The Guardian – March 2012 | Book review by Luke Harding
Over the past 12 years democracy in Russia got squashed. And yet Gessen is an optimist. In her book’s epilogue she describes the sudden snowballing of December’s protests. She is convinced the regime is “doomed” and that “Putin’s bubble will burst”.
○ Spoof video: Putin on trial – by Khodorkovsky
Related reading: article by the late Robert Parry …
○ NYT revamps its false Ukraine narrative
No, for the sake of a united Europe and peace I won’t join the chorus of neocons like John McCain to demonize president Putin and the Russian Federation. OK, he got assassinated, but John F. Kennedy had an open window policy towards the Soviet Union even during a hot period of the Cold War era. A cultural exchange and a strong determination to keep an open dialogue. That all has changed, it’s the Pentagon and US war machine in Europe NATO that determines policy and set out the aggressive expansion to Russia’s border.
The latest article by Jeffrey St. Clair … worthwhile
○ Roaming Charges: Are You Putin Me On?